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R1548 rank #1 on MTA, #4 on the most recent Rs (only) on Dod. K12b

(... data limitations - but a small comparison between the two):

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18. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 12.87
- R65

(R836 N/A)

62. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 16.85
- R437

1. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 10.39
- R1548

22. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 13.51
- R850

(R1549 N/A)

85. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 18.95
- R1
............
 
Yes, I guess they liked the climate. :) The one from the Roman Villa in Tarragona is intriguing. I like Tarragona, nice city, and nice amphitheater, too. I like Catalonia as a whole a lot, feel very "at home" there.

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Ah, wait, two other villa ones from the south as well. So, settlers probably, not just merchants or whatever.

... we should all get our own “Villa” / “Domus Aurea” :grin:

some of these ancient samples had more $$$ and a quasi better standard of living than we do :)
 
... we should all get our own “Villa” / “Domus Aurea” :grin:

some of these ancient samples had more $$$ and a quasi better standard of living than we do :)

I think Nero's "Golden House" was probably beyond the means of our distant relatives. :)

However, going by the virtual reconstruction of this Roman villa in Spain, I'd be happy to live there...
 
I'm starting to find that these values are wrong. For example, R1548 is supposed to be my number 1 on MTA, but it is far from it. Currently R973 is my number on the Dodecad K12b version I am compiling on mlukas's site.

Northern Italians are actually closer to most Latins and Etruscans samples, than Spaniards:

Example:

Distance to:IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
2.98306889IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
5.54009928IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
6.03394564IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
6.29099356IA_Civitavecchia_R473
8.21318452North_Italian
8.35141305Baleares
8.99323635IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
10.23018573N_Italian
11.22772016Galicia
11.69795281Spaniards
12.46485459IA_Civitavecchia_R474
12.50926457Extremadura
12.55556052Castilla_Y_Leon
12.62493168Andalucia
12.85807528Murcia
12.91240102Cataluna
13.51998891Cantabria
13.52852172Valencia
13.65238807Spanish
13.82596109Portuguese
14.50117581Castilla_La_Mancha
14.70424769Aragon
15.78121351IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
15.92883863TSI30
16.54642257Canarias

Distance to:IA_Civitavecchia_R473
3.27873451IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
5.78160877North_Italian
5.95183165IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
6.29099356IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
6.78988218IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
8.38279786N_Italian
8.87318996Baleares
10.23676218IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
10.98056465IA_Civitavecchia_R474
11.14162017Galicia
12.35530251Murcia
12.82465984Extremadura
13.07071153Spaniards
13.12059831TSI30
13.36231642Andalucia
13.40997763Castilla_Y_Leon
13.81376849Portuguese
14.28975507IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
14.40643953Cataluna
14.67480494Spanish
15.05738689Tuscan
15.22069315Cantabria
15.23212067Castilla_La_Mancha
15.39107858Valencia
16.25906824Aragon

Distance to:IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
2.98306889IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
5.03751923IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
5.14806760IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
6.75586412North_Italian
6.78988218IA_Civitavecchia_R473
8.69822970N_Italian
9.72521465Baleares
10.82441684IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
11.71405566IA_Civitavecchia_R474
12.72055816Galicia
13.65209874Spaniards
13.66606015Andalucia
13.68447295Extremadura
13.72961762TSI30
14.12451061IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
14.14446181Murcia
14.19710534Castilla_Y_Leon
14.95184938Cataluna
14.96557049Portuguese
15.46727513Tuscan
15.51092518Spanish
15.51673290Valencia
15.71011776Cantabria
16.39121106Castilla_La_Mancha
16.74619360Aragon

Distance to:IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
4.01160816IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
5.03751923IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
5.15760603North_Italian
5.95183165IA_Civitavecchia_R473
6.03394564IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
7.87889586N_Italian
8.24389471Baleares
11.06406345IA_Civitavecchia_R474
11.32371847Andalucia
11.42493764IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
11.42629424Galicia
11.95574339Murcia
12.07648128Extremadura
12.25715301TSI30
12.59229129Spaniards
12.99406788Castilla_Y_Leon
13.45805707Portuguese
14.10107088Tuscan
14.26729827Cataluna
14.31892454IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
14.36500609Spanish
14.53080865Valencia
14.78261817Castilla_La_Mancha
14.93880183Canarias
14.97183356Cantabria

Distance to:IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
3.27873451IA_Civitavecchia_R473
4.01160816IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
5.14806760IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
5.24512154North_Italian
5.54009928IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
8.03976368N_Italian
8.21257572Baleares
10.85773457Galicia
10.87764221IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.98685578IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
11.64063572Murcia
12.06155048Extremadura
12.15138675Andalucia
12.49035628TSI30
12.74874111Castilla_Y_Leon
12.84337962Spaniards
13.02558636Portuguese
14.10738814IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
14.29485922Spanish
14.48704249Cataluna
14.48716673Tuscan
14.59809577Canarias
15.02812031Castilla_La_Mancha
15.03589040Valencia
15.10769340Cantabria

Distance to:IA_Civitavecchia_R474
5.40006481N_Italian
7.56863924IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
8.09843195North_Italian
10.68767982IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
10.87764221IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
10.98056465IA_Civitavecchia_R473
11.06406345IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
11.71405566IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
12.03535625LA_Celio_R36
12.08194107Baleares
12.08642627O_Italian
12.12151393TSI30
12.46485459IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
12.76096000Galicia
13.43684859Extremadura
14.08415422Portuguese
14.15437388Tuscan
14.17464638Albanian_North
14.26640459Albanian_Kosovo
15.65916026Murcia
15.83631902Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
16.08680515Castilla_Y_Leon
16.25876994LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
16.41527642Cataluna
16.49286816French

Distance to:IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
7.11862346O_Italian
7.18894985N_Italian
7.51609606Albanian_North
7.56863924IA_Civitavecchia_R474
7.76251248Albanian_Kosovo
8.94220890LA_Celio_R36
9.42569891TSI30
10.32626263North_Italian
10.61324644Tuscan
12.67284893C_Italian
12.72463359Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
13.02779337MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
13.46066492LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
13.87592880MA_Villa_Magna_R60
14.10656230LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
14.10738814IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
14.12451061IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
14.28975507IA_Civitavecchia_R473
14.31892454IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
15.04893352Bulgarians
15.06029880Romanians
15.41974708Bulgarian
15.78121351IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
15.89171168MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
16.03948877Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836

Distance to:IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
4.59913035S_Italian_Sicilian
4.83577295Sicilian
5.37071690Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
5.58436209MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
5.75484144MA_Villa_Magna_R65
5.92564764MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
6.53716299MA_Villa_Magna_R59
6.57532509LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
6.62618291C_Italian
8.68328855LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
9.89564551MA_Villa_Magna_R60
10.09640530MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
10.16248001Ashkenazi
10.49031935Tuscan
10.64005169Ashkenazy_Jews
11.10535456LA_Celio_R36
11.26179382Greek
11.34612709Greek_Crete
11.40172794Sephardic_Jews
11.72748055TSI30
11.99572424O_Italian
12.17614060Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548
12.92229856Morocco_Jews
13.00421086MA_Villa_Magna_R57
13.37198938Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549

Distance to:IA_Latin_Ardea_R850
3.90799181Greek_Crete
4.90446735Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548
7.13377179Ashkenazy_Jews
7.74058137Sephardic_Jews
7.82175172Ashkenazi
9.49243910MA_Villa_Magna_R65
10.15725357S_Italian_Sicilian
10.43784940Sicilian
10.88449356Greek_Cappadocia
11.74901272MA_Villa_Magna_R59
11.86263040Cypriots
11.99563671MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
12.08694751Nusayri_Turkey
12.19292418Morocco_Jews
13.12759689Crimean_Tatar_Coast
13.17106678Turk_West_BlackSea
13.49063008Turk_Central_West
13.55089296MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
14.08757609Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
14.10277987IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
14.16544387Greek
14.43175665Turk_Central_East
14.45064012Turk_Anatolia
14.88196224MA_Villa_Magna_R60
15.19421600Turk_Southwest


The only one that I see is closest to Iberians is R435:

Distance to:IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
7.26140482Baleares
7.44595192Galicia
7.98874208Cataluna
8.99323635IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
9.01121523Spaniards
9.17724359Extremadura
9.91413133Castilla_Y_Leon
10.23676218IA_Civitavecchia_R473
10.27070105Portuguese
10.32665483Spanish
10.44412754French
10.63531852Cantabria
10.68767982IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.82441684IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
10.98685578IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
11.10933391French
11.39798228Murcia
11.42493764IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
11.60238769Valencia
11.86962510Castilla_La_Mancha
12.09465584North_Italian
12.27742644N_Italian
12.63263235Aragon
12.88846771Andalucia
16.05179118Canarias

Very interesting.

The Dodecad calculators usually gave better fits for Italians than Eurogenes did.

I get why my husband gets Ashkenazim in Dodecad as third best fit sometimes: he's close to 850, which is close to Crete, and the Ashkenazi Jews are also close to Crete.
 
my trentino cousin has had her #1 points lowered and number 10 added

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 4.445 - R1 -
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 5.549 - CL36 - ?
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.369 - SZ43 -
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.084 - SZ36 -
Top 99% match vs all users

5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.479 - SZ28 - ?
Top 99% match vs all users

6. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 8.056 - NS3c - ?
Top 99% match vs all users

7. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 8.27 - R970 -
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.625 - I3313 -
Top 98% match vs all users

9. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 8.921 - scy197b - ?
Top 99% match vs all users

10. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) ..... 9.056 - R36 -
Top 99% match vs all users

11. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 9.109 - scy192 -
Top 99% match vs all users



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R36
mtDNA: T1a1
Y-DNA: R-Z145



my cousin is mtdna T1a1e
 
Something more about R474

24. Celtiberian Mix Tribe Northern Spain (2300 BC) ..... 10.19
- I3238 -
Top
99
% match vs all users

49. Celtoiberian Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 12.36 - R116 -
Top
99
% match vs all users
The 200 samples of R74 are the ones I have, except this one that I had never seen before.

166. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland (1100 AD) ..... 20.72
- PCA157_Mar6 - ?
Top
89
% match vs all users


Some features of R74

SNP: rs9939609 (TT) - Relevance:7.2
Lower risk of obesity and type-2 diabetes

SNP: gs156a (Positive) - Relevance:5.0
Fast metabolism

SNP: rs2032582 (AA) - Relevance:1.7
Rare genotype, on a triallelic snp

SNP: rs17070145 (CC) - Relevance:0.8
Reduced memory abilities

SNP: rs4570625 (GG) - Relevance:0.7
Maybe: higher scores on anxiety-related personality traits; greater placebo response}}one study of (only) 25 people {{pmid|19052197

SNP: rs1426654 (AA) - Relevance:0.6
Probably light-skinned, european ancestry

SNP: rs1815739 (CC) - Relevance:0.6
Better performing muscles. likely sprinter.

SNP: rs334558 (AA) - Relevance:0.5
Later onset of bipolar disorder

SNP: rs821616 (AA) - Relevance:0.4
Cognitive decline in older women

SNP: rs12807809 (TT) - Relevance:0.3
Schizophrenia

SNP: rs1800860 (AG) - Relevance:0.3
10% smaller kidneys as newborns

SNP: rs182549 (CC) - Relevance:0.2
Possibly lactose intolerant

SNP: rs10784502 (TT) - Relevance:0.2
Less intracranial volume?

SNP: rs1569723 (CC) - Relevance:0.2
Kawasaki disease

SNP: rs2802292 (GG) - Relevance:0.2
1.5x~2.7x more likely to live to 100.

SNP: rs4870044 (CC) - Relevance:0.2
Bone mineral density (spine)

SNP: rs7776725 (TT) - Relevance:0.2
Stronger bones

SNP: rs7183877 (CC) - Relevance:0.1
Blue eye color if part of blue eye color haplotype

SNP: rs8028689 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Blue eye color if part of blue eye color haplotype

SNP: rs7816345 (CC) - Relevance:0.1
bigger breast size (normal in european)

SNP: rs13208776 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Higher risk for generalized vitiligo

SNP: rs3923890 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Lower social interaction

SNP: rs4778241 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Usually brown eye color

SNP: rs35264875 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Blonde hair color

SNP: rs885479 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Darker skin color

SNP: rs17001266 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
1.58x increased risk for schizophrenia in males

SNP: rs12416000 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Homo sapiens gene (not neanderthal)

SNP: rs4085613 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Psoriasis

SNP: rs6060373 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Height

SNP: rs6088813 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Height

SNP: rs572169 (CC) - Relevance:0.1
Height

SNP: rs1007371 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Rare genotype.

SNP: rs4552569 (CC) - Relevance:0.1
Ankylosing spondylitis


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Something more about R473

R473

1. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1060 AD) ..... 7.925 - I10853 -
Top
99
% match vs all users

5. Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia (1200 AD) ..... 9.525 - I7457 -
Top
99
% match vs all users

6. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 10.11 - I12208 -
Top
99
% match vs all users
15. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 10.98 - I12209 -
Top
99
% match vs all users
17. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 11.16 - I3585 -
Top
97
% match vs all users
23. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) ..... 11.77 - I12034 -
Top
98
% match vs all users
52. Carthaginian Ibiza (270 BC) ..... 14.1 - MS10614 - ?
Top
99
% match vs all users
88. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) ..... 16.08 - I1388 -
Top
99
% match vs all users
109. Tartessian Archaic Andalusia (600 BC) ..... 17.41 - I12171 -
Top
99
% match vs all users
200. North Alpine Bronze Age (1790 BC) ..... 24.21 - AITI_78 -
Top
33
% match vs all users

SNP: rs182549 (CC) - Relevance:0.2
Possibly lactose intolerant

SNP: rs900400 (TC) - Relevance:0.2
Birth weight

SNP: rs12913832 (AG) - Relevance:1.0
Brown eye color

SNP: rs16891982 (GG) - Relevance:0.8
Generally european; light skin; possibly an increased risk of melanoma}}this snp is associated with skin, hair, and eye colour, and risk of melanoma. individuals with the g;g genotype are generally of european descent and have fair skin.{{pmid auto|pmid=19710684|oa=1

SNP: rs4570625 (GG) - Relevance:0.7
Maybe: higher scores on anxiety-related personality traits; greater placebo response}}one study of (only) 25 people {{pmid|19052197

SNP: rs12970134 (AA) - Relevance:0.6
Adult waist 1.8cm larger on average

SNP: rs9652490 (AA) - Relevance:0.6
~2x increased risk for parkinson's disease, and, essential tremor

SNP: rs1426654 (AA) - Relevance:0.6
Probably light-skinned, european ancestry

SNP: rs7216389 (TT) - Relevance:0.6
1.5x increased risk for childhood asthma.

SNP: rs334558 (AA) - Relevance:0.5
Later onset of bipolar disorder

SNP: rs4307059 (CC) - Relevance:0.5
Reduced autism risk

SNP: rs7647305 (TC) - Relevance:0.5
Obesity risk

SNP: rs10246939 (CC) - Relevance:0.4
Can taste bitter

SNP: rs2494732 (TT) - Relevance:0.4
Lower odds of psychosis

SNP: rs7495174 (AA) - Relevance:0.3
Blue/gray eyes more likely

SNP: rs610604 (TT) - Relevance:0.2
Psoriasis

SNP: rs6932590 (TT) - Relevance:0.2
1.1x increased risk for schizophrenia

SNP: rs6435862 (GG) - Relevance:0.2
2.8x higher risk of aggressive neuroblastoma

SNP: rs12896399 (GG) - Relevance:0.2
Light hair color

SNP: rs13316193 (TT) - Relevance:0.2
Slight evidence indicating decreased oxtr expression, higher risk of depression, higher risk of autism spectrum disorder.}}{{pmid|22357335}} the association between oxytocin receptor gene polymorphism (oxtr) and trait empathy.{{pmid|17893705}} association between the oxytocin receptor (oxtr) gene and autism: relationship to vineland adaptive behavior scales and cognition.{{pmid|20346758}} genetics of human social behavior.{{pmid|22285934}} oxytocin and social affiliation in humans.{{pmid|23325323

SNP: rs6812193 (CC) - Relevance:0.2
Slightly higher risk of developing parkinson's disease for caucasians

SNP: rs2069442 (GG) - Relevance:0.2
1.9x increased risk of alzheimer's

SNP: rs900400 (TC) - Relevance:0.2
Birth weight

SNP: rs182549 (CC) - Relevance:0.2
Possibly lactose intolerant

SNP: rs10050860 (CT) - Relevance:0.2
0.71x lower risk for ankylosing spondylitis.

SNP: rs1569723 (CC) - Relevance:0.2
Kawasaki disease

SNP: rs6604026 (TC) - Relevance:0.2
1.15x risk of multiple sclerosis

SNP: rs3743930 (CC) - Relevance:0.2
Some reports of familial mediterranean fever

SNP: rs7776725 (TT) - Relevance:0.2
Stronger bones

SNP: rs2327832 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Celiac disease

SNP: rs326 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Lower hdl cholesterol

SNP: rs17482753 (GT) - Relevance:0.1
Elevated triglycerides

SNP: rs10958409 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
1.79x increased aneurysm risk

SNP: rs7183877 (CC) - Relevance:0.1
Blue eye color if part of blue eye color haplotype

SNP: rs8028689 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Blue eye color if part of blue eye color haplotype

SNP: rs3745516 (AG) - Relevance:0.1
Slightly increased risk of developing primary biliary cirrhosis

SNP: rs394581 (CC) - Relevance:0.1
Higher risk of ra in african and hispanic populations

SNP: rs7816345 (CC) - Relevance:0.1
bigger breast size (normal in european)

SNP: rs3753841 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Glaucoma (primary open-angle)

SNP: rs4236601 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Glaucoma (primary open-angle)

SNP: rs3923890 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Lower social interaction

SNP: rs2839471 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
1.6x increased risk for high myopia in japanese (but not chinese)

SNP: rs2024513 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
1.7x higher risk for schizophrenia (among han chinese)

SNP: rs1635852 (TC) - Relevance:0.1
Height

SNP: rs6700998 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
0.83x reduced risk of atopic dermatitis.

SNP: rs1143674 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
1.3x increased autism risk
SNP: rs9883204 (CC) - Relevance:0.1

SNP: rs12416000 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Homo sapiens gene (not neanderthal)

SNP: rs7078160 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Orofacial clefts

SNP: rs7107418 (AG) - Relevance:0.1
Less likely to think cilantro tastes like soap

SNP: rs6591536 (GA) - Relevance:0.1
More able to detect -ionone (floral) fragrance

SNP: rs34516635 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Less longevity for ashkenazi jewish women.

SNP: rs17646946 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Straighter curl

SNP: rs11803731 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Curlier hair

SNP: rs6570507 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Height

SNP: rs3748816 (AA) - Relevance:0.1
Celiac disease
SNP: rs7561317 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Weight
SNP: rs572169 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Height

SNP: rs6859 (AG) - Relevance:0.1
Alzheimer's disease
SNP: rs3126085 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Atopic dermatitis
SNP: rs4085613 (TG) - Relevance:0.1
Psoriasis
SNP: rs7522462 (GG) - Relevance:0.1
Multiple sclerosis
SNP: rs11584383 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Crohn's disease
SNP: rs1518111 (TT) - Relevance:0.1
Behcet's disease

SNP: rs229527 (AA) - Relevance:0.0
Vitiligo







 
My new results:

5. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (880 AD) ..... 9.193 - I10895 -
Top
99
% match vs all users
10. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1060 AD) ..... 10.71 - I10852
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18. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1060 AD) ..... 11.65 - I10851
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38. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1060 AD) ..... 13.64 - I10853
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70. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (990 AD) ..... 15.05 - I10892 -
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91. Tartessian Archaic Andalusia (600 BC) ..... 16.35 - I12171 -
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107. Roman Villa Tarragona (350 AD) ..... 17.04 - I6490
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118. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 17.58 - I3981 -
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% match vs all users
128. Tartessian Archaic Andalusia (600 BC) ..... 18.28 - I12561 -
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153. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1115 AD) ..... 19.49 - I10897
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92. Roman Villa Granada Spain (300 AD) ..... 16.45 - I3982 -
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You know who it is.

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These are the ancestral populations that make up your ethnicity, all of them grouped on a pie chart. See my resumed most recent MTA results:


[h=3]Your closest Ancient populations...
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Cheers:)
 
Viking + Celt (2.149)
Viking Danish + Vandal (3.46)
Celt (5.432)
Vandal (5.617)
Saxon (5.708)
Viking Danish (6.759)
Viking (7.302)


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I get so much Roman mostly for the samples from Hungary.....how we know they are Roman? At that time borders were protected by soldiers from Illyricani.


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I get so much Roman mostly for the samples from Hungary.....how we know they are Roman? At that time borders were protected by soldiers from Illyricani.


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I'm not sure who they were. All we know is that Szolad was part of an area in Pannonia which remained "Romanized" for a long time, and then was also under Byzantine rule for a time.

"Pannonia, a province of the Western Roman empire, was devastated by the barbarian invasions (Huns, Gepids, Avars, etc.). Only a few thousand Romanized Pannonians survived the onslaughts,[dubiousdiscuss] mainly around Lake Pelso (now lake Balaton) in small fortified villages such as Keszthely.

Roman Pannonia and surrounding areas​

The Romanic population from Pannonia created the Keszthely culture that evolved mainly during the 6th-7th centuries. Its artifacts were made in the workshops of Roman origin located mainly in the fortified settlements of Keszthely-Fenékpuszta and Sopianae (modern Pécs). "
"Under the Avars, the Roman castle of Fenékpuszta near Keszthely and the surroundings were not occupied, so the original Romanized inhabitants lived on undisturbed. They paid food and artisan goods for peace from the Avars. After 568 new Christian Romanized Pannonians arrived here, probably from the destroyed Aquincum (modern Budapest). The Keszthely-Fenékpuszta fortress became the centre of a 30 km diameter area, where the people buried their dead adorned with jewellery and clothing of Byzantine origin. They rebuilt the fortress basilica, where the principals of the community were buried, while their relatives found their final resting places next to the nearby horreum (granary). In 626, the Avars were seriously defeated under Constantinople, which was followed by a civil war. The leaders of the Keszthely-Fenékpuszta community had supported those who were later defeated. That was why the Avars besieged and then destroyed the fortress of Fenékpuszta. They made the rest of the Romanized population move into the territory of the town centre. The Christian Romanized population was subjected to military suppression. The cemeteries of the 7th and 8th centuries entombed both Avars and Christians, but they were buried separately. The different religions did not allow them to mix even after death. The Christian Romanized populace, which spoke its own Romance Pannonian language, was cut from the outer world and created a unique, characteristic material culture, which we know from the artifacts of the cemeteries near Keszthely. These finds have been termed Keszthely culture. At that time, Keszthely was the center of the Pannonian region, because the area of Lake Balaton was crossed by roads connecting the Danube and the Mediterranean."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture

The Langobards were late arrivals and stayed for only one generation.

The Byzantines didn't arrive until after the date of these burials, but perhaps the arrivals after 568 were from further south rather than Budapest?

It's undeniable that some of the samples are Greek like, and even island Greek like, while others are Tuscan like.


I'm very close to SZ36 and I'm part Tuscan. Stuvane is also very close to him and he's from the Romagna. I'm not surprised that Albanians are getting hits with them. They're coming up on my calculator results quite often.

My results:

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.614 - SZ43 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
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% match vs all users[/FONT]


2. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 4.508 - CL36 - [FONT=&quot] ? [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
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% match vs all users[/FONT]


3. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 5.964 - R60 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
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% match vs all users[/FONT]


4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.241 - R1 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.771 - SZ36 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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% match vs all users

The two Szolad samples to which I'm closest are a mixture of TSI Tuscan, IBS Spanish, and a minority British component. I wish they'd used something other than 1000 Genomes, but it's undeniable some of them are extremely close to modern Italians.

Pretty close to Albanians, as well it appears.


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Were the Avars Slavs? Or a Slavicized group? From what I've read, the Longobards didn't stay in Pannonia very long but given its location, it's not surprising that different groups passed through the area.
 
These are the ancestral populations that make up your ethnicity, all of them grouped on a pie chart. See my resumed most recent MTA results:


Your closest Ancient populations...
aFhuKll.jpg


E8FlDDr.jpg


Cheers:)

It is not possible to get rid of this fresh

mine

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Mine

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I have reloaded and I get this
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It would be necessary to see the wheel of a modern Basque.

Compressed values in older Iberians gain more ground to the Iberian until they reach the current era, some new contributions, others that disappear, many nomenclatures for basically the same, I don't know very well how to interpret it.
 
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I'm not sure who they were. All we know is that Szolad was part of an area in Pannonia which remained "Romanized" for a long time, and then was also under Byzantine rule for a time.

"Pannonia, a province of the Western Roman empire, was devastated by the barbarian invasions (Huns, Gepids, Avars, etc.). Only a few thousand Romanized Pannonians survived the onslaughts,[dubiousdiscuss] mainly around Lake Pelso (now lake Balaton) in small fortified villages such as Keszthely.

Roman Pannonia and surrounding areas​

The Romanic population from Pannonia created the Keszthely culture that evolved mainly during the 6th-7th centuries. Its artifacts were made in the workshops of Roman origin located mainly in the fortified settlements of Keszthely-Fenékpuszta and Sopianae (modern Pécs). "
"Under the Avars, the Roman castle of Fenékpuszta near Keszthely and the surroundings were not occupied, so the original Romanized inhabitants lived on undisturbed. They paid food and artisan goods for peace from the Avars. After 568 new Christian Romanized Pannonians arrived here, probably from the destroyed Aquincum (modern Budapest). The Keszthely-Fenékpuszta fortress became the centre of a 30 km diameter area, where the people buried their dead adorned with jewellery and clothing of Byzantine origin. They rebuilt the fortress basilica, where the principals of the community were buried, while their relatives found their final resting places next to the nearby horreum (granary). In 626, the Avars were seriously defeated under Constantinople, which was followed by a civil war. The leaders of the Keszthely-Fenékpuszta community had supported those who were later defeated. That was why the Avars besieged and then destroyed the fortress of Fenékpuszta. They made the rest of the Romanized population move into the territory of the town centre. The Christian Romanized population was subjected to military suppression. The cemeteries of the 7th and 8th centuries entombed both Avars and Christians, but they were buried separately. The different religions did not allow them to mix even after death. The Christian Romanized populace, which spoke its own Romance Pannonian language, was cut from the outer world and created a unique, characteristic material culture, which we know from the artifacts of the cemeteries near Keszthely. These finds have been termed Keszthely culture. At that time, Keszthely was the center of the Pannonian region, because the area of Lake Balaton was crossed by roads connecting the Danube and the Mediterranean."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture

The Langobards were late arrivals and stayed for only one generation.

The Byzantines didn't arrive until after the date of these burials, but perhaps the arrivals after 568 were from further south rather than Budapest?

It's undeniable that some of the samples are Greek like, and even island Greek like, while others are Tuscan like.


I'm very close to SZ36 and I'm part Tuscan. Stuvane is also very close to him and he's from the Romagna. I'm not surprised that Albanians are getting hits with them. They're coming up on my calculator results quite often.

My results:

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.614 - SZ43 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]99
% match vs all users[/FONT]


2. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 4.508 - CL36 - [FONT=&quot] ? [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]99
% match vs all users[/FONT]


3. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 5.964 - R60 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]99
% match vs all users[/FONT]


4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.241 - R1 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]99
% match vs all users[/FONT]


5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.771 - SZ36 - [FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]99
% match vs all users

The two Szolad samples to which I'm closest are a mixture of TSI Tuscan, IBS Spanish, and a minority British component. I wish they'd used something other than 1000 Genomes, but it's undeniable some of them are extremely close to modern Italians.

Pretty close to Albanians, as well it appears.


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The Vlachs (Aromanian) large presence in South Albanian probably explain my strong connection to these samples, but I am not sure how to explain yours.? Can you shed some light on that? I think is very interesting?


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The Vlachs (Aromanian) large presence in South Albanian probably explain my strong connection to these samples, but I am not sure how to explain yours.? Can you shed some light on that? I think is very interesting?


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It isn't at all easy to answer, Blevins.


Two hypotheses turn around my head or they have been proposed to me: we are talking about groups of individuals of mixed origin more or less recent in historical age (mediterranean + continental = i.e. Romans assimilated to the local Pannonian and / or Lombard populations merged with Romans / provincials ), or it must be assumed that in some areas of continental Europe inhabited local populations whose ancestral quotas previously inherited - and before mixing completely with Germanic or Slavic populations - were completely similar to those of the autosomal of a current northern/central Italian.


Needless to deny that this second hypothesis would be extremely interesting to investigate.
 
It isn't at all easy to answer, Blevins.


Two hypotheses turn around my head or they have been proposed to me: we are talking about groups of individuals of mixed origin more or less recent in historical age (mediterranean + continental = i.e. Romans assimilated to the local Pannonian and / or Lombard populations merged with Romans / provincials ), or it must be assumed that in some areas of continental Europe inhabited local populations whose ancestral quotas previously inherited - and before mixing completely with Germanic or Slavic populations - were completely similar to those of the autosomal of a current northern/central Italian.


Needless to deny that this second hypothesis would be extremely interesting to investigate.



I bet on your hypothesis

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I bet on your hypothesis

lliryandamlamtianname.jpeg


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@Carlos,

I still can't put my hand on the fire, but this persistent and common occurrence in our timelines of Iberian, Italic / Etruscan and Illyrian individuals make me suspect that in protohistoric Europe - at least in the middle continental area - fairly homogeneous populations had originated

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It isn't at all easy to answer, Blevins.


Two hypotheses turn around my head or they have been proposed to me: we are talking about groups of individuals of mixed origin more or less recent in historical age (mediterranean + continental = i.e. Romans assimilated to the local Pannonian and / or Lombard populations merged with Romans / provincials ), or it must be assumed that in some areas of continental Europe inhabited local populations whose ancestral quotas previously inherited - and before mixing completely with Germanic or Slavic populations - were completely similar to those of the autosomal of a current northern/central Italian.


Needless to deny that this second hypothesis would be extremely interesting to investigate.

That's it in a nutshell. :)

I don't know if even more samples will clear it up.
 

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