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Very cool dear friend Salento (y)
 
@salento

the breakdown by Era ......is it accurate?

mine is
71% Illyrian
6.7% proto-Rhaeti
6.0% proto-celt
4.9% proto-visigoth
4.0% proto-frank

other 3 under 4%


.........
my first cousin , paternal side has

79.2% illyrian
5% proto-frank
4.4% proto-rhaeti

others under 4%
 
@salento

the breakdown by Era ......is it accurate?

mine is
71% Illyrian
6.7% proto-Rhaeti
6.0% proto-celt
4.9% proto-visigoth
4.0% proto-frank

other 3 under 4%


.........
my first cousin , paternal side has

79.2% illyrian
5% proto-frank
4.4% proto-rhaeti

others under 4%

That shows the Spread of your Genes by percentages among those Early Bronze Age samples, I think :)

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Edit:
...with the combined AncestryDNA and 23andme v4 I get this below, but imho it doesn’t paint the complexity of my background ...

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Scythian Ukraine


mtDNA Haplogroup: J2b1a6

Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2


Deep Dive Match! 46% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 9.4106
Sample Match! 99% closer than other users



​Is this pretty close?
 
A new deep dive this week

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my update

I have lost all my 'golden throphies " from the BC time matches

my new order for BC times is...top one being first
I4331
SCY305
R1
SCY300
 
Edit ... deleted... wrong thread ... (y)
 
A new deep dive this week

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I have this ancient sample just in “Ancient Samples Results”, as below.

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My ancient French matchings in “Deep Dive” are these ones, in age sequecing.

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^^

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BellBeakerSourthernFranceI3875.JPEG

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@Duarte

The neolithic still remains without comparison with other users.


To liven up the morning all my Bronze for the moment.

28. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 12.12 - Rise483
29. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209
32. North Alpine Bronze Age (1677 BC) ..... 12.2 - AITI_98
33. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia (1600 BC) ..... 12.36 - Rise480
39. North Alpine Bronze Age (1794 BC) ..... 12.9 - AITI_43
49. Menorca Late Bronze Age (861 BC) ..... 13.55 - I3315
62. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 14.25 - I12208
68. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1563 BC) ..... 14.42 - OTTM_151ind2
70. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66
70. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66
84. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 -
92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561
97. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 15.48 - TV3831
99. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 15.56 - ValeOuro10207 -
105. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 15.95 - RIX4
109. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 15.97 - MX256
110. Mallorca Early Bronze Age (2350 BC) ..... 16.0 - I4329
112. North Alpine Bronze Age (1790 BC) ..... 16.07 - AITI_78
114. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 16.23 - VAD001
115. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1350 BC) ..... 16.23 - ESP005
116. Early bronze Age Singen Germany (1696 BC) ..... 16.24 - MX257
120. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1785 BC) ..... 16.43 - MX277
124. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2030 BC) ..... 16.53 - MX283
125. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 16.55 - MX254_2 -
127. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 16.6 - I3493
129. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland (1651 BC) ..... 16.66 - SX20
137. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 16.86 - RIX15
144. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (1957 BC) ..... 17.1 - OBKR_9A
148. North Alpine Bronze Age (1815 BC) ..... 17.24 - AITI_72
151. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 17.35 - I4885
155. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 17.44 - I4891 -
156. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (2012 BC) ..... 17.44 - OBKR_50
161. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 17.55 - MX258
163. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 17.6 - I1840
166. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 17.66 - VAD005 -
170. North Alpine Bronze Age (1788 BC) ..... 17.85 - AITI_40
171. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1860 BC) ..... 17.85 - MX252
183. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207
185. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1525 BC) ..... 18.54 - OTTM_156
187. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 18.56 - I4887
188. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 18.59 - MonteGato104
190. Bronze Age Haunstetten Germany (1966 BC) ..... 18.67 - POST_28
191. North Alpine Bronze Age (1950 BC) ..... 18.67 - AITI_70 -
193. High Status North Alpine Bronze Age (1789 BC) ..... 18.78 - AITI_119
194. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 18.79 - RIX2 -
195. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 18.8 - I4888
199. Early Bronze Age Wartau Switzerland (1815 BC) ..... 18.87 - SX23
208. North Alpine Bronze Age (1791 BC) ..... 19.12 - AITI_2 -
213. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 19.28 - Rise484
218. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1930 BC) ..... 19.49 - MX286
221. Kornice Bronze Age Poland (2200 BC) ..... 19.66 - I6582
222. Kornice Bronze Age Poland (2300 BC) ..... 19.67 - I6534 -
223. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 19.78 - VAD004
226. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.86 - I7162 -
233. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2050 BC) ..... 20.05 - MX275
234. Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland (1963 BC) ..... 20.08 - SNPRA63
241. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (2122 BC) ..... 20.51 - I4886
245. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 20.68 - I3490
246. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 20.68 - I2458 -
248. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany (2325 BC) ..... 20.73 - MX259 -



The problem is that I have put on 10kg and the summer clothes are almost out of the closet and there is no time, I will walk on secondary streets.
 
^^

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BellBeakerSourthernFranceI3875.JPEG

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@Duarte

The neolithic still remains without comparison with other users.


To liven up the morning all my Bronze for the moment.

28. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 12.12 - Rise483
29. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209
32. North Alpine Bronze Age (1677 BC) ..... 12.2 - AITI_98
33. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia (1600 BC) ..... 12.36 - Rise480
39. North Alpine Bronze Age (1794 BC) ..... 12.9 - AITI_43
49. Menorca Late Bronze Age (861 BC) ..... 13.55 - I3315
62. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 14.25 - I12208
68. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1563 BC) ..... 14.42 - OTTM_151ind2
70. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66
70. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66
84. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 -
92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561
97. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 15.48 - TV3831
99. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 15.56 - ValeOuro10207 -
105. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 15.95 - RIX4
109. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 15.97 - MX256
110. Mallorca Early Bronze Age (2350 BC) ..... 16.0 - I4329
112. North Alpine Bronze Age (1790 BC) ..... 16.07 - AITI_78
114. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 16.23 - VAD001
115. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1350 BC) ..... 16.23 - ESP005
116. Early bronze Age Singen Germany (1696 BC) ..... 16.24 - MX257
120. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1785 BC) ..... 16.43 - MX277
124. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2030 BC) ..... 16.53 - MX283
125. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 16.55 - MX254_2 -
127. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 16.6 - I3493
129. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland (1651 BC) ..... 16.66 - SX20
137. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 16.86 - RIX15
144. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (1957 BC) ..... 17.1 - OBKR_9A
148. North Alpine Bronze Age (1815 BC) ..... 17.24 - AITI_72
151. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 17.35 - I4885
155. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 17.44 - I4891 -
156. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (2012 BC) ..... 17.44 - OBKR_50
161. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 17.55 - MX258
163. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 17.6 - I1840
166. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 17.66 - VAD005 -
170. North Alpine Bronze Age (1788 BC) ..... 17.85 - AITI_40
171. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1860 BC) ..... 17.85 - MX252
183. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207
185. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1525 BC) ..... 18.54 - OTTM_156
187. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 18.56 - I4887
188. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 18.59 - MonteGato104
190. Bronze Age Haunstetten Germany (1966 BC) ..... 18.67 - POST_28
191. North Alpine Bronze Age (1950 BC) ..... 18.67 - AITI_70 -
193. High Status North Alpine Bronze Age (1789 BC) ..... 18.78 - AITI_119
194. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 18.79 - RIX2 -
195. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 18.8 - I4888
199. Early Bronze Age Wartau Switzerland (1815 BC) ..... 18.87 - SX23
208. North Alpine Bronze Age (1791 BC) ..... 19.12 - AITI_2 -
213. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 19.28 - Rise484
218. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1930 BC) ..... 19.49 - MX286
221. Kornice Bronze Age Poland (2200 BC) ..... 19.66 - I6582
222. Kornice Bronze Age Poland (2300 BC) ..... 19.67 - I6534 -
223. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 19.78 - VAD004
226. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.86 - I7162 -
233. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2050 BC) ..... 20.05 - MX275
234. Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland (1963 BC) ..... 20.08 - SNPRA63
241. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (2122 BC) ..... 20.51 - I4886
245. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 20.68 - I3490
246. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 20.68 - I2458 -
248. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany (2325 BC) ..... 20.73 - MX259 -



The problem is that I have put on 10kg and the summer clothes are almost out of the closet and there is no time, I will walk on secondary streets.

^^Thank you dear friend @Carlos
These are my Bronze Age samples according MTA:

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Carlos:
92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561

Me:
89. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.58 - I8561

This sample was treated as an outlier in the paper below.

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites..._NatEcolEvol_WestMediterranean_Supplement.pdf

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“Abisso del Vento 2017 (Grotto) (Sicily_EBA8561, I8561). Petrous bone, C14 dated to 2346- 2199 calBCE (3825±20 BP, PSUAMS-4873).

Among the Sicilian Early Bronze individuals, I11443 from Buffa Cave (Sicily_EBA11443) and individual I8561 from Isnello (Sicily_EBA8561) were not consistent with forming a clade with the remaining Early Bronze Age Sicilians in the great majority of tests. We therefore treated them as outliers for analysis”.
 
Carlos:
92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561

Me:
89. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.58 - I8561

This sample was treated as an outlier in the paper below.

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites..._NatEcolEvol_WestMediterranean_Supplement.pdf



“Abisso del Vento 2017 (Grotto) (Sicily_EBA8561, I8561). Petrous bone, C14 dated to 2346- 2199 calBCE (3825±20 BP, PSUAMS-4873).

Among the Sicilian Early Bronze individuals, I11443 from Buffa Cave (Sicily_EBA11443) and individual I8561 from Isnello (Sicily_EBA8561) were not consistent with forming a clade with the remaining Early Bronze Age Sicilians in the great majority of tests. We therefore treated them as outliers for analysis”.
92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561

Latin + Etruscan (4.246)
Iberian + Etruscan (4.819)
Etruscan (6.485)
Iberian + Latin (6.508)
Latin + Rhaeti (6.888)
Rhaeti + Etruscan (7.002)
Iberian (9.291)
Rhaeti (9.57)
Latin (9.938)
Gallo-Roman (11.68)
1. Spanish_Aragon (13.46)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (13.72)
3. Southwest_French (14.77)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (14.81)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (15.32)
6. Spanish_Valencia (15.81)
7. French_Basque (16.11)
8. Spanish_Murcia (17.38)

I had realized that although with its own superposition the sample is made up of results that I usually get and I do not have it in my outliers either.
Wasn't there also another Iberian in

Maybe MTA should add outlier to the sample or outlier
 
edit... - off topic, now I think :)

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Good Grief: Jean Paul Marat??? I would have killed him in his bath like Charlotte Corday too. I don't care how intelligent he was; he was a mass murderer, or close to it. Left or right; makes no difference to me:

[h=6]Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France[/h]Marat (1793 AD)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain[/h]
Genetic Distance: 19.212
Sample Match! 59% closer than other users


[h=6]Relic French King Louis XVI[/h]LXVI (1793 AD)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: N1b[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a (P15/PF3112)[/h]
Genetic Distance: 11.373
Sample Match! 98% closer than other users


Now, whoever is in there, he and I are CLOSE! :)

This next one isn't bad...

[h=6]Carolingian Settlement Barcelona[/h]I7672 (790 AD)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: T2h[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2a1a (L151/PF6542)[/h]
Genetic Distance: 23.517
Sample Match! 60% closer than other users


[h=6]Le Mans Revolutionary France[/h]LM_403_T (1793 AD)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: K1c1[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain[/h]
Genetic Distance: 25.308
Sample Match! 29% closer than other users
[h=6]Le Mans Revolutionary France[/h]LM_406_T (1793 AD)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: H79a[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain[/h]
Genetic Distance: 24.601
Sample Match! 31% closer than other users

[h=6]Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon[/h]SI-53 (1250 AD)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: T2[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a2c2 (CTS300/DF63/S522)[/h]
Genetic Distance: 14.868
Sample Match! 99% closer than other users

[h=6]Crusader Knight French / Lebanon[/h]SI-40 (1250 AD)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1g[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a (CTS5330)[/h]
Genetic Distance: 22.806
Sample Match! 90% closer than other users
[h=6]Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon[/h]SI-41 (1250 AD)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: V19[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a2a (DF27/S250)[/h]
Genetic Distance: 12.501
Sample Match! 99% closer than other users

Nice to know the people walking around my part of the world in 1200 AD were pretty much like me. There had to be a reason why I was so obsessed with the Italian Renaissance. :)

Now, as to Mr. Relic Man. Well, I could spin a tale: the boy king brutalized by the Sans Culotte cut his finger. The handkerchief covering it was left behind when Royalists spirited him away from his cell and they decided the one place where he would never be found, the back of beyond, was in the Appennine mountains south of Parma!
 
my 23s v4 - v5 R850 Deep Dive results are very different, even though they are both from 23andme ...

... for V4 I’m a Top #4 match, for V5 a standard user, ... Combined something in the middle



R850 Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC (Iron Age) y T... mt T...
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23v4:
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43. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 15.82
- R850




23v5:
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47. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 17.09
- R850




Combined:

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45. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 15.86
- R850
 
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8. Dolmen de Saint-Eugene Bronze Age France (1950 BC) ..... 10.28 - EUG11 -
14. Aquitani Pech-Maho France (350 BC) ..... 10.9 - PECH8
20. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 11.51 - LM_406_T
34. Rec de Ligno Bronze Age France (2050 BC) ..... 12.31 - PIR3037AB
38. Le Pirou Valros Bronze Age France (1630 BC) ..... 12.59 - Pir6
41. Belgic Tribe Colmar France (340 BC) ..... 12.77 - COL153i -
43. Neolithic France (3500 BC) ..... 13.25 - PEN001_real2
57. Pont-sur-Seine Bronze Age France (2100 BC) ..... 13.83 - PSS4170
79. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.61 - SI-40
94. Belgic Tribe Erstein France (250 BC) ..... 15.2 - ERS1164 -
95. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France (1500 BC) ..... 15.21 - QUIN234
96. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.24 - OBS137
101. Iron Age Erstein France (250 BC) ..... 15.45 - ERS86
105. Bronze Age Niederergheim France (860 BC) ..... 15.62 - NIED
107. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France (1200 BC) ..... 15.68 - QUIN58
111. Belgic Tribe Nordhouse France (500 BC) ..... 15.85 - NOR3-6 -
113. Rixheim Bronze Age Alsace France (1690 BC) ..... 15.95 - RIX4
114. Ligurian Pech-Maho France (350 BC) ..... 15.95 - PECH5
121. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) ..... 16.23 - SLC1006
126. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 16.35 - LM_306_T
145. Rixheim Bronze Age Alsace France (1650 BC) ..... 16.86 - RIX15
157. Relic French King Louis XVI (1793 AD) ..... 17.27 - LXVI
162. Le Peyrou Agde France (300 BC) ..... 17.44 - PEY163
172. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 17.64 - OBS116
181. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 17.92 - Marat
196. Neolithic France (3500 BC) ..... 18.58 - OBN003
203. Rixheim Bronze Age Alsace France (1650 BC) ..... 18.79 - RIX2
224. Le Peyrou Agde France (175 BC) ..... 19.41 - PEY53


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My top Deep Dive match is Bronze Age Amesbury, who lived not far from where my great-great-great-grandmother Louisa Selina Wilkins was born in Trowbridge in 1856.
 

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