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Scythian Southern Moldova (deep dive)

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my father only has this

Scythian Moldova 300 BC


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mtDNA: [Upgrade to see]Y-DNA: [Upgrade to see]
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 28)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 17.04 cM
Largest chain: 113 SNPs / 14.75 cM


Your raw DNA is 60% closer than other matching users..................says 60%
 
Do you really think? If they find there that one of 10 SNPs matches those of the ancient character, then they say he's your brother, I think. :)

sometimes, ... not that often, I’ve been known to think too :)

I’m just a consumer of this product.
 
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How interesting philistine and avar. It is said that the Philistines were an Egyptian branch in the Near East and received contributions from southern Europe for a period and then became more local, how short-lived the contributions are for some and how much for others.

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It seems to be that and according to the story that the Philistines were diluted in the Aquemenid Empire that apparently and according to the sources began in 550 b.c. and came to occupy the current territories of Iran, Iraq, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Russia, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Greece and Egypt and whose capitals were Babylon and Persepolis and whose dissolution was in 330 b.c.
 
I get SZ19. It is a "Langobard" from a Langobard cemetery in Hungary. That person is not of Northern European origin but of Central Italian origin.

Does anyone get Oetzi? 3300 BC, 91.48 cM.
 
I get SZ19. It is a "Langobard" from a Langobard cemetery in Hungary. That person is not of Northern European origin but of Central Italian origin.

Does anyone get Oetzi? 3300 BC, 91.48 cM.

There were unlikely Central Italians in Hungary, Mytrueancestry's labels are invented and completely inaccurate. Any kind of similarity has likely nothing to do with Italians but with a genetic profile that could very well have been present in Hungary at that precise time. SZ19 was a female and similar to a sample from Iron Age Bulgaria I5769.
 
SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.
 
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How interesting philistine and avar. It is said that the Philistines were an Egyptian branch in the Near East and received contributions from southern Europe for a period and then became more local, how short-lived the contributions are for some and how much for others.

Imperio-Aquemenida-mapa-persas-territorio.jpg



It seems to be that and according to the story that the Philistines were diluted in the Aquemenid Empire that apparently and according to the sources began in 550 b.c. and came to occupy the current territories of Iran, Iraq, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Russia, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Greece and Egypt and whose capitals were Babylon and Persepolis and whose dissolution was in 330 b.c.

Philistines came from eastern Crete

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/ancient-dna-reveal-philistine-origins/

further archeology done by the israeli's in Ashkelon since 2019 , further proves they are cretan in origin
 
Philistines came from eastern Crete

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/ancient-dna-reveal-philistine-origins/

further archeology done by the israeli's in Ashkelon since 2019 , further proves they are cretan in origin

They are mentioned in the "table of nations" in the Book of Genesis, where they are attributed to be descendants of Mizraim (i.e., from Egypt), as are the Kaftorim (i.e., those of Kaftor); since the latter have been related to the people the Egyptians called Keftiu (supposedly of Cretan origin), several theories have developed from there that determine that the origin of the Philistine people would be in Crete, the Aegean Sea or Asia Minor. This relationship, however, is also a matter of academic debate. Recent DNA analysis of individuals buried in the Philistine city of Ascalon shows that the Philistines were an intrusive population in the Middle East and that their closest relatives were in Sardinia, Greece or Spain, and were of European origin.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filisteos#Origen


Another puzzle as in almost all the cases we are dealing with. To say categorically that they were from Crete is not very convincing. It should have been a composition like everything we are seeing around here lately in reference to other ethnicities e.t.c.

Why haven't you published the haplogroups of this study in the article?


I have been curious to see my results during the time of the Archemenid Empire.

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SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.


In the paper SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample because they used very few reference samples in the study, IBS covers more the southwestern Europe and TSI the southern-central and southern-eastern Europe, so it was an extremely rough calculation. The paper had neither the interest nor the necessary samples to make the results more precise. These models cannot in any way suggest an exact provenance. You cannot expect that in Central Europe there were only people like the modern Hungarians (Central European) or the early Lombards (northern European), it was a period of great movements. SZ19 could have been of mixed ancestry and we will never know where she came from.

This was posted by Duarte a couple of years ago:

Kit Number: Z947904 (96,401 SNPs)
Name: SZ19
1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.377185
1 Greek_Macedonia + Sardinian + Sicilian_Center + Sicilian_Center @ 3.155044

Just another estimate

Ancestry composition of sample: SZ19 Population: Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_o1 Medieval Europe


http://open-genomes.org/analysis/PC...-0-limit-0-only-Modern-exclude-Ashkenazi_Jew&


Even comparing SZ19 with the other ancient samples does not give a definite answer of a provenance from Italy.

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SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.

Ozzie: A follow up to your post and Pax Augusta's, take a look at the paper by Amorim et al (2018) published in Nature entitled "Understanding 6th-century barbarian social organization and migration through paleogenomics". Figure 3 is one that I think makes things very clear, if you don't want to read through the paper. As Pax Augusta noted, the ancestry in those 2 sites is varied showing affinities with various populations in Europe. The ones in Blue seem to have more affinity with Central and Northern Europeans, the ones in Read Southern, for the most part.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4

All of my ancestors are from Sicily (rural regions of Trapani, Palermo, Agrigento from the Belice Valley to the mountain regions of Agrigento) immigrating to the USA between 1890 and 1905. I too get 3 Deep Dive matches at My True Ancestry, the samples CL36 (which is excluded in the study do to falling outside the same time period), SZ32 and CL38.

My distances using Eurogenes K13, only because it is the only one that I think has the samples from the Amorim et al 2018 paper. I used a gradiant of 100 to clearly show the distances. I also included the Single estimation for the Model which gives me a distance of 1.3 with SZ40, SZ32, SZ19, CL25 and CL31 being sources. I reviewed those samples and all have the Red (TSI) as a predominate source of ancestry. Of course, that does not mean those samples came from Tuscany (maybe they did), but suggest TSI is a proxy that captures the their ancestry. Had they used other population averages from different regions of Italy, maybe it shows from Campania, Puglia, etc, etc. Anyway, the fact that you are getting some links is not out of the question but at the same time I don' want to speak for you or anyone else for that matter.

Regard, PT

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
2.83136010SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
9.74105230CL121_longobard_north_italy
10.92390498SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp
11.47086745CL38_longobard_north_italy
11.88104373CL30_longobard_north_italy
12.61992076SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century
12.62005547CL25_longobard_north_italy
13.54852390SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp
13.81725733SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
13.90545576SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
16.18128240SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp
16.21174574SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary
16.43947688SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp
17.21992741CL36_longobard_north_italy
19.74447771CL31_longobard_north_italy
21.47632417CL23_longobard_north_italy
21.64031885SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
25.45926550SZ27_Hungary_Langobard_1475_ybp
25.69002919CL49_longobard_north_italy
27.63334761CL94_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp
28.00719550SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
28.83064342CL57_longobard_north_italy
29.56902433CL47_longobard_north_italy
29.74667040SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
31.02043359CL53_longobard_north_italy
32.04210667CL63_longobard_north_italy
34.18694195SZ5_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
37.16028794CL102_longobard_north_italy
37.74321926SZ3_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
38.78335468SZ23_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
40.24229119SZ38_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
40.93615273SZ24_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
41.06428862SZ42_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
41.24250114SZ8_Hungary_Langobard_sister.SZ14_sister.SZ6_1442_ybp
42.71424118SZ25_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
43.69781802CL87_longobard_north_italy
44.38773705SZ14_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
45.16650086SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
45.70292660SZ30_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
46.69101627SZ11_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
48.72746043SZ22_Longobard_
48.78355358SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
48.80596582CL83_longobard_north_italy
48.99489667SZ7_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
49.19634743CL92_longobard_north_italy
49.87138458CL84_longobard_north_italy
50.57795666CL93_longobard_north_italy
51.17443307SZ4_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
51.60940806SZ9_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
51.86100365SZ16_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
51.94972281CL146_Longobard_
52.19776815SZ13_Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother.SZ22_1469_ybp
52.65284988SZ41_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
53.03977187CL145_longobard_north_italy
55.05550018CL151_longobard_north_italy
55.62194801SZ2_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 1.3418% / 1.34176160 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.6SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
16.3CL25_longobard_north_italy
16.0SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp
4.3CL31_longobard_north_italy
2.8SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
 
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... my recent post about SZ19:
she shares some SNPs with me but not with anyone else, and almost all of my chrome samples share SNPs with each other.

I get SZ19, ... but in my chrome analysis she does NOT share SNPs with my other samples.
She’s alone.
... could be that SZ19's DNA is low in quality (17%), or she’s just different from them.

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Hey Salento, how are you? thanks for the post. SZ19 does not show up for me as a Deep Dive, but does show up in my Model (ADC 0.25X) and is my 3rd closest single distance of those samples from Amorim et al 2018. I would think your single distances for these samples approximates mine.

Cheers, PT
 
... my recent post about SZ19:
she shares some SNPs with me but not with anyone else, and almost all of my chrome samples share SNPs with each other.


I have this one as


[h=4]Central Roman / Mixed 590 AD[/h]
[h=4] SZ19
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mtDNA: HV9c
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 17)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 7.31 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 3.45 cM


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[h=6]You are a top 95 % match to this sample! This makes your relationship to this individual exceptional.[/h]
Chr. 2
291 SNPs



Chr. 3
104 SNPs




Chr. 7
135 SNPs
 
Hey Salento, how are you? thanks for the post. SZ19 does not show up for me as a Deep Dive, but does show up in my Model (ADC 0.25X) and is my 3rd closest single distance of those samples from Amorim et al 2018. I would think your single distances for these samples approximates mine.

Cheers, PT

@PT
I’m sure they are as our results are not that different.
But, I don’t know what you ran to get those results :)
 
I have this one as


Central Roman / Mixed 590 AD


SZ19





mtDNA: HV9c
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 17)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 7.31 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 3.45 cM


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You are a top 95 % match to this sample! This makes your relationship to this individual exceptional.


Chr. 2
291 SNPs



Chr. 3
104 SNPs




Chr. 7
135 SNPs

@ Torzio
... my SZ19 deep dive, ... we both got a Prize with it! lol

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... more Szolad “Ancient Relatives” (deep dive):

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I think I saw from the beginning that it is another scam when they gave matches of tens and hundreds... of cM after thousands of years. I would not be surprised if, after the IPs of the applicants, identifying their location, it would be even easier for them to tell beautiful stories.

If that’s the case, I should have come out a Mohegan or a Pequot :)

... about the cM, it all depends on how low the cM value is set up in the program when the site runs it.
 

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