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I haven't really played with these results before.

How odd that the closest population to the Scythian from Moldova is North Italians. What's that all about? I also got Scythians on an analysis done previously.

That match is still way up there for me.

Duarte and Carlos are getting these Italian hits, and starting with number 20 I get all these Spanish hits. :)

I have to think about it. :)
 
Carlos papers

Analyzing the situation

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I see it consistent with the results of those other papers.
I think I'm going to bet on the observation that Salento has poured.

Perhaps many times they looked like opposites were actually relatives, distant or close but they were.
 
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@Carlos
Roman Republic:
you’re getting double R435.

Obviously they must be Huge, twice the size of the average Roman :grin:

you also get double 474 Iron Age.
I stop here.

maybe deep dives get counted twice.
 
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The matter becomes interesting and perhaps even a little more realistic...

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.999 - R1 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.512 - SZ43 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.298 - SZ36 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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4. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 7.644 - I7424 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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5. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 8.78 - R60 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 8.822 - CL36 - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 9.626 - R107 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.685 - NS3b - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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9. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL121 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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10. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.36 - SZ28 - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.75 - I3313 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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12. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 12.06 - R59 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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13. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 12.26 - NS3c - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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14. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.69 - CL23 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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15. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.75 - SZ32 - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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16. Imperial Rome San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 12.76 - R117 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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17. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 13.01 - BSS31 (Click for more info)
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18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 13.34 - I2515 (Click for more info)
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19. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 13.43 - I12515 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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20. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 13.7 - I2514 (Click for more info)
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21. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 13.74 - R114 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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22. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 13.82 - I3981 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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23. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 13.83 - R835 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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24. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 13.92 - I7425 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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25. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 13.95 - SI-53 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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26. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.2 - scy300 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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27. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.23 - I3575 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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28. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.38 - SI-41 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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29. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 14.45 - scy192 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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30. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 14.62 - LSD021 - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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31. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.65 - scy197b - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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32. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 14.74 - R51 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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33. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.85 - I3582 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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34. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.99 - CL57 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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35. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.3 - OBS137 - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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36. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.35 - I7499 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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37. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1429 AD) ..... 15.54 - R1287 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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38. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 15.54 - I2644 (Click for more info)
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39. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 15.61 - I3585 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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40. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) ..... 15.79 - I3982 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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41. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) ..... 15.81 - SZ19 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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42. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 15.87 - R111 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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43. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 15.9 - R58 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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44. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 16.04 - I3581 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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45. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (860 AD) ..... 16.06 - R1283 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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46. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.08 - I12644 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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47. Imperial Rome Centocelle (282 AD) ..... 16.39 - R47 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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48. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 16.42 - I7498 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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49. Imperial Rome Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 16.48 - R131 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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50. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 16.54 - SZ45 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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51. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 16.54 - R49 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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52. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 16.55 - CL94 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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53. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 16.57 - I4332 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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54. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 16.57 - I5769 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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55. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 16.81 - I3499 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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56. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 17.03 - I4331 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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57. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 17.07 - R836 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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58. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 17.32 - I3576 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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59. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 17.6 - I12514 - [FONT=&quot] (Click for more info)
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60. Ostrogoth Mix (495 AD) ..... 17.68 - AEH_1 - [FONT=&quot] ? (Click for more info)
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Partially changed also the proximity to the ancient reference populations

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Congratulations to all my dear Italian friends, especially @Angela, @Jovialis, @Salento, @ Stuvanè, @Regio X. It seems that the void that existed on the map of Italy has been filled.

Every day, new surprises in the MTA. Good surprises. I am still quite Iberian, but I am very happy to share some ancestry with my Italian friends. Following I post some more of my images related to Italian ancestry. To play with, I put a match with a Frankish-Gaul Lombard (it seems these guys contributed to the collapse of the Roman empire, LOL).

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Greetings my friends :)
 
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My closest match is still with SZ40, a Late Antiquity 590 AD Roman in Pannonia. This makes me even more curious to see Southern Italian Bronze-Age samples included, as well as Italic tribes, like the Samnites.
 
So, based on what we see here, Protovillanovan looks to have arrived by way of the western Balkans, or both Italy and the western Balkans were impacted by the same group, perhaps Hungarian Bronze Age related?

Some Bell Beaker in there as well, perhaps more in the Etruscans?

All of that is still fuzzy to me.

We really, really need Bronze Age samples from northern Italy.

@Salento,
Very strange how they crowd up the maps with duplicates of the same samples.
 
My Archaeogenetic Map of Ancient Rome

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So, based on what we see here, Protovillanovan looks to have arrived by way of the western Balkans, or both Italy and the western Balkans were impacted by the same group, perhaps Hungarian Bronze Age related?
Some Bell Beaker in there as well, perhaps more in the Etruscans?
All of that is still fuzzy to me.
We really, really need Bronze Age samples from northern Italy.
@Salento,
Very strange how they crowd up the maps with duplicates of the same samples.

I noticed that my duplicates are also Deep-Dive matches.

I don’t get any duplicates of the latest Romans on older uploads.

I often re-upload the r-data when MTA adds new samples or features.

Deep Dives only get updated by re-loading the r-data :)

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Bronze age
The order is random as I found the images, since replicas with such large quotas make the work difficult of pics selection.

It is very likely that you have obtained segments of the new samples. The penultimate time with Prenestini happened when I deleted and reloaded the file, but then I lose other old segments like Bell Beaker and it can't be, they should solve this for a better understanding of the whole.

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@Carlos when we refresh or re-upload, we often gain or lose some samples, sometimes even after 1 hour or so.

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@Carlos when we re-upload, we often gain or lose some samples:

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Salento, to reupload do you have to use up another "kit" of the, what, 10 we got?
 
Ok. These are all the new samples from the Antonio et al paper for which I get hits.

I bolded the Imperial Roman samples and checked those scores against my husband's.

3. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 6.017 - R60 - (Click for more info)
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4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.279 - R1 - (Click for more info)
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6. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 8.294 - R107 - (Click for more info)
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My husband gets 14.11

9. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 9.778 - R835 - (Click for more info)
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My husband gets 15.78

14. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 10.45 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info)

18. Imperial Rome San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 10.85 - R117 - (Click for more info)
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My husband gets 11.59

19. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 10.87 - R59 - (Click for more info)
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34. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (860 AD) ..... 13.64 - R1283 - (Click for more info)
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32. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 13.0 - R51 - (Click for more info)
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My husband gets 11.28

33. Imperial Rome Centocelle (282 AD) ..... 13.49 - R47 - (Click for more info)
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My husband gets 13.64

38. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 14.03 - R111 - (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

40. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 14.17 - R114 - (Click for more info)
Top 94% match vs all users

My husband gets 5.98

41. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 14.21 - LSD021 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

44. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 14.66 - R58 - (Click for more info)
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51. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 15.14 - R836 - (Click for more info)
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So, we do share a few, and the distances aren't that different, except for one hit for Via Paisiello, where he gets a very close hit.

I'm going to refresh my recollection of the cemeteries and the individual samples for some patterns.

This program is turning out to be very helpful.
 

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