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@Angela
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@Bigsnake


But in fact I wouldnt't recommend puntDNAL and Gedrosia calculators for their modern oracles, which are evidently calibrated to examine mainly Middle Eastern populations. In fact, they tend to overestimate the Caucasian and Middle Eastern components.
Mine is a rustic and rough method to simulate the G25 without too many pretensions: for people of European origin I'd say to dwell only on the ancestral percentages, in particular those of Anatolian_NF and European_HG detected by Puntdnal k12. Multiplying them by a coefficient of 1.5 you should find - at a guess - the EEF and Steppe values ​​proposed in some G25 tools (the residual difference to get 100% usually flows back into WHF, Extra-CHG, Levant_natufian ... )


With all the necessary caveats, the models of the mixed more population sharing of PuntDNAL k12 ancient seem reasonable and quite acceptable: 60-65% or more of ancient European neolithic samples + ca. 35- 40% of Steppe (Poltavka/Yamnaya samples) seem to me to be fairly central values ​​in the case of northern Italians.
Let me know if it works :)

#PopulationPercent

1 Anatolian_NF 39.51
2 European_HG 25.59
3 Caucasus_HG 24.45
4 Near_East 9
5 Siberian 1.45



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
159.2%LBK_EN_I0054+40.8%Poltavka_I0440@3.29
257.7%Stuttgart_SG+42.3%Poltavka_I0440@3.33
361.2%BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94+38.8%Starcevo_MN_I0174@3.81
457.6%LBK_EN_I0054+42.4%Yamnaya_Samara_I0443@4
562.4%Iceman_MN_SG+37.6%Poltavka_I0440@4.18
660.4%LBK_EN_I0054+39.6%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@4.21
758.9%Stuttgart_SG+41.1%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@4.21
861%Hungary_EN_I0495+39%Poltavka_I0440@4.37
959.2%Iberia_EN_I0412+40.8%Poltavka_I0440@4.41
1059.9%LBK_EN_I0054+40.1%Yamnaya_Samara_I0231@4.55
1159.7%BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94+40.3%LBK_EN_I0054@4.65
1263.5%Iceman_MN_SG+36.5%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@4.65
1356.2%Stuttgart_SG+43.8%Yamnaya_Samara_I0443@4.66
1457.6%Starcevo_MN_I0174+42.4%Poltavka_I0440@4.67
1556%Starcevo_MN_I0174+44%Yamnaya_Samara_I0443@4.68
1660.2%LBK_EN_I0054+39.8%Afanasievo_SG_RISE511@4.87
1752.5%Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386+47.5%Starcevo_MN_I0174@4.92
1860.4%Iberia_EN_I0412+39.6%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@4.93
1958.4%Stuttgart_SG+41.6%Yamnaya_Samara_I0231@4.94
2062.1%Hungary_EN_I0495+37.9%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@5.09
 
Stuvane: Ok good tip, here are my Punt DNA Ancient Single (Otzi is first) and my oracle. Of the top of my head, I don't know what period all those samples are from. But you are correct, it does a good job. I would think that the ones in the top 10 here are reflecting samples from Neolithic EEF samples with some Caucus (Armenian) Neolithic/HG type ancestry. I would appreciate your input or input from anyone who has a really good grasp on all these samples. Otzi is the only one that I can from the top of my head really describe.
 

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With all the necessary caveats, the models of the mixed more population sharing of PuntDNAL k12 ancient seem reasonable and quite acceptable: 60-65% or more of ancient European neolithic samples + ca. 35- 40% of Steppe (Poltavka/Yamnaya samples) seem to me to be fairly central values ​​in the case of northern Italians.
Let me know if it works :)

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
159.2%LBK_EN_I0054+40.8%Poltavka_I0440@3.29
257.7%Stuttgart_SG+42.3%Poltavka_I0440@3.33
361.2%BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94+38.8%Starcevo_MN_I0174@3.81
457.6%LBK_EN_I0054+42.4%Yamnaya_Samara_I0443@4
562.4%Iceman_MN_SG+37.6%Poltavka_I0440@4.18
660.4%LBK_EN_I0054+39.6%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@4.21
758.9%Stuttgart_SG+41.1%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@4.21
861%Hungary_EN_I0495+39%Poltavka_I0440@4.37
959.2%Iberia_EN_I0412+40.8%Poltavka_I0440@4.41
1059.9%LBK_EN_I0054+40.1%Yamnaya_Samara_I0231@4.55
1159.7%BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94+40.3%LBK_EN_I0054@4.65
1263.5%Iceman_MN_SG+36.5%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@4.65
1356.2%Stuttgart_SG+43.8%Yamnaya_Samara_I0443@4.66
1457.6%Starcevo_MN_I0174+42.4%Poltavka_I0440@4.67
1556%Starcevo_MN_I0174+44%Yamnaya_Samara_I0443@4.68
1660.2%LBK_EN_I0054+39.8%Afanasievo_SG_RISE511@4.87
1752.5%Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386+47.5%Starcevo_MN_I0174@4.92
1860.4%Iberia_EN_I0412+39.6%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@4.93
1958.4%Stuttgart_SG+41.6%Yamnaya_Samara_I0231@4.94
2062.1%Hungary_EN_I0495+37.9%Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552@5.09

Thank you @Stuvanè.
In my case the distances in mixed mode with three or more populations are better.


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
153%Iceman_MN_SG+47%Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00@6.19
253.9%Hungary_CA_I1497+46.1%Srubnaya_I0430@6.19
358.8%Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97+41.2%Iceman_MN_SG@6.22
460.3%Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97+39.7%Hungary_EN_I0495@6.26
562.5%Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489+37.5%Afanasievo_SG_RISE511@6.33
654.2%Hungary_EN_I0495+45.8%Srubnaya_I0232@6.35
764.9%Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97+35.1%Stuttgart_SG@6.36
853.4%Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00+46.6%Stuttgart_SG@6.37
958.8%Hungary_CA_I1497+41.2%Andronovo_SG_RISE505@6.37
1062.9%Alberstedt_LN_I0118+37.1%Hungary_EN_I0495@6.38
1157.3%Hungary_CA_I1497+42.7%Srubnaya_I0232@6.39
1250.4%Potapovka_I0419+49.6%Hungary_EN_I0495@6.4
1362.7%Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97+37.3%Iberia_EN_I0412@6.41
1451.4%Hungary_EN_I0495+48.6%Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00@6.42
1555.8%Iceman_MN_SG+44.2%Srubnaya_I0232@6.44
1655.7%Iceman_MN_SG+44.3%Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103@6.45
1761.4%Alberstedt_LN_I0118+38.6%Iceman_MN_SG@6.45
1859%Hungary_CA_I1497+41%Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104@6.45
1957.2%Iceman_MN_SG+42.8%Andronovo_SG_RISE505@6.45
2064%Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97+36%LBK_EN_I0054@6.46

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 @ 15.669842
2 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 @ 17.196659
3 Vatya_SG_RISE479 @ 17.624203
4 Hungary_BA_I1502 @ 18.056623
5 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 @ 18.154741
6 Unetice_EBA_I0117 @ 18.472549
7 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 @ 20.571085
8 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 @ 21.105354
9 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 @ 21.190073
10 Hungary_CA_I1497 @ 22.445066
11 Iceman_MN_SG @ 23.706524
12 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 @ 23.946289
13 Baalberge_MN_I0560 @ 24.363352
14 Iberia_M_ I0406 @ 24.849651
15 Potapovka_I0419 @ 24.862066
16 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 @ 24.881733
17 Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 25.209015
18 Srubnaya_I0430 @ 26.081520
19 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 @ 26.534245
20 Iberia_EN_I0412 @ 27.564608

Using 2 populations approximation:

1 50% Potapovka_I0419 +50% Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 6.108054

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 +25% Iceman_MN_SG +25% LBK_EN_I0054 @ 5.978376

Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bichon + Iberia_EN_I0412 + Iberia_EN_I0412 + Armenian_MBA @ 5.854621
2 Bichon + Iberia_EN_I0412 + Iberia_EN_I0412 + Armenian_MBA @ 5.854621
3 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 + Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Iceman_MN_SG + Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 5.857054
4 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + Hungary_CA_I1497 + Iceman_MN_SG @ 5.858821
5 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 + Srubnaya_I0430 + Hungary_EN_I0495 + Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 5.872584
6 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + Iceman_MN_SG + Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 5.873612
7 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 + Srubnaya_I0430 + Iceman_MN_SG + Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 5.898738
8 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 + Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Hungary_EN_I0495 + Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 5.899479
9 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Alberstedt_LN_I0118 + Hungary_CA_I1497 + Iceman_MN_SG @ 5.915344
10 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + Srubnaya_I0430 + Hungary_CA_I1497 + Hungary_CA_I1497 @ 5.928813
11 Afanasievo_SG_RISE511 + Hungary_BA_I1502 + Iceman_MN_SG + Stuttgart_SG @ 5.928930
12 Bichon + Iceman_MN_SG + Iberia_EN_I0412 + Armenian_MBA @ 5.935550
13 Bichon + Iceman_MN_SG + Iberia_EN_I0412 + Armenian_MBA @ 5.935550
14 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + Iceman_MN_SG + Iceman_MN_SG @ 5.935812
15 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + Hungary_CA_I1497 + Iberia_EN_I0412 @ 5.939023
16 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + Hungary_CA_I1497 + Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 5.948110
17 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + Srubnaya_I0430 + Hungary_CA_I1497 + Iceman_MN_SG @ 5.949192
18 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 + Potapovka_I0419 + Iceman_MN_SG + Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 5.956762
19 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 + Srubnaya_I0430 + Hungary_CA_I1497 + Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 5.960017
20 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 + Srubnaya_I0430 + Hungary_CA_I1497 + Stuttgart_SG @ 5.966040

Done.

Elapsed time 0.0582 seconds.

1 Bichon + Iberia_EN_I0412 + Iberia_EN_I0412 + Armenian_MBA @ 5.854621

WHG = Bichon
EEF = Iberia_EN
CHG = Armenian_MBA
 
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imo, I often get inaccurate Gedmatch results, but I didn’t realize until now that Gedrosia K3 makes me 100% Spanish @ 0.000000 - ... Astonishing!

How is that possible ??? ... Somehow they got my DNA and mislabeled it? ... my twin? my clone? a coincidence?

But I knew that the Gedrosia Anc.Eurasia K6 makes me 100% Italian_South!
weird, maybe somehow my RAW-Data is being used without my permission, maybe!

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AW9JIyW.jpg
 
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imo, I often get inaccurate Gedmatch results, but I didn’t realize until now that Gedrosia K3 makes me 100% Spanish @ 0.000000 - ... Astonishing!
How is that possible ??? ... Somehow they got my DNA and mislabeled? ... my twin? my clone? a coincidence?
But I knew that the Gedrosia Anc.Eurasia K6 makes me 100% Italian_South!
weird, maybe somehow my RAW-Data is being used without my permission, ������ maybe!
IvIN7qu.jpg

AW9JIyW.jpg

@Salento
@ 0.000000. OMG!! lol. I believe that no Spaniard or Iberian would achieve this feat (unless you include your coordinates in the input data). Now you also could go on to consider the possibility to have many bastard ancestors considering the results of this algorithm combined with respective standard-spreadsheet of populations.
:petrified::LOL::LOL:
 
@Salento
@ 0.000000. OMG!! lol. I believe that no Spaniard or Iberian would achieve this feat (unless you include your coordinates in the input data). Now you also could go on to consider the possibility to have many bastard ancestors considering the results of this algorithm combined with respective standard-spreadsheet of populations.

:petrified::LOL::LOL:

I should’ve been a Matador, ... or the King of Spain!

.... very strange ... :)
 
I'm getting close to 0 but not quite yet:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Armenian @ 0.265083
2 Georgian @ 0.958684
3 Assyrian @ 1.430235
4 Bulgarian @ 1.657254
5 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 1.844671
6 Iranian_Jew @ 1.926663
7 Sicilian @ 2.194615

Au contraire with Gedrosia Ancient, I achieved it with a 4 population Oracle:

Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Albanian + French + Jew_Ashkenazi + Kumyk @ 0.000000
2 Assyrian + Hungarian + Hungarian + Jew_Ashkenazi @ 0.000000
3 Chechen + Druze + Estonian + Sardinian @ 0.000000
4 Druze + Estonian + Lezgin + Sardinian @ 0.000000


 
imo, I often get inaccurate Gedmatch results, but I didn’t realize until now that Gedrosia K3 makes me 100% Spanish @ 0.000000 - ... Astonishing!

How is that possible ??? ... Somehow they got my DNA and mislabeled it? ... my twin? my clone? a coincidence?

But I knew that the Gedrosia Anc.Eurasia K6 makes me 100% Italian_South!
weird, maybe somehow my RAW-Data is being used without my permission, maybe!

IvIN7qu.jpg

AW9JIyW.jpg

So, someone who is at 2 and 3 and 4 populations all Italian South is 100% Spanish?

Um...maybe it's just a terrible calculator? :)


@Snake: Ditto. :)

So maybe my husband isn't Greek or Ashkenazi after all. :)
 
out of curiosity, ... other Southern Italians should run Gedrosia K3 too ...

just wondering ...

at Gedrosia K3 I get 100% Spanish (my clone @ 0.000000)

at Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6 I get 100% Italian_South too!
 
out of curiosity, ... other Southern Italians should run Gedrosia K3 too ...

just wondering ...

Your wish is my command. :)

My husband's:

[FONT=&quot]Using 1 population approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Spanish @ 0.867597[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Sicilian @ 0.941571[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Cypriot @ 0.974318[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Greek @ 1.928717[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Albanian @ 2.417001[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.476734[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Armenian @ 2.511045[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Assyrian @ 2.558610[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Bulgarian @ 2.807593[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 French @ 2.881117[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Iraqi_Jew @ 2.917643[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Sardinian @ 2.926925[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 French_South @ 2.996346[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 LBK_EN @ 3.089410[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Georgian @ 3.093184[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Bergamo @ 3.151976[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Croatian @ 3.196975[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 English @ 3.223508[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Czech @ 3.278074[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Norwegian @ 3.370583

Something is definitely wrong with it.[/FONT]
 
Your wish is my command. :)

My husband's:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish @ 0.867597
2 Sicilian @ 0.941571
3 Cypriot @ 0.974318
4 Greek @ 1.928717
5 Albanian @ 2.417001
6 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.476734
7 Armenian @ 2.511045
8 Assyrian @ 2.558610
9 Bulgarian @ 2.807593
10 French @ 2.881117
11 Iraqi_Jew @ 2.917643
12 Sardinian @ 2.926925
13 French_South @ 2.996346
14 LBK_EN @ 3.089410
15 Georgian @ 3.093184
16 Bergamo @ 3.151976
17 Croatian @ 3.196975
18 English @ 3.223508
19 Czech @ 3.278074
20 Norwegian @ 3.370583

Something is definitely wrong with it.

thanks, I ran out of votes for today, I’ll vote tomorrow :)
 
GEDmatch Gedrosia K3 - Mine - lol

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Saudi @ 2.030982
2 Lebanese @ 2.152247
3 Yemenite_Jew @ 2.579056
4 Palestinian @ 3.894059
5 Syrian @ 4.131645
6 Jordanian @ 5.073280
7 Iraqi_Jew @ 5.370116
8 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 6.209241
9 Iranian_Jew @ 6.367769
10 Assyrian @ 6.586124
11 Cypriot @ 6.987035
12 Sicilian @ 7.033988
13 Georgian_Jew @ 7.334672
14 Armenian @ 7.690879
15 Kurd_N @ 8.376530
16 Kurd_C @ 8.657846
17 Spanish @ 8.825925
18 Georgian @ 8.916322
19 Abkhasian @ 9.458773
20 Bulgarian @ 9.628562

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% BedouinA +50% Greek @ 0.000000 (lol)
2 50% Albanian +50% BedouinA @ 0.421350
3 50% BedouinA +50% Spanish @ 0.517402
4 50% BedouinA +50% French_South @ 0.560565
5 50% BedouinA +50% French @ 0.570079
6 50% BedouinA +50% English @ 0.633081
7 50% BedouinA +50% Bergamo @ 0.643706
8 50% BedouinA +50% Sardinian @ 0.827044
9 50% BedouinA +50% LBK_EN @ 0.871586
10 50% BedouinA +50% Croatian @ 0.900738
11 50% BedouinA +50% Czech @ 0.952264
12 50% Iraqi_Jew +50% Palestinian @ 0.959639
13 50% BedouinA +50% Norwegian @ 1.092067
14 50% BedouinA +50% Bulgarian @ 1.119382
15 50% Iraqi_Jew +50% Yemenite_Jew @ 1.391651
16 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Palestinian @ 1.409241
17 50% BedouinA +50% Sicilian @ 1.410521
18 50% BedouinA +50% Cypriot @ 1.437648
19 50% BedouinA +50% Hungarian @ 1.452466
20 50% BedouinA +50% Stuttgart @ 1.480392


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% BedouinA +25% Bergamo +25% Greek @ 0.000000 (lol)

Done.

Elapsed time 0.0123 seconds.
 
All in all, in my opinion it makes sense ...


@Palermo Trapani: the main share is Neolithic European (Sardinian-like: Oetzi and analogues) + a secondary "Armenian" share of the Bronze Age which almost certainly contains a robust CHG component, which arrived in southern Italy especially with the upheavals in the Mediterranean at the final Bronze Age (see Cline) and with the subsequent Greek colonization of the classical age


@ Duarte: here too the main component is almost always attributable to the usual Neolithic substrate, but as it is right to expect for those who are from the Iberian stock, this and / or the secondary quota are enriched with more or less consistent percentages of WHG


@ Gabriele: you have more or less my own "mixture", so the neolithic base + the secondary Steppe component (perhaps in your case a little more of CHG, given that Armenian sample appears)

Here I tried to run some of the samples adopted by the PunDNAL oracle on G25 using some ancestral reference components

101556225_304431703904434_3631670259250888704_n.png





@ Salento/Angela/Duarte: Gedrosia K3 is a calculator that could make sense only for some alien or for those who are a little allergic to human geography. In 3.000 years they will still ask about its actual purpose, but in practice it serves just to distinguish (badly) Africans, from Europeans, from Asians ... (according to him I would be Provencal ...) :D
 
All in all, in my opinion it makes sense ...


@Palermo Trapani: the main share is Neolithic European (Sardinian-like: Oetzi and analogues) + a secondary "Armenian" share of the Bronze Age which almost certainly contains a robust CHG component, which arrived in southern Italy especially with the upheavals in the Mediterranean at the final Bronze Age (see Cline) and with the subsequent Greek colonization of the classical age


@ Duarte: here too the main component is almost always attributable to the usual Neolithic substrate, but as it is right to expect for those who are from the Iberian stock, this and / or the secondary quota are enriched with more or less consistent percentages of WHG


@ Gabriele: you have more or less my own "mixture", so the neolithic base + the secondary Steppe component (perhaps in your case a little more of CHG, given that Armenian sample appears)

Here I tried to run some of the samples adopted by the PunDNAL oracle on G25 using some ancestral reference components

101556225_304431703904434_3631670259250888704_n.png





@ Salento: Gedrosia K3 is a calculator that could make sense only for some alien or for those who are a little allergic to human geography. In 3.000 years they will still ask about its actual purpose, but in practice it serves just to distinguish Africans, from Europeans, from Asians ... (according to him I would be Provencal ...) :D

Thanks Stuvanè (y)
 
All in all, in my opinion it makes sense ...


@Palermo Trapani: the main share is Neolithic European (Sardinian-like: Oetzi and analogues) + a secondary "Armenian" share of the Bronze Age which almost certainly contains a robust CHG component, which arrived in southern Italy especially with the upheavals in the Mediterranean at the final Bronze Age (see Cline) and with the subsequent Greek colonization of the classical age


@ Duarte: here too the main component is almost always attributable to the usual Neolithic substrate, but as it is right to expect for those who are from the Iberian stock, this and / or the secondary quota are enriched with more or less consistent percentages of WHG


@ Gabriele: you have more or less my own "mixture", so the neolithic base + the secondary Steppe component (perhaps in your case a little more of CHG, given that Armenian sample appears)

Here I tried to run some of the samples adopted by the PunDNAL oracle on G25 using some ancestral reference components

101556225_304431703904434_3631670259250888704_n.png





@ Salento/Angela/Duarte: Gedrosia K3 is a calculator that could make sense only for some alien or for those who are a little allergic to human geography. In 3.000 years they will still ask about its actual purpose, but in practice it serves just to distinguish (badly) Africans, from Europeans, from Asians ... (according to him I would be Provencal ...) :D

I'm your neighbor. :)
[FONT=&quot]Using 1 population approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 French_South @ 0.000000[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Bergamo @ 0.501055[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 English @ 0.749153[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 French @ 1.084623[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Albanian @ 1.218233[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 LBK_EN @ 1.276386[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Greek @ 1.287931[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Sardinian @ 1.291654[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Croatian @ 1.932827[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 Spanish @ 2.004524[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Czech @ 2.034308[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Stuttgart @ 2.045782[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Norwegian @ 2.371137[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 Bulgarian @ 2.793209[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Hungarian @ 3.257035[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Lithuanian @ 3.402356[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Sicilian @ 3.799302[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 Georgian @ 3.836918[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Cypriot @ 3.845514[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Ukrainian @ 4.203940[/FONT]
 
All in all, in my opinion it makes sense ...


@Palermo Trapani: the main share is Neolithic European (Sardinian-like: Oetzi and analogues) + a secondary "Armenian" share of the Bronze Age which almost certainly contains a robust CHG component, which arrived in southern Italy especially with the upheavals in the Mediterranean at the final Bronze Age (see Cline) and with the subsequent Greek colonization of the classical age


@ Duarte: here too the main component is almost always attributable to the usual Neolithic substrate, but as it is right to expect for those who are from the Iberian stock, this and / or the secondary quota are enriched with more or less consistent percentages of WHG


@ Gabriele: you have more or less my own "mixture", so the neolithic base + the secondary Steppe component (perhaps in your case a little more of CHG, given that Armenian sample appears)

Here I tried to run some of the samples adopted by the PunDNAL oracle on G25 using some ancestral reference components

101556225_304431703904434_3631670259250888704_n.png





@ Salento/Angela/Duarte: Gedrosia K3 is a calculator that could make sense only for some alien or for those who are a little allergic to human geography. In 3.000 years they will still ask about its actual purpose, but in practice it serves just to distinguish (badly) Africans, from Europeans, from Asians ... (according to him I would be Provencal ...) :D

Following Duarte, Grazie Mille Stuvane. So I think that PuntDNA ancient is inline with the recent research documented by Raveane et al 2019, Neolithic EEF type ancestry is the dominate source, which is the case in all modern 20 Italian regions and with a strong secondary CHG/Iran Neolithic type ancestry in Southern Italy and Sicily and CHG I think extending into North of Rome.

Glad to got me to take a loot at it. I think probably the first tool that looks at Ancient DNA and gets results that I think make sense with what MTA is telling me about ancient populations and it again lines up with Raveane et al 2019 Figure 2 results.
 
All in all, in my opinion it makes sense ...


@Palermo Trapani: the main share is Neolithic European (Sardinian-like: Oetzi and analogues) + a secondary "Armenian" share of the Bronze Age which almost certainly contains a robust CHG component, which arrived in southern Italy especially with the upheavals in the Mediterranean at the final Bronze Age (see Cline) and with the subsequent Greek colonization of the classical age


@ Duarte: here too the main component is almost always attributable to the usual Neolithic substrate, but as it is right to expect for those who are from the Iberian stock, this and / or the secondary quota are enriched with more or less consistent percentages of WHG


@ Gabriele: you have more or less my own "mixture", so the neolithic base + the secondary Steppe component (perhaps in your case a little more of CHG, given that Armenian sample appears)

Here I tried to run some of the samples adopted by the PunDNAL oracle on G25 using some ancestral reference components

101556225_304431703904434_3631670259250888704_n.png





@ Salento/Angela/Duarte: Gedrosia K3 is a calculator that could make sense only for some alien or for those who are a little allergic to human geography. In 3.000 years they will still ask about its actual purpose, but in practice it serves just to distinguish (badly) Africans, from Europeans, from Asians ... (according to him I would be Provencal ...) :D

I'm your neighbor. :)
Using 1 population approximation:
1 French_South @ 0.000000
2 Bergamo @ 0.501055
3 English @ 0.749153
4 French @ 1.084623
5 Albanian @ 1.218233
6 LBK_EN @ 1.276386
7 Greek @ 1.287931
8 Sardinian @ 1.291654
9 Croatian @ 1.932827
10 Spanish @ 2.004524
11 Czech @ 2.034308
12 Stuttgart @ 2.045782
13 Norwegian @ 2.371137
14 Bulgarian @ 2.793209
15 Hungarian @ 3.257035
16 Lithuanian @ 3.402356
17 Sicilian @ 3.799302
18 Georgian @ 3.836918
19 Cypriot @ 3.845514
20 Ukrainian @ 4.203940


One thing of note, I think. This PUNT K12 seems to give much higher levels of steppe for Southern Europeans than do the academic studies. I think steppe here may include what in other analyses might be Iran Neo.
 
[FONT=&quot]K3

Using 1 population approximation:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1 Cypriot @ 0.000000[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Sicilian @ 0.000000

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Using 3 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 50% Albanian +25% Bergamo +25% Saudi @ 0.000000

K12

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Using 1 population approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Greek @ 14.144091[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Sicilian @ 18.563683[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Using 3 populations approximation:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1 50% Greek +25% Russian +25% Stuttgart @ 4.575474
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
K6

1 Spanish @ 3.253918[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2 French @ 3.536413[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Croatian @ 4.155406[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Hungarian @ 4.755836[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 English @ 6.161438[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Romanian @ 6.428096[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Czech @ 6.509709[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Scottish @ 7.430361[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Ukrainian @ 8.017553[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 Bulgarian @ 8.058025[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Basque @ 8.199252[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Norwegian @ 8.529338[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Icelandic @ 9.744299[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 Europe_LNBA @ 10.917182[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
1 Albanian + Cypriot + Hungarian_KO1 + Palestinian @ 0.825008[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
2 Albanian + Cypriot + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.825008[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]
 
K3

Using 1 population approximation:

1 Cypriot @ 0.000000
2 Sicilian @ 0.000000

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Bergamo +25% Saudi @ 0.000000

K12

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 14.144091
2 Sicilian @ 18.563683

Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Greek +25% Russian +25% Stuttgart @ 4.575474

K6

1 Spanish @ 3.253918

2 French @ 3.536413
3 Croatian @ 4.155406
4 Hungarian @ 4.755836
5 English @ 6.161438
6 Romanian @ 6.428096
7 Czech @ 6.509709
8 Scottish @ 7.430361
9 Ukrainian @ 8.017553
10 Bulgarian @ 8.058025
11 Basque @ 8.199252
12 Norwegian @ 8.529338
13 Icelandic @ 9.744299
14 Europe_LNBA @ 10.917182

1 Albanian + Cypriot + Hungarian_KO1 + Palestinian @ 0.825008

2 Albanian + Cypriot + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.825008



Gedrosia K3 has some East/West Europe samples switched or reversed.

... the results we posted show that.

The Legacy of Atlantis :)

 

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