Mytrueancestry.com

Are these dalmatian samples not from the bronze age period?
When does the iron -age begin

I was asking you what they were, I thought you knew. Using PCA with samples found in Bronze Age Croatia, and Iron Age Moldova and Bulgaria, positions change a little in PCA. I've found that two Bronze Age Croatia samples plot close Bergamo, too little to draw any conclusion. These two Croatian BA samples are there because they have more EEF than modern Croatians. Nothing more than that. It would be useful to do these PCAs not only using the G25.


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Back in topic, Mytrueancestry.com is nothing more than Eurogenes K15 with ancient samples.
 
I was asking you what they were, I thought you knew. Using PCA with samples found in Bronze Age Croatia, and Iron Age Moldova and Bulgaria, positions change a little in PCA. I've found that two Bronze Age Croatia samples plot close Bergamo, too little to draw any conclusion. These two Croatian BA samples are there because they have more EEF than modern Croatians. Nothing more than that. It would be useful to do these PCAs not only using the G25.
661yMIS.jpg
Iirc, they are all late bronze-age..

Thanks for pca data

Can you do the 900bc thraco-cimmerian, sample MJ12
 
I was asking you what they were, I thought you knew. Using PCA with samples found in Bronze Age Croatia, and Iron Age Moldova and Bulgaria, positions change a little in PCA. I've found that two Bronze Age Croatia samples plot close Bergamo, too little to draw any conclusion. These two Croatian BA samples are there because they have more EEF than modern Croatians. Nothing more than that. It would be useful to do these PCAs not only using the G25.


661yMIS.jpg

Interesting. On this PCA French South and French East are quite a bit further apart than Bergamo and Sicily.

I guess there's no France or French people either.
 
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I have more of an affinity towards the south French. No doubt it has to do with the Roman, and Greek colonies that settled there as well.

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It's ok for the French to claim they are French even though there are large differences between the different areas, maybe larger than the differences in Italy, and apologies have been issued to Macedonians, Thracians and Thessalians for questioning whether or not they are "really" Greek.

It's only Italians who have no right to ethnic self-determination on anthroforums.

We fought and died to kick the foreign overlords out and unify too, and in World War II the Italian soldiers who were asked by the Germans to turn in their weapons and then mowed down weren't asked whether they came from Bari or Milano, nor were the women and children burned alive asked what kind of Italians they were.

Enough...
 
It's ok for the French to claim they are French even though there are large differences between the different areas, maybe larger than the differences in Italy, and apologies have been issued to Macedonians, Thracians and Thessalians for questioning whether or not they are "really" Greek.

It's only Italians who have no right to ethnic self-determination on anthroforums.

We fought and died to kick the foreign overlords out and unify too, and in World War II the Italian soldiers who were asked by the Germans to turn in their weapons and then mowed down weren't asked whether they came from Bari or Milano, nor were the women and children burned alive asked what kind of Italians they were.

Enough...

I completely agree!
 
I really can't think why "national consciousness" should be set against genetic "ethnicity". The sense one has of belonging to a national community, with all the historic and cultural package it involves, is one thing. Trying to sort out the genetic nuances that distinguish each region, area, or sub-area, is another. Both of those concerns are not only distinct, but also complementary. There's richness in diversity. So where's the problem? We'd all go bored if our nations were well-defined, monolithic genetic blocks. We'd read a paper or two, and pass on to something else.

By the way, there's genetic diversity among Spaniards too. East Anglia and Cornwall are genetically distinct. Bavarians aren't the same as North Germans. Scandinavians can be split into subgroups. Not to mention the vast Slavic sphere...

I love my Auvergne, and its stubborn, unruly, tight-fisted, hard-working people. I also feel culturally French, heir to a literature and a history that define the lines along which I think and behave. I feel a distinct kinship with my European cousins. I have friends in Africa, India, etc... And I feel quite comfortable with it all.
 
Can someone explain what does this mean?

I'm from berber ancestry:

[h=2]Closest population distances[/h]
[h=3]Population[/h][h=3]Distance[/h]
[h=4]N_Levant_AinGhazal5[/h][h=4]1.870476[/h]
[h=4]i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD[/h][h=4]2.834692[/h]
[h=4]I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD[/h][h=4]2.894014[/h]
[h=4]i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD[/h][h=4]2.998486[/h]
[h=4]I3578_EMA_Andalusia[/h][h=4]3.414028[/h]
[h=4]Egyptian_mumy_I_JK2888_[/h][h=4]3.660159[/h]
[h=4]I0867_Levant_PPNB[/h][h=4]3.757508[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1[/h][h=4]3.776276[/h]
 

Your closest Ancient populations...

Seleucid Empire - Romans - Hellenic Romans

Seleucid + Roman (7.242)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (8.25)
Roman (11.19)
Hellenic Roman (12.57)
Seleucid (14.22)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.19 - SZ36
Top 97% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71 - SZ43
Top 97% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.79 - SZ32
Top 97% match vs all users

4. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.57 - CL121
Top 96% match vs all users

5. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 12.65 - NS3b
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 14.22 - MA2198
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 14.74 - CL36
Top 93% match vs all users

8. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 15.03 - SZ40
Top 93% match vs all users

9. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) ..... 15.53 - CL30
Top 95% match vs all users

10. Pontic Greek (300 AD) ..... 15.81 - Ker1
Top 98% match vs all users

11. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 16.69 - SI-53
Top 97% match vs all users

12. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) ..... 17.07 - SZ19
Top 93% match vs all users

13. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) ..... 17.15 - CL25
Top 94% match vs all users

14. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) ..... 17.23 - CL38
Top 93% match vs all users

15. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 17.29 - I9033
Top 94% match vs all users

16. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 17.86 - I7424
Top 92% match vs all users

17. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 18.18 - SI-41
Top 93% match vs all users

18. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 19.11 - NS3c
Top 89% match vs all users

19. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 19.3 - SZ28
Top 86% match vs all users

20. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 19.48 - I3575
Top 89% match vs all users

21. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 19.52 - CL23
Top 87% match vs all users

22. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 19.53 - I7499
Top 91% match vs all users

23. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 19.55 - I9041
Top 94% match vs all users

24. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) ..... 20.04 - Rise397
Top 99% match vs all users

25. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 20.57 - I12031
Top 57% match vs all users

26. Torna Alta Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 20.91 - I3808
Top 92% match vs all users

27. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 20.97 - scy192
Top 86% match vs all users

28. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) ..... 21.0 - I0184
Top 95% match vs all users

29. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 21.17 - I4332
Top 80% match vs all users

30. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 21.17 - I5769
Top 80% match vs all users

31. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 21.78 - I3576
Top 86% match vs all users

32. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 21.99 - SZ45
Top 31% match vs all users

33. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 22.31 - I3313
Top 65% match vs all users

34. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) ..... 22.38 - I4930
Top 94% match vs all users

35. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 22.72 - I7425
Top 81% match vs all users

36. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 22.79 - I3582
Top 85% match vs all users

37. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 22.98 - I9006
Top 93% match vs all users

38. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 23.23 - I9010
Top 93% match vs all users

39. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 23.26 - I3981
Top 83% match vs all users

40. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) ..... 23.53 - I3983
Top 83% match vs all users

41. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) ..... 23.76 - I3980
Top 89% match vs all users

42. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 23.78 - I2515
Top 74% match vs all users

43. Copper Age Armenia (4000 BC) ..... 23.8 - I1631
Top 97% match vs all users

44. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) ..... 23.89 - MA2208
Top 93% match vs all users

45. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 23.9 - I3581
Top 84% match vs all users

46. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 23.98 - SZ18
Top 25% match vs all users

47. Ancient Greek Empuries (275 BC) ..... 23.99 - I8208
Top 94% match vs all users

48. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 24.13 - I12515
Top 71% match vs all users

49. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 24.31 - CL57
Top 31% match vs all users

50. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 24.35 - I2514
Top 69% match vs all users

51. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 24.61 - I2647
Top 78% match vs all users

52. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) ..... 24.63 - I9123
Top 98% match vs all users

53. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 24.65 - CL94
Top 38% match vs all users

54. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 24.79 - MJ12
Top 78% match vs all users

55. Ashkelon Philistine (1150 BC) ..... 24.95 - ASH2-3_ASH_IA1
Top 94% match vs all users

56. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) ..... 25.15 - MA2206
Top 94% match vs all users

57. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 25.17 - LSD021
Top 78% match vs all users

58. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 25.18 - I4331
Top 54% match vs all users

59. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 25.26 - I2644
Top 82% match vs all users

60. Hellenic Ottoman (1500 AD) ..... 25.51 - MA2196
Top 97% match vs all users

You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info


Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate 1050 AD

I7499

Total cM=28.83 Largest segment=9.55 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 42) - Your raw DNA is 86 % closer than other matching users

Carthaginian Roman 275 BC

I8204

Total cM=3.37 Largest segment=3.37 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 5) - Your raw DNA is 62 % closer than other matching users
Ancient Egypt 50 BC

JK2888

Total cM=2.93 Largest segment=2.93 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 2) - Your raw DNA is 35 % closer than other matching users

Central Roman 590 AD

SZ32

Total cM=2.28 Largest segment=2.28 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is 41 % closer than other matching users
Central Roman / Mixed 590 AD

SZ19

Total cM=2.26 Largest segment=2.26 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is 13 % closer than other matching users
Mycenaean 1350 BC

I9006

Total cM=3.85 Largest segment=2.12 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 13) - Your raw DNA is 52 % closer than other matching users

Hellenic Roman / Cretan 670 AD

CL38

Total cM=2.06 Largest segment=2.06 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is 43 % closer than other matching users

Scythian Moldova 270 BC

scy192

Total cM=2.0 Largest segment=2.0 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is 18 % closer than other matching users

Mycenaean 1350 BC

I9041

Total cM=3.6 Largest segment=1.85 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 15) - Your raw DNA is 48 % closer than other matching users

Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese 670 AD

CL30

Total cM=1.77 Largest segment=1.77 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is 20 % closer than other matching users

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Greek (4.527)
2. Central_Greek (7.982)
3. Kosovan (8.080)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (8.354)
5. Greek_Thessaly (8.496)
6. Greek_Islands (9.640)
7. East_Sicilian (9.784)
8. Greek_Crete (10.30)

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3D Ancient in color (Start - Middle - ...)

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92. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 20.68 - I2458 (Click for more info)
Top 42% match vs all users

New result.
Is a migration Fromm North Spain todo Britain Islands? Is make the Stotengeguen
 
mine .......after this set , the other are more than 13.0000



1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.349
- SZ28 (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users


2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 8.469 - CL23 (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.971 - I3313 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.665 - SZ36 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.851 - CL36 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.03 - SZ43 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.08 - NS3c (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.63 - NS3b (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

9. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.21 - CL57 (Click for more info)
Top 96% match vs all users

10. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.57 - CL94 (Click for more info)
Top 96% match vs all users

11. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 11.65 - I7424 (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

12. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.91 - SZ32 (Click for more info)
Top 97% match vs all users

13. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 12.0 - SZ45 (Click for more info)
Top 91% match vs all users

14. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 12.33 - I4332 (Click for more info)
Top 97% match vs all users

15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 12.33 - I5769 (Click for more info)
Top 97% match vs all users

16. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.35 - scy192 (Click for more info)
Top 97% match vs all users


my new results after today

1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.349 - SZ28 (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.971 - I3313 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.665 - SZ36 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.851 - CL36 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.03 - SZ43 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.08 - NS3c (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

7. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.63 - NS3b (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.21 - CL57 (Click for more info)
Top 96% match vs all users

9. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.57 - CL94 (Click for more info)
Top 95% match vs all users

10. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 11.65 - I7424 (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

11. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 11.81 - CL23 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

 
@Torzio

Your top y T sample (CL23) dropped some and the other T (SZ36) went up.

Are the 2 results you posted from the same Raw-Data?


My Top y T sample (SZ36) goes from first to second depending on the RawData.

for example:

Combined RawData:
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Ancestry:

itAmcxk.jpg



23v5:

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@Torzio

Your top y T sample (CL23) dropped some and the other T (SZ36) went up.

Are the 2 results you posted from the same Raw-Data?


My Top y T sample (SZ36) goes from first to second depending on the RawData.

for example:

Combined RawData:
I9js78V.jpg


Ancestry:

itAmcxk.jpg



23v5:

CAMMNFl.jpg

Yes same data... i never give them a different one... always from ftdna , nit my 23andme or other one
 
Some new updates among my "grandpas" :)

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[h=3]You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info [FONT=&quot][/FONT][/h]
[h=4]Medieval Iberian[/h]
[h=4]670 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
CL23
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=32.35
Largest segment=23.21 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 45) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 16

23.21 cM









Chr. 20

9.13 cM









[h=4]Illyrian / Dalmatian[/h]
[h=4]1600 BC[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
I4331
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=19.15
Largest segment=8.57 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 36) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
91
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 1

3.61 cM









Chr. 2

8.57 cM









Chr. 14

3.42 cM









Chr. 19

3.54 cM









[h=4]Scythian Moldova[/h]
[h=4]290 BC[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
scy311
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=6.63
Largest segment=6.63 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 23) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
22
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 3

6.63 cM









[h=4]Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate[/h]
[h=4]1050 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
I7499
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=14.31
Largest segment=5.65 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 42) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
81
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 4

5.65 cM









Chr. 18

4.53 cM









Chr. 19

4.13 cM









[h=4]Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate[/h]
[h=4]1050 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
I12515
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=5.36
Largest segment=5.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 31) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
35
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 12

5.36 cM









[h=4]Iberian Cordoba Caliphate[/h]
[h=4]1050 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
I7498
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=11.44
Largest segment=4.67 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 34) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
91
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 4

4.67 cM









Chr. 7

3.55 cM









Chr. 19

3.21 cM









[h=4]Iberian / Piedmont[/h]
[h=4]670 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
CL94
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=8.17
Largest segment=4.23 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
67
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 2

4.23 cM









Chr. 12

3.93 cM









[h=4]Byzantine Roman Warrior[/h]
[h=4]605 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
NS3b
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=3.27
Largest segment=3.27 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 37) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
9
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 19

3.27 cM









[h=4]Thuringii Tribe[/h]
[h=4]420 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
AED_1108
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=3.06
Largest segment=3.06 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 12) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
19
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 1

3.06 cM









[h=4]Scythian Moldova[/h]
[h=4]270 BC[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
scy192
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=4.8
Largest segment=2.54 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
53
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 12

2.26 cM









Chr. 15

2.54 cM









[h=4]Hellenic Roman / Cretan[/h]
[h=4]670 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
CL38
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=6.49
Largest segment=2.33 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
85
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 4

1.88 cM









Chr. 11

2.27 cM









Chr. 19

2.33 cM









[h=4]Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea[/h]
[h=4]900 BC[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
MJ12
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=2.05
Largest segment=2.05 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 18) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
10
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 11

2.05 cM









[h=4]Central Roman[/h]
[h=4]590 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
SZ32
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=1.9
Largest segment=1.9 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
63
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 6

1.9 cM









[h=4]Medieval Frank[/h]
[h=4]670 AD[/h]
[h=4][FONT=&quot]
CL63
[/h]

[/FONT]

Total cM=1.72
Largest segment=1.72 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
[FONT=&quot]​
37
% closer than other matching users[/FONT]


Chr. 3

1.72 cM






 
I deleted the old data and made a new upload. There was changes only in my Top 60 of ancient samples.

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