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Duarte: Nice results (post #3549) with the Broion samples. I know you got some good distances with some of the Northern Italian Clustered samples in Antonio et al 2019 as well. So some consistent results across the two different samples used in the Antonio et al 2019 and Saupe et al 2021 papers.
Hello Trapani.
Yes. I take many matches that go back to BA in these region of Europe (Northeast Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Northwest Serbia, Dalmatia). Once again, IMO, MTA slips on old samples labeling. Heneti (Veneti) ???
The Veneti are much later culture.
Yes, they do get sloppy with there archeological labeling. Still a big fan of the product.
Hello Trapani.
Yes. I take many matches that go back to BA in these region of Europe (Northeast Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Northwest Serbia, Dalmatia). Once again, IMO, MTA slips on old samples labeling. Heneti (Veneti) ???
The Veneti are much later culture.
Heneti/Veneti they refer to are the Eneti a Palaic people from north-west Asia minor ( anatolia ) who have been linked with the Veneti of Italy and the Istrians ( histrians )
The country of Pala can be located in the Black Sea region. There are two possibilities where Pala may have laid in this region. The first possibility is the country known as Paphlagonia in classical antiquity. The second possibility is the territory which was called Blaene in antiquity. Both equations are based on phonetic similarity. A country named *Bla leading to Blaene in cuneiform script only could have been written as pa-la-a.[4]
History
In the Old Hittite period Pala was mentioned as an administrative area under Hittite jurisdiction in the Hittite laws.[5] At the end of the Old Hittite period, contact between the Hittites and Pala ceased because of the Kaskian capture of the Black Sea region.[6] It is likely that the Palaic peoples disappeared with the Kaskian invasion.[7]
Thanks by the explanations Torzio.
np
I have no links with these new Heneti on the site ................guess my line was already in Europe before these people came in the late bronze-age
Thanks again Torzio
I was directed by MTA that put the pic below in the explanations about the Heneti in the app. The pic that they put was taked from this topic published in Wikipedia that talks about the Heneti.
Wiki:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti
Where did you see this in MTA .....i upgraded an hour ago and I still see nothing on these in any of my 3 samples
this is the only new one I got
37. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.62 - STR310
Top 96 % match vs all users
apart from the 4 x Hellenic ones yesterday
In my case I fellow these steps: Firs, I select the ‘i’ (information), that is the blue button available at the end of the sample discription. After, I select the tab ‘Closest Ancient’. In the sequence I cick in the term (Heneti), that appear soon after the artistic pic of the Heneti warriors, and the Italy’s Iron Age map is displayed. I see the same map in English Wikipedia and Italian Wikipedia searching by the term ‘Veneti’.
It’s my 57 matching sample
57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
1452 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - BRC003
Top match vs all usersThese ancient sample is more closest to modern Iberians, according MTA.
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