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Angela: There is an MDLP K16 ancient Roman Sample coordinate source data set that Jovialis and/or others from Eupedia team here put together. It is in the ancient Roman Calculator forum. Just a friendly suggestion, have you run your MDLP 16 coordinates vs. the Ancient Roman sample coordinates that Jovalis/Eupedia team put together. You may get some good matches vs. the Ancient Romans in that source data set. Here are my MDLP 16 (distances < 10) with MDLP source data in the vahaduo spreadsheet plus coordinates for the ancient Romans from Jovialist/Eupedia team. The MDLP 16 coordinates are in Jovialis post #128 in Ancient Rome Test various Calculators forum.


Distance to:PalermoTrapani
2.96079381R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
3.04921301R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.11865356R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.59205836R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.66517952R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.68218966R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.81971991R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
4.84487358R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
4.89017382R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.91000000R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.96528952R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.25860248R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.41513619R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.42099622R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.56534815R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.63997340R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.67840647R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.70397230R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.84291879R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.38039967R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.44131198R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.57352265R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
6.65520097R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.92231175R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
7.01396464R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
7.06653380R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.24581258R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
7.44006720R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
7.60067102R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.67058016R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.69282133R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.71791423R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.82754112R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
7.94544524R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.06820302R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
8.15206109R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
8.54740311R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.85757868R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
8.86578818R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
8.90509405R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
8.99794421R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.16491680R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
9.37905112R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
9.61169080R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.03136082R133_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
10.28197452R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 0.9859% / 0.98594242 | ADC: 0.25x
44.4R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
25.2R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
11.8R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.4Anatolia_Neolithic_1d_rel_I0736
6.2R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
2.0R8_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza
 
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Angela said:
K7b: I'm closer to some of the Iron Age samples, with distances of 7 and 8, but still not really close on this, and the Protovillanovan is around a 6. Like Bigsnake, I'm sort of betwixt and between.

Distance to:angela
5.71735953R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.72271789R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.11417206R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.25399073R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.34234184R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
6.88899848R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
7.14289857R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
7.36155554R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.63729664R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.95746191R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.15919114R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.27842980R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
9.02724210R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.27778673R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
10.93756829R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
Of course, it doesn't contain the Szolad, Collegno, or Balkan Bronze Age samples which usually come up for me.

K12b
Distance to:angela
6.31505344Szolad43
6.50777996I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
6.58852032I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
6.70063430I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.00276374R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.63776145R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.90661116scy197_Scythian
8.03440104Szolad28
8.06378943I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
8.27787412I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.58760735I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
8.68103680Collegno36
8.68244205I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
8.83378175R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
8.84223954Szolad31
9.29782233scy192_Scythian
9.30879691R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.34955079Collegno23
9.53899890R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
9.55127740I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.59662441I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.74475756Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.81422437R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.83482079France_IA_ERS88
9.84937054I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
10.03918323R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
10.16986234R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.17686101Szolad36
10.59019358R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.59060433R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
10.59666457R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
10.66505977Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
10.70114013I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge
10.74346778scy300_Scythian
10.84604536I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
What I find interesting about the above is that in addition to all the Balkan Bronze Age, and what I find to be a surprisingly close relationship to Vucedol, is that I'm at an 8 to one of the Parma Beaker samples, which I'm assuming is the one that isn't all that steppe admixed, and it was found literally in Parma, where my father's family has lived for as long as anyone has records.


K13: it does have the Szolad, Collegno and Balkan Bronze Age samples. My Etruscan samples don't start showing up until around 9.
Before that come Croatia and Hungary Bronze Age and Croatia Iron Age.
2.93497871SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp
5.41744405CL36_longobard_north_italy
5.73090743I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp
6.05641808R1287_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
6.08392143scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp
6.59609733SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp
6.59807548SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
6.86632362R33_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
6.93144285R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy
7.32957707R55_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
7.39407871I7424_morisco_
7.40771220I7041_Hungary_BA_brother.I7043_4300_ybp
7.55432988scy305_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2254_ybp
7.63038007CL23_longobard_north_italy
7.83203039R36_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
7.92385007SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century
8.08064973I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp
8.12940342R1285_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
8.34281128R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.41153969col018_col018_M_R1b0Z2123_T2b_
8.50960046I7425_morisco_
8.62188494I3499_Croatia_Starcevo_EN_o_4725_ybp
8.71884167STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
8.89206388I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp
8.97791178SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
8.98867621I12515_iberia_
9.04961878R474b_Civitavecchia_Etruscan._Iron_Age
9.06077259col001_col001_
9.11117995R118_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.28771231Crusader_SI41_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_
9.33366488RISE374_Hungary_Maros.SG_3693_ybp
9.37860864CL121_longobard_north_italy
9.49464059R105_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.64738306ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC



K15-not good at all...after 5 results it jumps to the 11 distance. It does get me at 5-6 to the Villanovan, but so do they all.
5.85241830IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
10.18406108IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.28697234BronzAgeBalkan
10.71314146EMBA_Croatia_I4331
10.73127672Vucedol_I3499

MKLP K16 isn't even in the running. He must have next to no reference samples.
Distance to:angela
9.01777134HungaryGamba_MBA.SG
15.93470113Maros.SG
16.18324133Bell_Beaker
17.10485311Anatolian-Neolithic
17.68219161Vatya.SG
18.16034416GermanStuttgart_LBK
18.31556988Anatolia_Neolithic
18.89555768Tyrolean_Iceman
19.58309220Anatolia_Neolithic_1d_rel_I0736
19.91016072British-Celtic
20.42060724Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG
20.73815324Balkan-LBA
21.55132711Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland.SG
21.81025447Bell_Beaker_Czech.SG
21.83292239Anatolia_ChL
21.95647513Unetice
22.00179765British-AngloSaxon
22.12755748Remedello_BA.SG
22.45759560British-IA
23.09048938BattleAxe_Sweden.SG
23.30482568Nordic_Iron_Age
23.50348698HungaryGamba_CA
23.94682442Unetice_EBA.SG
24.29548312Irish-BA
24.41342868Nordic_MN_B.SG
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Angela you are a mixture, like me, that does not fit neatly to one population or the other. In some calculators I cluster closest to the Greek samples, sometimes the Bulgarian and sometimes Greek_Thessaly.
 
bigsnake49 said:
Angela you are a mixture, like me, that does not fit neatly to one population or the other. In some calculators I cluster closest to the Greek samples, sometimes the Bulgarian and sometimes Greek_Thessaly.
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I agree, but in addition I do find it really odd that in K13 I get these kinds of values.

8.62188494I3499_Croatia_Starcevo_EN_o_4725_ybp

Now, if he really means Starcevo Early Neolithic it's much older than that, so I don't know if there's a mistake somewhere.

The Starčevo culture is an archaeological culture of Southeastern Europe, in what is now Serbia, dating to the Neolithic period between c. 5500 and 4500 BCE[3] (according to other source, between 6200 and 5200 BCE).

How could I be that close to a sample that old?

At the same time this sample is, I think, when analyzed, close to a modern far northern Italian who somehow wound up with the German forces:

8.71884167STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
It's just bizarre to me, as is the fact that I get so many ancient Balkan matches, and as is the fact I'm so close to people falsely labeled Lombards who were found in the graves in Szolad and Collegno, but who were actually a mixed group of Italianate people. I'm closer to them than to modern Italians.

Maybe it's just all down to the fact that there are no reference samples from my part of Italy, or maybe part of the answer is also that certainly my paternal ancestry is very drifted (this was documented by Cavalli-Sforza) but maybe my mother's from the foothills of the Appennini as well.
 
Forgot the results for World 9. As with most of the calculators which don't have the Szolad, Collegno, and all the Balkan samples, I'm closest to the Protovillanovan.

5.02847890R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
5.31779089R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.74825191R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.75670044R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.93833310R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.35736581R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.83714122R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.53388346R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
7.61102490R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.72309523R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
8.52307456R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
9.56302776R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.29455196R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.74582244R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
11.09371444R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
11.17668108R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
11.30177862R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
11.50442089R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
11.78722614R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
11.95373582R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
12.12062705R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.49628745R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.56839687R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.60475307R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
12.72669635R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi

On another thread I looked up all the Late Antiquity and Medieval samples, and they're the ones which come closest to modern Tuscan and Northern Italians, so it all makes sense.
 
Angela said:
Forgot the results for World 9. As with most of the calculators which don't have the Szolad, Collegno, and all the Balkan samples, I'm closest to the Protovillanovan.

5.02847890R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
5.31779089R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.74825191R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.75670044R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.93833310R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.35736581R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.83714122R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.53388346R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
7.61102490R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.72309523R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
8.52307456R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
9.56302776R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.29455196R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.74582244R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
11.09371444R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
11.17668108R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
11.30177862R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
11.50442089R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
11.78722614R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
11.95373582R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
12.12062705R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.49628745R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.56839687R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.60475307R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
12.72669635R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi

On another thread I looked up all the Late Antiquity and Medieval samples, and they're the ones which come closest to modern Tuscan and Northern Italians, so it all makes sense.
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You are pretty close to ancient Italian samples so World9 is OK. We all have our favorites. But why are you so far from medieval samples R60 and R61?
 
Jovialis said:
^It looks normal for what MTA gives Southern Italians, nonetheless, it is inaccurate compared to the study, and what other calculators show.

Here is mine:

1. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 6.889 - R1548 -
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​

2. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 8.619 - SZ40 - ?
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​

3. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 8.685 - R65 -
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​

4. Hellenic Roman Marcellino (400 AD) ..... 8.825 - R136 -
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​

5. Hellenic Roman Casale del Dolce (145 AD) ..... 9.223 - R123 -
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​

6. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (580 AD) ..... 10.26 - CL38 -
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​

7. Roman Imperial Palestrina (100 AD) ..... 10.29 - R436 -
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​

8. Hellenic Roman Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 10.55 - R34 -
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​

9. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 10.84 - R114 -
Top
98 %​
match vs all users​

10. Hellenic Roman Marcellino (400 AD) ..... 10.84 - R133 -
Top
99 %​
match vs all users​
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Below are my Roman results for the various calculators, compared to the MTA top ten matches, I get above:


KSuOlox.png


Here is the PCA for context:

QejVBiQ.png

 
Jovialis: Looks really good, your top 25 (default calculator distances) has Iron Age R437 in 4 of the 5. Can you give me an idea where R437 plots in the Antonio et al 2019 PCA plot you have in your post 2684. Imperial Romans show up in all 5 calculators. R1548 your MTA #1 shows up in MDLP and Eurogenes K15 but at 6.09 and 7.92, respectively.
 
Jovialis said:
Below are my Roman results for the various calculators, compared to the MTA top ten matches, I get above:


KSuOlox.png


Here is the PCA for context:

QejVBiQ.png

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...for personal reference, ... reposting mine:
Awesome :)

iX1IVgh.gif
 
bigsnake49 said:
You are pretty close to ancient Italian samples so World9 is OK. We all have our favorites. But why are you so far from medieval samples R60 and R61?
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Why do you think it's my "favorite"? I just forgot to post it with the others. I'm just as "close" to those particular samples on the K7b, and reasonably close on other calculators, sometimes at 7 or 8, sometimes at 9 or 10. I'm reasonably close to the Protovillanovan on all of them. Eurogenes' K15 puts me at 5 to that sample, and mta at 6.

It is what it is.

I'm too "northern", as a half-Emilian, half-Tuscan/eastern Ligurian to be as close to R60, who is closest to a Central Italian, say Lazio, around Rome.

Distance to:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.68548504C_Italian
3.79720950Greek
5.37371380O_Italian
7.58677797Ashkenazy_Jews
7.85220988Sicilian
8.32194689S_Italian_Sicilian
8.93122612Tuscan
9.12853767S_Italian
9.35162018Ashkenazi
9.91164971TSI30
15.36518142Bulgarian
15.67286828Romanians
16.52076572Bulgarians
17.30318468Sephardic_Jews
18.57294807North_Italian
18.60251327N_Italian
18.85409239Morocco_Jews
22.89481164Canarias
23.53301511Murcia
24.04138931Baleares
24.44272489Brazilian
25.24438155Andalucia
25.86532041Extremadura
25.98690247Turkish
26.38087186Portuguese

R61 might have been a Spaniard...not everyone staying at a monastery in medieval Italy was necessarily a local...that's a mistake Antonio et al made...I get modern matches to Spaniards too at around 12 sometimes.
Distance to:R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.78465322Baleares
4.90332540Extremadura
5.22960802Spaniards
5.33634707Andalucia
5.43898888Galicia
6.00987521Castilla_La_Mancha
6.04446855Portuguese
6.19277805N_Italian
6.27826409Valencia
6.33360877Cataluna
6.48512143North_Italian
6.65436699Spanish
6.84299642Castilla_Y_Leon
7.52519767Murcia
8.78342758Aragon
8.81104988Cantabria
10.42691709Brazilian
10.43258357Canarias
10.51820327French
10.75682109French
12.03683098Bulgarians
13.18857839Bulgarian
13.88537000Hungarians
14.45491612Romanians
14.96811945TSI30

I'm closer to R55 because he's closest to a North Italian by quite a bit.
Distance to:R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.43614449N_Italian
3.99152853North_Italian
5.70972854Bulgarians
6.38165339Bulgarian
8.09465873TSI30
8.40484979Romanians
8.89201327Baleares
9.04474986Tuscan
10.79340076Andalucia
10.95415446Murcia
11.05927213Extremadura
11.98421879Galicia
11.99541162Portuguese
12.00256223O_Italian
12.34869629Spaniards
12.68929864Canarias
12.69454607Castilla_La_Mancha
13.25788445Brazilian
13.44780651Castilla_Y_Leon
13.60034926Valencia
13.95254457Cataluna
13.98633261Spanish
15.09263065C_Italian
16.10501475Aragon
16.32701749Cantabria

The Protovillanovan, to whom I often get a distance of 5 or 6 and at the most 9, is also closest to a Northern Italian...
4.37930360N_Italian
5.30590237North_Italian
5.38946194Bulgarians
5.63063052Bulgarian
6.26960924TSI30
7.13918763Tuscan
7.55513071Romanians
9.91564420O_Italian
10.62405761Baleares
12.03636158Murcia
12.34536350Andalucia
12.70299177Extremadura
13.00515282C_Italian
13.25664362Canarias
13.56814652Portuguese
13.68254362Galicia
13.69729900Brazilian
14.24319487Spaniards
14.40951075Castilla_La_Mancha
15.12633465Castilla_Y_Leon
15.54651086Valencia
15.89263981Spanish
16.01798989Cataluna
17.96470428Greek
18.01710299Aragon

I'm always pretty close to 13313, sometimes called Balkan Bronze Age, but which K13 calls Croatia Early Iron Age. This is why:
Distance to:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp
5.43453770Veneto
5.56891372Piedmont
6.91223553Friuli-VG
7.23040801Liguria
7.24876541Swiss-Italian
7.50322597Trentino
7.63498527Lombardy
7.66717679Emilia
7.95719800AostaValley
8.89383494Tuscany
8.92562603Swiss_Italian
9.82746661Portuguese
9.86850039Spanish_Extremadura
10.95161175Spanish_Galicia
11.07736882Swiss_French
11.19579385Spanish_Cataluna
11.31314722Spanish_Murcia
11.36757230Spanish_Andalucia
11.74421985Tuscan
11.75111910Romagna
11.85622200Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.05249767Spanish_Valencia
12.38313369Umbria
12.63928795Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.00125763French

Eurogenes K13 gives me this as my closest sample:
SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp,31.64,10.34,24.24,8.69,21.60,1.59,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.73,0.82,0.00,0.00

This is why...
Distance to:SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp
2.62575703Liguria
3.03894719Emilia
4.22659437Tuscany
4.70964967Lombardy
5.97690555Veneto
6.10092616Tuscan
6.29661814Piedmont
6.76625450Romagna
7.13887946Umbria
7.59609110FrenchCorsica
8.13766551Lazio
8.31645357Marche
8.40452259Friuli-VG
9.23770534Swiss-Italian
9.48964699Trentino
9.74243296Swiss_Italian
11.88159922Greek_Western-Thrace
12.35136835Spanish_Extremadura
12.53068633Portuguese
12.56161614Albanian_Kosovo
12.60631191Greek_Central-Macedonia
12.81659861Albanian_north_Albania
12.89158253Spanish_Andalucia
13.06767003Vlach_Central-Macedonia
13.16254530Kosovo_Albanian
Whoever it was, that person was Italianate, and a very specific type of Italianate, right between a Genovese and an Emiliano, and most certainly not a Langobard. That person is also closer to me than any modern reference Italian sample used so far.

MTA sees that sample as very close to me as well, along with CL36. They're incorrect about something, however, with regard to CL36. The sample was not found in the Langobard sample, but close by and a little while further in time, so that sample is basically a medieval Piemontese.

According to K13, CL36 is closest to an Emilian. The closest samples to me are ones which contain ancestry closest to someone who is a mix of Emilian, Ligurian, and Tuscan, which perfectly describes me.

Distance to:CL36_longobard_north_italy
4.94730230Emilia
5.28770271Liguria
5.49100173Tuscany
6.41289326Veneto
7.19644357Piedmont
7.48601363Romagna
7.63759124Lombardy
7.85874672Tuscan
7.89167916Umbria
7.93955918Friuli-VG
8.84095018Lazio
8.94194610Marche
9.86773530Trentino
10.13169285FrenchCorsica
10.38594242Swiss-Italian
11.14634021Greek_Central-Macedonia
11.24960444Albanian_Kosovo
11.54786560Swiss_Italian
11.56677036Kosovo_Albanian
11.70871470Greek_Western-Thrace
12.02145998Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
12.21915709Albanian_north_Albania
12.25450121Vlach_Central-Macedonia
12.56476024Albanian
12.70688003Vlach_North-Macedonia

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.614 - SZ43 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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Palermo Trapani said:
Jovialis: Looks really good, your top 25 (default calculator distances) has Iron Age R437 in 4 of the 5. Can you give me an idea where R437 plots in the Antonio et al 2019 PCA plot you have in your post 2684. Imperial Romans show up in all 5 calculators. R1548 your MTA #1 shows up in MDLP and Eurogenes K15 but at 6.09 and 7.92, respectively.
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between Central and Southern Italy, I think.

... link to Jovialis’ post:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39501-Moots-Ancient-Rome-Paper?p=590175&viewfull=1#post590175
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Thanks Salento! Good to have people here who can find the information quickly.
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... Jovialis keeps doing all the hard work, I just happen to remember what he did, :)
 
Salento said:
... Jovialis keeps doing all the hard work, I just happen to remember what he did, :)
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Yes he has done a great job with putting together all these coordinates for the various calculators.
 
Angela said:
K7b: I'm closer to some of the Iron Age samples, with distances of 7 and 8, but still not really close on this, and the Protovillanovan is around a 6. Like Bigsnake, I'm sort of betwixt and between.

Distance to:angela
5.71735953R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.72271789R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.11417206R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.25399073R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.34234184R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
6.88899848R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
7.14289857R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
7.36155554R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.63729664R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.95746191R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.15919114R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.27842980R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
9.02724210R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.27778673R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
10.93756829R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
Of course, it doesn't contain the Szolad, Collegno, or Balkan Bronze Age samples which usually come up for me.

K12b
Distance to:angela
6.31505344Szolad43
6.50777996I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
6.58852032I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
6.70063430I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.00276374R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.63776145R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.90661116scy197_Scythian
8.03440104Szolad28
8.06378943I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
8.27787412I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.58760735I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
8.68103680Collegno36
8.68244205I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
8.83378175R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
8.84223954Szolad31
9.29782233scy192_Scythian
9.30879691R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.34955079Collegno23
9.53899890R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
9.55127740I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.59662441I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.74475756Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.81422437R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.83482079France_IA_ERS88
9.84937054I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
10.03918323R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
10.16986234R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.17686101Szolad36
10.59019358R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.59060433R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
10.59666457R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
10.66505977Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
10.70114013I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge
10.74346778scy300_Scythian
10.84604536I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
What I find interesting about the above is that in addition to all the Balkan Bronze Age, and what I find to be a surprisingly close relationship to Vucedol, is that I'm at an 8 to one of the Parma Beaker samples, which I'm assuming is the one that isn't all that steppe admixed, and it was found literally in Parma, where my father's family has lived for as long as anyone has records.


K13: it does have the Szolad, Collegno and Balkan Bronze Age samples. My Etruscan samples don't start showing up until around 9.
Before that come Croatia and Hungary Bronze Age and Croatia Iron Age.
2.93497871SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp
5.41744405CL36_longobard_north_italy
5.73090743I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp
6.05641808R1287_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
6.08392143scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp
6.59609733SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp
6.59807548SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
6.86632362R33_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
6.93144285R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy
7.32957707R55_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
7.39407871I7424_morisco_
7.40771220I7041_Hungary_BA_brother.I7043_4300_ybp
7.55432988scy305_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2254_ybp
7.63038007CL23_longobard_north_italy
7.83203039R36_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
7.92385007SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century
8.08064973I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp
8.12940342R1285_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
8.34281128R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.41153969col018_col018_M_R1b0Z2123_T2b_
8.50960046I7425_morisco_
8.62188494I3499_Croatia_Starcevo_EN_o_4725_ybp
8.71884167STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
8.89206388I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp
8.97791178SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
8.98867621I12515_iberia_
9.04961878R474b_Civitavecchia_Etruscan._Iron_Age
9.06077259col001_col001_
9.11117995R118_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.28771231Crusader_SI41_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_
9.33366488RISE374_Hungary_Maros.SG_3693_ybp
9.37860864CL121_longobard_north_italy
9.49464059R105_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.64738306ScythianMoldova_SCY300_Moldova_397-209_BC



K15-not good at all...after 5 results it jumps to the 11 distance. It does get me at 5-6 to the Villanovan, but so do they all.
5.85241830IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
10.18406108IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.28697234BronzAgeBalkan
10.71314146EMBA_Croatia_I4331
10.73127672Vucedol_I3499

MKLP K16 isn't even in the running. He must have next to no reference samples.
Distance to:angela
9.01777134HungaryGamba_MBA.SG
15.93470113Maros.SG
16.18324133Bell_Beaker
17.10485311Anatolian-Neolithic
17.68219161Vatya.SG
18.16034416GermanStuttgart_LBK
18.31556988Anatolia_Neolithic
18.89555768Tyrolean_Iceman
19.58309220Anatolia_Neolithic_1d_rel_I0736
19.91016072British-Celtic
20.42060724Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG
20.73815324Balkan-LBA
21.55132711Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland.SG
21.81025447Bell_Beaker_Czech.SG
21.83292239Anatolia_ChL
21.95647513Unetice
22.00179765British-AngloSaxon
22.12755748Remedello_BA.SG
22.45759560British-IA
23.09048938BattleAxe_Sweden.SG
23.30482568Nordic_Iron_Age
23.50348698HungaryGamba_CA
23.94682442Unetice_EBA.SG
24.29548312Irish-BA
24.41342868Nordic_MN_B.SG
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Mine, just for camparsion:

K7b (Only Roman samples by Jovialis):
Distance to:Duarte
7.40809017R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.94598012R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.12233341R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
8.34727500R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.36759822R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.44770975R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.61048779R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
8.71397728R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
8.76621355R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.01828698R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
9.14471432R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.15770168R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
9.50033157R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.51973739R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.75185100R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.77838578R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
11.41226533R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro

K12b Ancient

Distance to:Duarte
6.29661020GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892
7.04433105GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895
7.10911387EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585
7.44879185I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
7.65793053I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
7.71679338EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981
7.93623966MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649
7.98459141R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.04299695GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852
8.20189003Roman-SoldierFN_2
8.46322043I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
8.60645107CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40
9.03262420I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
9.06797662R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
9.06809793GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
9.11247497R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.35114966I2215_Malak_Preslavets
9.61505590CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457
9.69586510I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
9.70581269I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
9.70581269SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
9.71447374R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
9.81952137France_BA_NIED
9.91529626I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
10.15667268I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
10.30660953IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
10.39077957GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866
10.42890694R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
10.50049999R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.65924481Collegno94
10.75724872I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
10.92967978I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP
10.97051503R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.99515348I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy

K13 Ancient:

Distance to:Duarte
6.09658921I0588_Tanzania_Zanzibar_First_Millenium_1150_ybp
8.24038227Crusader_SI40_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_
8.25348411I12516_iberia_
8.34394990R63_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
8.62376368R435b_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Republic
8.92209617CL94_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp
9.25470151R1021_Lazio_Frosinone_Iron_Age_Latini
9.35311713R109_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.35986111I1297_Bulgaria_MP_N_7817_ybp
9.38127923RISE373_Hungary_Maros.SG_3741_ybp
9.61570590FN2_Germany_Late_Roman.SG_1650_ybp
9.63605210I12649_low_quality_
9.75201518R1289_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
9.78364452R474b_Civitavecchia_Etruscan._Iron_Age
10.04314194R110_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
10.22253393I3594_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4175_ybp
10.30758459France_BA_PIR3037AB
10.31173118E09538_Germany_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4288_ybp
10.33732074I6539_Iberia_Bell_Beaker_4200_ybp
10.40913061France_BA_QUIN234
10.49689002I6581_Poland_Bell_Beaker_father.I6582_father.I6535_4251_ybp

K15 Ancient

Distance to:Duarte
6.76977104I0588_Tanzania_Zanzibar_800AD_outlier(European)
8.24704796IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
9.21567686IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
9.48283713Swiss_CHE_IA_SX18
10.20174005IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.21657477IA_Civitavecchia_R473
10.64023026ScythianMoldova_SCY197
10.64999531RomanSoldier_FN2

MDLP K16 Ancient (included coordinates produced by Jovialis):

Distance to:Duarte
7.24151227R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.35264030Vatya.SG
8.76741695Maros.SG
8.96794291R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
9.46885949R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.61928435R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.79903236R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
10.83567257R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.92091113R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
11.30186268R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
11.45433106R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.52602707R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
11.64081612R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
11.67269892R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
11.85883215R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
11.88735883R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
12.56787572R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
12.75842075R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
12.98236111R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
13.81183550R62_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
13.84957400R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
14.01788144R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
14.09784735Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG
14.22527680R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
14.60056163British-Celtic

 
Distance to:Bigsnake49
6.93091625MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
7.23815584scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
8.93965883R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
9.75272270STR310_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp
10.65540239SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary
10.89223118SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp
11.31900614R60_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
12.23001635R121_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
12.29883328R969_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
12.37554847scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
12.90686639SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp
12.91550618SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
12.91969040R57_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
13.02544433Crusader_SI53_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_
13.16599787I4131_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4289_ybp
13.20845563SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century
13.26707202SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
13.67420930scy305_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2254_ybp
13.81502805R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy
13.91325986R36_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
14.02878469R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.34534768scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp
14.44032894R107_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
14.56092717R59_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
14.71336467R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial

I am not close to any on K13 Ancient

But on K13 Modern:
Distance to:Bigsnake49
3.93396746GR_Macedonia
4.17792521Bulgarian_Thrace
4.51078707Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.60983731Macedonian_Greece
4.81396926Greek_Thessaloniki
4.91988821Greek_Western-Macedonia
4.93907886Turk_Thessaloniki
5.00760422Gagauz
5.01737979Albanian_Montenegro
5.17606445Kosovo_Albanian
5.24802820Macedonian_Southeast
5.29830161Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
5.52763060Pomak_Drama
5.57821656Macedonian_Central
5.59732079Turk_Kavala
5.62382432Albanian_central_Albania
5.64665388Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.66386794Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.80937174Albanian
5.93704472Pomak_Komotini
5.95047897Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.03971854Albanian_Kosovo
6.12099665Bulgarian_Plovdiv
6.18434313Turk_Kazanlik
6.19860468Albanian_Albania
 
Angela said:
Forgot the results for World 9. As with most of the calculators which don't have the Szolad, Collegno, and all the Balkan samples, I'm closest to the Protovillanovan.

5.02847890R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
5.31779089R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.74825191R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.75670044R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.93833310R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.35736581R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.83714122R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.53388346R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
7.61102490R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.72309523R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
8.52307456R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
9.56302776R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.29455196R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.74582244R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
11.09371444R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
11.17668108R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
11.30177862R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
11.50442089R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
11.78722614R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
11.95373582R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
12.12062705R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.49628745R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.56839687R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.60475307R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
12.72669635R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi

On another thread I looked up all the Late Antiquity and Medieval samples, and they're the ones which come closest to modern Tuscan and Northern Italians, so it all makes sense.
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I also forgot the Dodecad World 9, @Angela. My results with Roman coordinates produced by Jovialis, for comparison with your results:

Distance to:Duarte
7.16847962R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.81081942R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
7.81655295R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.13585890R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.20187174R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
8.21802896R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.80968217R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
8.86077310R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.06330514R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
9.14930052R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.22398504R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
9.22998375R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.25720260R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.61504550R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.41810923R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.15616422R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
11.35223766R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
11.65641454R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
12.08578918R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
12.16939604R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
14.66159609R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
15.86512212R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
15.99547436R62_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
16.32805255R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
16.68002998R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis

 
K15 Ancient:
Distance to:BigSnake49
13.11308507Swiss_CHE_FN_contaminated_MX298
13.20831556Swiss_CHE_EBA_SX23
13.37985052Swiss_DEU_Anselfingen_FN_MX259
13.82611298Swiss_DEU_Singen_EIA_MX265
14.37711028MedievalHungarian_DA199
14.49730665Scythian_SCY311
14.71235535BR2_Hungary
15.00831103Bavaria_STR310
15.10327779Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX190
15.53361838Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX279
15.74293492France_IA_NOR2B6
15.98595946Swiss_CHE_FN_steppe_MX304
16.67166758Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX252
16.85691549Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX198
16.97302271Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX258
17.18385871HallstattCelt_DA112
17.36376111Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX188_rel190
17.48240258Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX257
17.54208653Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX254_relMX286
17.64482644France_IA_ERS86
17.88690862Swiss_FRA_Lingolsheim_FN_steppe_SX32
17.95356511Swiss_DEU_Singen_EBA_MX251
18.76618501Swiss_Corded_Ware_CHE_MX192_rel195_rel197
18.76647010Sunghir6
19.03824309France_IA_COL153i
That's bad!
K15 updated:
Distance to:BigSnake49
6.99291070Serbian
7.69027958Moldavian
7.93629637Slovenian
8.09855543South_Serbian
8.20405160Bosnian
8.24096096Croat_Bosnia
8.27577791Romania_Ne
8.32014536Serbian_Bosnia
8.39892106Szekely
8.57426965Romania_Nw
8.58912103Bosniak
8.82660866Montenegrin
8.87165712Hungarian
8.91168895Croatian
9.26621821Kaykavian_Croatian
9.32093879Austrian
10.08127472Romanian
10.52438597Romania_Se
10.61493288Austria-Burgenland
10.63733049Romania_Sw
11.18911525Czech
11.22098926East_German
11.30662638Austria-Tyrol
11.49264112Romania_South
11.59915654Slovak

That's even worse.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Salento/Jovialis: I get R1548 as my closest Roman distance on MTA as well. MTA PCA Plot. So Need to look at this again vs. the other calculators Does this look out of wack to you all?

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My top 25 Distances using Roman Samples for 5 Calculators (MTA from Roman period in attachment in quote above from my earlier post #2661)

Capture_Dodecad7BRoman.jpgCapture_Dodecad9Roman.jpgCapture_Dodecad12Roman.jpg
Capture_EurogenesK15Roman.jpgCapture_MDLP16_Roman.jpg
 
Dodecad 12b Ancient:
Distance to:Bigsnake49
3.12413188scy305_Scythian
6.99109433Szolad37
9.38147643Szolad1
10.03873996Szolad31
10.37333119I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
10.42312813Szolad36
10.63445814CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
10.80562354R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
10.82065617R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.58068219R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
11.66749330R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
12.00138325scy192_Scythian
12.06230907R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
12.08745217Collegno36
12.09941321I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
12.17004930R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
12.30970349Szolad43
12.39637044scy197_Scythian
12.61042029R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.80823173scy300_Scythian
13.10952326scy301_Scythian
13.32503659I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
13.36309470Szolad20
13.71358451R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
13.82818499R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

I am pretty close to that Scythian

12b Modern:
Distance to:Bigsnake49
2.77135346Turk_Macedonia
3.90088452Gagauz
4.12853485R.Moldova_Gagauz
4.32381776Turk_Greece
5.07389397Albanian_Kosovo
5.32023496Albanian_North
5.89291100R.Moldova_South
6.50929336Turk_Bulgaria
7.51843734Turk_Romania
7.64808473Pomak
7.95895722Bulgarian
8.37008363Macedonian
8.98593345Bulgarians
9.31133718Romanians
10.76731629Montenegrin
11.14454907Italy_Lazio
12.03977575Crimean_Tatar_Coast
12.28287426Greek
12.35047368Italy_Romagna
12.58944034Italy_Apulia
12.60820043Italy_Marche
12.82268209Italy_FriuliVG
13.58743169Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.74110612Italy_Veneto
13.77602481Italy_Abruzzo

Hmmmmmmmmmm....
 
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