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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    re-upload

    new sample: SZ1 Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD)

    (why outlier ???) (No Gender yet)

    WoW, the shared DNA ...

    SZ1 has new name, it is not longer labeled as an Outlier, ... I never liked that term in general, ...

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    86. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27
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    100. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 15.97 - MX256
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    109. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2240 BC) ..... 16.43 - MX277
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    144. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 17.55 - MX258 -
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    154. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 17.85 - MX252 -
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    211. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2240 BC) ..... 20.32 - MX265 -
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    220. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 20.73 - MX259 -
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    226. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 21.0 - MX280
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    The Bronze Age site at Singen (Hohentwiel) is the largest known Early Bronze Age cemetery in southern Germany and located in the valley next to the Hohentwiel volcano just northwest of Lake Constance. Over 96 graves were discovered here which were buried in four to five distinct zones as kin-related groups. Many graves contained an elaborate stone setting with evidence of wooden coffins. The females were buried pointed to the south whereas the males were pointed north. Female graves contained awls, pins, neck rings or bracelets whereas the males were buried with bracelts, pins and a dagger at their waist. The copper alloys in the metalwork were very advanced and it is believed that Singen metal was mined in the Alps and this community was part of a large trade network with the broader Black Forest and Switzerland regions.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    SZ1 has new name, it is not longer labeled as an Outlier, ... I never liked that term in general, ...

    thanks

    I have


    6. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.36 - SZ1
    Top 98 % match vs all users



    SZ1:
    mtDNA: J1b
    Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a(Z2123)

    .................................................. .................................


    also , new.......is Neolithic age [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 18.75 - MX265 - ..............No idea on this one


    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks

    I have


    6. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.36 - SZ1
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    SZ1:
    mtDNA: J1b
    Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a(Z2123)

    .................................................. .................................


    also , new.......is Neolithic age [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 18.75 - MX265 - ..............No idea on this one


    As it is labelled MX265, isn’t it the brand new R1a-M458 sample from iron age southern Germany. Dibran recently started a thread about it. I am quoting:

    « One sample on a upcoming paper on social and genetic structure of Late Neolithic Switzerland may belong to R1a-M458 pending further examination. Sample MX265 was discovered in the District of Constance, which is in Southwest Germany on the Swiss border. If I am not mistaken the sample was from the Bronze Age. If it is confirmed it would be pretty neat considering we only have medieval samples of descending clades. »

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    @torzio @Illyri

    I haven’t this one, referenced by you, in my top 125. But I have the three samples below that came from the same paper. In this sense, you can would access the link below.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0139705






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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    @torzio @Illyri

    I haven’t this one, referenced by you, in my top 125. But I have the three samples below that came from the same paper. In this sense, you can would access the link below.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0139705





    wow, thanks

    Lake Constance .............where my 1450 BDM papers from Val di Non areas, state my paternal line comes from .....other is Augsburg ..................state , I mean the person stating certain families come from when reaching Val di Non

    very much appreciated as I could not find it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyri View Post
    As it is labelled MX265, isn’t it the brand new R1a-M458 sample from iron age southern Germany. Dibran recently started a thread about it. I am quoting:

    « One sample on a upcoming paper on social and genetic structure of Late Neolithic Switzerland may belong to R1a-M458 pending further examination. Sample MX265 was discovered in the District of Constance, which is in Southwest Germany on the Swiss border. If I am not mistaken the sample was from the Bronze Age. If it is confirmed it would be pretty neat considering we only have medieval samples of descending clades. »

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    thanks.....can you link me where he states this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Curious news from the last update of MTA.

    They backdated this Szolad sample SZ1 to the late Central European Bronze Age (1000 BC). Various users requested verification, but MTA confirmed that it would not be an oversight (they are classifying it as an "outlier").
    If this were confirmed at this point, there is a good chance that the other specimens of the Szolad cemetery with similar or identical autosomal of the Lombard age are 1) native to the Pannonian region, not born from a mixed Roman-Lombard family and not even descendants of Italic settlers who moved to provincial territories 2) that we have the representative of a late Bronze Age group somehow connected to the ancient Italic and Balkan peoples, perhaps arisen from the same ancestral populations of Central Europe (which would explain why its DNA fragments they are so widespread among many of us MTA users). It would also confirm that genetic "continuum" of ancient pre-Slavic and pre-Germanic central Europe, with the areas of central-northern Italy and also other more western ones

    IIRC, the paper stated.....the Lombards arrived and destroyed the Rugii tribe ( originally from the baltic sea ) and married and/or enslaved the remaining Pannonian populace .....................but I am not stating BC times , but the Lombard move into modern Eastern Austria and Hungaria

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks

    I have


    6. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.36 - SZ1
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    SZ1:
    mtDNA: J1b
    Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a(Z2123)

    .................................................. .................................


    also , new.......is Neolithic age [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 18.75 - MX265 - ..............No idea on this one


    my sister


    47. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2240 BC) ..... 14.97 - MX265 -
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    .......................................

    my father and 1st cousin does not have this marker.................so it is my mother's side


    .................................................. .

    my father, myself, my sister and my 1st cousin all have the SZ1 sample though



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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    my sister


    47. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2240 BC) ..... 14.97 - MX265 -
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    .......................................

    my father and 1st cousin does not have this marker.................so it is my mother's side


    .................................................. .

    my father, myself, my sister and my 1st cousin all have the SZ1 sample though


    MTA should add the X Chromosome too,
    and then in the “Deep Dive”, any matches on your X chr. would be from your mother’s side,
    although your Father could also pass to you the same samples, but not in your X chromosome.



    Last edited by Salento; 19-04-20 at 07:12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks.....can you link me where he states this
    It is here. I hope it works:
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...e+age+R1a+M458

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    IIRC, the paper stated.....the Lombards arrived and destroyed the Rugii tribe ( originally from the baltic sea ) and married and/or enslaved the remaining Pannonian populace .....................but I am not stating BC times , but the Lombard move into modern Eastern Austria and Hungaria
    Relata refero

    (this is the correspondence between the group administrator of Facebook MTA users group and the MTA staff)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    MTA should add the X Chromosome too,
    and then in the “Deep Dive”, any matches on your X chr. would be from your mother’s side,
    although your Father could also pass to you the same samples, but not in your X chromosome.



    Yes, that can be also a scenario

    btw .....SNP Tracker added our SNP ..............for myself,I support basically the final 2 placements of these markers, the others i am very speculative on.
    Other sites have Z19945 on this map on the ancient town of Martar on the Naro river in Modern Bosnia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Relata refero

    (this is the correspondence between the group administrator of Facebook MTA users group and the MTA staff)



    thanks

    I already had SZ1 placed for myself from another site



    so the main 3 in red dots are .........SZ1, R1 and I3313
    https://amtdb.org/records/I3313

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Yes, that can be also a scenario

    btw .....SNP Tracker added our SNP ..............for myself,I support basically the final 2 placements of these markers, the others i am very speculative on.
    Other sites have Z19945 on this map on the ancient town of Martar on the Naro river in Modern Bosnia

    This is the path :)
    the Balkan spots (dark blue) are about 4/5000+ years old.


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    MTA will soon present in society DA65

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Yes, that can be also a scenario
    btw .....SNP Tracker added our SNP ....
    for SNP Tracker our new SNP is about 1600 years old ... much younger ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    for SNP Tracker our new SNP is about 1600 years old ... much younger ...

    thanks...............where you get your map from...mine is different ...my version is 3/april/2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks...............where you get your map from...mine is different ...my version is 3/april/2020
    You posted the Default Map, ... to view the Full Path you need to Change the Settings:

    ... click on the last menu tab (top right), an then UNCHECK the “Smooth Path” option.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    You posted the Default Map, ... to view the Full Path you need to Change the Settings:

    ... click on the last menu tab (top right), an then UNCHECK the “Smooth Path” option.





    without the smooth path , it is better, especially all my other family markers

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    The long shared segments of centimorgans with the people in my deep dive results were bugging me, so I sent an email to the MTA team -

    HiLooking at my "deep dive" results, I am confused by the amount of dna I share with ancient people, particularly:


    SSG-A4, Viking Gaelic mix, Iceland, 935 AD - Longest segment - 50.38Cm


    SGG-A2, Danish Gaelic mix, 935 AD - Longest segment - 17.43Cm


    And Cheddar man, Somerset, England, 7150 AD - Longest segment - 16.32Cm


    How is this possible, with people who lived so long ago?


    Regards, Chrissie.

    And received a response the same day -

    Simple, a centimorgan is a unit of measurement not intended for ancient people - it is literally defined as a way of comparing 2 people from the similar generations to find recombinant DNA. In fact Centimograns are defined in a very vague way and differ among each testing company in the way they are computed - effectively by taking the SNP length shared and multiplying by a linear factor based on the chromosome. This is why we focus on SNP chain lengths and not centimorgans. SNP length meanwhile is a way of checking how many DNA markers in a row you share with an ancient person with the same exact allele pairs. To share say 100 SNPs in a row with someone means you share the exact same genetic markers (SNPs) with the same exact alleles (A, T, G, C) for 100 values in a row. Mathematically it is incredibly improbable to randomly share such a length - the longer the length the stronger the bond with the sample.



    You can do the exact same comparisons on Gedmatch as well if you want - set the minimum SNP length to say 60, and the minimum cM length to say 2 cM, and this enables finding genetic matches to ancient samples. If you set the default of 1500 SNPs and 7 cM, you will not find any cM matches - this is because the definition of cM is really "configurable" and fit for purpose.


    Hope this clarifies!


    - The MTA Team

    How nice of them to take the time to reply, and so quickly.



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    @Mitty Thank You :)

    SZ1 Tops everyone else SNPs chain for now, by a lot:











    ... got many more too :)

    I’m a Roman / Hellenic Roman,
    any “Labeled” Gallo Roman in me (if any), is ancient common European Ancestry ... imho ... so pay no attention to it.
    Last edited by Salento; 21-04-20 at 05:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Mitty Thank You :)

    SZ1 Tops everyone else SNPs chain for now, by a lot:











    ... got many more too :)

    I’m a Roman / Hellenic Roman,
    any “Labeled” Gallo Roman in me (if any), is ancient common European Ancestry ... imho ... so pay no attention to it.
    Very useful information @mitty, thank you.

    @Salento SZ1 is kindred of SZ12 SZ24 SZ22 SZ13 SZ7 SZ8 SZ14 SZ6 SZ15 SZ19

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