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Stuvane: Ok, thanks for that detailed explanation. For me the Updated Dodecad 12b and Updated Eurogenes K13 works very well for me. MDLP with I think updated samples and I must admit the Eurogenes K36 looks quite accurate, although I am not sure still what all those 36 reference populations actually mean or what they are trying to capture.
 
Stuvane: Ok, thanks for that detailed explanation. For me the Updated Dodecad 12b and Updated Eurogenes K13 works very well for me. MDLP with I think updated samples and I must admit the Eurogenes K36 looks quite accurate, although I am not sure still what all those 36 reference populations actually mean or what they are trying to capture.


I am simply curious: I will tell you that I started to appreciate Eurogenes k36 only after the oracles of yourDNAportal or this tool have been associated with it (see https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm )

From YourDNAportal:

[h=2]Closest population distances[/h]
[h=3]Population[/h][h=3]Distance[/h]
[h=4]CL36_north-Italian[/h][h=4]0.9910701[/h]
[h=4]SZ36_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.1891711[/h]
[h=4]SZ28_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.2160251[/h]
[h=4]CL121__north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.3294021[/h]
[h=4]SZ43_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.4221923[/h]
[h=4]SZ32_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.4702894[/h]
[h=4]CL23_north-Italian[/h][h=4]1.4754335[/h]
[h=4]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54[/h][h=4]1.512881[/h]

[h=3]Population[/h][h=3]Value[/h]
[h=4]SZ28_north-Italian[/h][h=4]24[/h]
[h=4]CL121__north-Italian[/h][h=4]16.2[/h]
[h=4]SZ36_north-Italian[/h][h=4]12.6[/h]
[h=4]CL23_north-Italian[/h][h=4]6.2[/h]
[h=4]SZ18_Pannonian[/h][h=4]6[/h]
[h=4]Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c[/h][h=4]5.4[/h]
[h=4]CL36_north-Italian[/h][h=4]4.6[/h]
[h=4]SZ19_Italian-Balkan[/h][h=4]2.6[/h]
[h=4]EMA_north-Italian_FN_2[/h][h=4]2.4[/h]
[h=4]CL47_Alpine[/h][h=4]2.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_I9041_Mycenaean[/h][h=4]1.6[/h]
[h=4]CL38_Greek_south-Italian[/h][h=4]1.2[/h]
[h=4]LBA_Armenia_RISE412[/h][h=4]1.2[/h]
[h=4]N_Levant_AinGhazal4[/h][h=4]1[/h]
[h=4]Visigoth_Iberian_I12034[/h][h=4]1[/h]
[h=4]I3578_EMA_Andalusia[/h][h=4]0.8[/h]
[h=4]BA_Hungary_BR2[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Anatolian_I1584[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]CL30_Greek_south-Italian[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]DA199HungaryMedieval[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]MN_Germany_I0559[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]SZ32_north-Italian[/h][h=4]0.6[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Greek_STR_300[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]I10851_medieval_Catalonia[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]I1979_Beaker_North_Italy[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]MBA_Germany__RISE471[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]N_Germany_I0048[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]SZ38_Longobard[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]SZ45_Pannonian[/h][h=4]0.4[/h]
[h=4]BA_Hungary_RISE374[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_I9006_Mycenean[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]BA_Sydon[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Armenia_I1407[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CHL_Iran_I1665[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CL94_Iberian[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]CWC_Poland_RISE1[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EIA_F38_Iran[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EMA_Italian_STR_502[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EMA_north-Italian_NW_54[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]EN_Anatolia_Tepe002[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]I10892_Catalonia_medieval[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]I1388_Beaker_South_France[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]LBA_Armenia_RISE397[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]MN_Iberia_I0407[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]N_Germany_I0795[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]Scythian009_Ukraine[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]
[h=4]i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD[/h][h=4]0.2[/h]







My perplexities (which I believe are yours too) are that I don't know how realistic it is to guess the ancestral compositions of an individual, calling into question 36 components (!). I also enjoy playing with these oracles, but the more time passes the more I realize that really effective calculators work on a more limited number of components (that's why, among other things, I prefer the Dodecad and the other Eurogenes working on smaller numbers of components).

Wanting to be even more practical, it seems to me that the most realistic calculators are those that process data with ancestral components (EEF / ENF - WHG - EHG - CHG - Levant / Natufian...), since all the peoples of western Eurasia and of the Mediterranean are essentially matched in various proportions of these archaic "ingredients", and by shifting the level from time to time you will understand that you are dealing with a southern or northern European or with a Middle Eastern ... I am just looking at the G25 ULTIMATE ANCIENT COMPONENTS by Celtíbero Itálico works essentially in this way and it seems to me to provide substantially correct results, especially in the combo of "single section"


Distance to: G25Stuvanè_scaled


0.12761894 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0746
0.12828737 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0745
0.12881803 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1098
0.13112898 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1103
0.13181645 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708
0.13240084 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1101
0.13436836 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1099
0.13524548 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1102
0.13742110 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1100
0.13769232 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0736
0.13899570 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0724
0.14084452 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1096
0.14136237 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0709
0.14247665 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0726
0.14258646 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583
0.14472578 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1580
0.14475626 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0727
0.14485033 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0707
0.14578671 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1097
0.14636180 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0744
0.14736294 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0723
0.15109871 Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581
0.15413088 Early_European_Farmer:GRC_N:I5427
0.19965334 Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I11112
0.20015281 Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357


Target: G25Stuvanè_scaled
Distance: 1.8211% / 0.01821066


57.6 Early_European_Farmer
32.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
5.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
3.8 Iran_Neolithic
0.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer
 
Hi friends.
I think this tool of LM Genetics very cool to make a comparative analysis of the Eu K36 and MyTrueAncestry.com’s results. This is my ethnicity according to this tool, just to knowledge. I wish all a nice week.

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Stuvane: I agree that explaining data with parsimonious models is always better than over specified models, all else equal, in my view.


As for the G25 ancient results, really good how it models your ancestry. I also like, as you noted, how the G25 does try to capture EEF, Steppe, WHG and Iran_Neolithic and Levant Farmer. The only calculator that I have been able to run is the older Eurogenes Hunter Gather vs. Farmer calculator. Since this G25 as Iran Neolithic component being measured apart from Early_Levant Farmer, WHG (older Eurogenes only Baltic HG used to proxy for all HG), it seems more accurate and in line with what recent research has documented. Not even sure research had documented CHG when the original Eurogenes HG vs. Farmer was put together. Duarte posted some results from an ancient calculator but he suggested it to might have some issues like the Eurogenes HG vs. Farmer.

I will confess I was not overly impressed with the earlier Eurogenes Calculators but the ones with the updated samples, both K13 and K15 are much better, as least for me. G25 from what I have seen seems to work reasonably well.
 
... He made yours in 3D ... :)

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Hi @Salento. Good Morning.
3D is really cool. The visual effect is fun. But I believe that in 2D the visualization is clearer, at least for me. My brain probably doesn't handle 3D very well, lol.
 
I'm in a position to always take the results of the G25 with a grain of salt, since it's incomplete with samples in my area.
So the autosomal proximity begins to wander between Liguria, Lombardy/Bergamo, Piedmont, Tuscany and the combinations become rather exotic assemblies (on balance a little better the k36-like G25 model compared to the G25 Modern Averages scaled)

G25 average scaled

Distance to: G25Stuvanè_scaled


0.02559946 Italian_Liguria
0.02578946 Italian_Lombardy
0.02784830 Italian_Piedmont
0.02890115 Greek_Thessaly
0.03085707 Italian_Marche
0.03108708 Italian_Tuscany
0.03117244 Italian_Bergamo
0.03395817 Swiss_Italian
0.03488089 Albanian
0.03593146 Italian_Veneto
0.03611197 French_Corsica
0.03679646 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03723127 Italian_Lazio
0.03774512 Italian_Umbria
0.03885696 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04076855 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04101491 Italian_Molise
0.04173885 Italian_Northeast
0.04317431 Gagauz
0.04330361 Sicilian_West
0.04422228 Italian_Apulia
0.04518076 Spanish_Menorca
0.04574888 Moldovan
0.04611094 Spanish_Eivissa
0.04625298 Sicilian_East

Target: G25Stuvanè_scaled
Distance: 1.8448% / 0.01844770


60.6 Italian_Lombardy
13.4 Italian_Liguria
9.4 Sicilian_East
6.4 Russian_Smolensk
5.6 Greek_Trabzon
4.6 Samaritan

K36-like G25 Model


Distance to: G25Stuvanè_scaled


0.02559946 Italian:Italian_Liguria
0.02578946 Italian:Italian_Lombardy
0.03117244 Italian:Italian_Bergamo
0.03136743 Italian:Italian_Tuscany
0.03395817 Italian:Swiss_Italian
0.03488089 Balkan:Albanian
0.03674054 Balkan:Greek
0.03723127 Italian:Italian_Lazio
0.04317431 Balkan:Gagauz
0.04805838 Ibérian_péninsula:Spanish_Andalucia
0.04837068 Balkan:Bulgarian
0.05128531 Balkan:Macedonian
0.05384627 Ibérian_péninsula:portuguese
0.05487882 Ibérian_péninsula:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.06261084 France:French_Occitanie
0.06261084 Ibérian_péninsula:French_Occitanie
0.06501205 Ibérian_péninsula:Spanish_Canarias
0.06582162 Balkan:Greek_Crete
0.06834854 France:French_South
0.07114461 France:French_Paris
0.07202104 Ibérian_péninsula:Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.07309467 North_atlantic:Belgian
0.07718567 Central_European:Austrian
0.08184306 Basque:BAS33
0.08337047 Eastern_Europe:Hungarian

Target: G25Stuvanè_scaled
Distance: 1.7589% / 0.01758910


67.8 Italian
19.6 East_Mediterranean
8.6 Eastern_Europe
2.0 North_Sea
2.0 West_Mediterranean

Stuvane, I can't do the G25 because I don't have the coordinates.

I don't get what you mean by the K36 G25 like model.

These are my K36 results from yDNA portal. Those northern Appennini between my father's people and my mother's people, one highly drifted, the other drifted, was quite some barrier for the small distance as the crow flies; of course, the actual route was torturous.

Closest population distances

Population
Distance
SZ36_north-Italian
1.077892
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
1.327634
CL36_north-Italian
1.36235
SZ19_Italian-Balkan
1.408242
SZ32_north-Italian
1.579661
SZ40_Italian
1.664666
CL94_Iberian
1.832403
BA_I9041_Mycenaean
1.835203




Population percentages



SZ36_north-ItalianNiederstotzingen_north-…SZ19_Italian-BalkanBA_I9041_MycenaeanSZ40_ItalianCL94_IberianI3578_EMA_AndalusiaBA_Hungary_RISE374BA_Hungary_RISE247
1/2



34.8%

10%
















5.6%


17.4%

17.6%
PopulationPercentage
SZ36_north-Italian34.8
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c17.6
SZ19_Italian-Balkan17.4
BA_I9041_Mycenaean5.6
SZ40_Italian3.2
CL94_Iberian3
I3578_EMA_Andalusia2.2
BA_Hungary_RISE3742
BA_Hungary_RISE2471.4
BA_Hungary_RISE4831.4
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy1.4
Populations under 1%10










Population
Value
SZ36_north-Italian
34.8
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
17.6
SZ19_Italian-Balkan
17.4
BA_I9041_Mycenaean
5.6
SZ40_Italian
3.2
CL94_Iberian
3
I3578_EMA_Andalusia
2.2
BA_Hungary_RISE374
2
BA_Hungary_RISE247
1.4
BA_Hungary_RISE483
1.4
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy
1.4
EMA_Italian_STR_502
1
EMA_north-Italian_FN_2
1
SZ32_north-Italian
1
Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I12031
1
MN_Germany_I0559
0.8
N_Levant__AinGhazal3
0.8
BA_Hungary_RISE480
0.6
CL57_north-Italian
0.6
LBA_Armenia_RISE397
0.6
BA_I9006_Mycenean
0.4
N_Germany_I0048
0.4
N_Hungary_NE4
0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE484
0.2
BA_I0070_Minoan
0.2
BA_I9033_Mycenaean
0.2
CL23_north-Italian
0.2
CL36_north-Italian
0.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE396
0.2
LBK_Germany_I0054
0.2


I still can't be modeled without some pretty significant really old sources.
 
Stuvane: I agree that explaining data with parsimonious models is always better than over specified models, all else equal, in my view.


As for the G25 ancient results, really good how it models your ancestry. I also like, as you noted, how the G25 does try to capture EEF, Steppe, WHG and Iran_Neolithic and Levant Farmer. The only calculator that I have been able to run is the older Eurogenes Hunter Gather vs. Farmer calculator. Since this G25 as Iran Neolithic component being measured apart from Early_Levant Farmer, WHG (older Eurogenes only Baltic HG used to proxy for all HG), it seems more accurate and in line with what recent research has documented. Not even sure research had documented CHG when the original Eurogenes HG vs. Farmer was put together. Duarte posted some results from an ancient calculator but he suggested it to might have some issues like the Eurogenes HG vs. Farmer.

I will confess I was not overly impressed with the earlier Eurogenes Calculators but the ones with the updated samples, both K13 and K15 are much better, as least for me. G25 from what I have seen seems to work reasonably well.

@Palermo,


for those who haven't their own G25 coordinates, the only Gedmatch calculators in some way approaching - IMO - the tools tracking down the ancestral prehistoric components, are those of puntDNAL and GedrosiaDNA. Their limit is that they seem to be highly calibrated on the populations of the Aegean, the southern Balkans, and the Caucasus / Iran ... It may be that in your case, being of Sicilian roots, they give more precise results (in their oracle I come immediately classified as Albanian. It shows the inverse problem to Eurogenes, which sometimes excessively "nordicises" "the components). But the ancestral quotes in pie seem plausible to me :)
 
Stuvane, I can't do the G25 because I don't have the coordinates.

I don't get what you mean by the K36 G25 like model.

These are my K36 results from yDNA portal. Those northern Appennini between my father's people and my mother's people, one highly drifted, the other drifted, was quite some barrier for the small distance as the crow flies; of course, the actual route was torturous.

Closest population distances

PopulationDistance
SZ36_north-Italian1.077892
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c1.327634
CL36_north-Italian1.36235
SZ19_Italian-Balkan1.408242
SZ32_north-Italian1.579661
SZ40_Italian1.664666
CL94_Iberian1.832403
BA_I9041_Mycenaean1.835203




Population percentages



SZ36_north-ItalianNiederstotzingen_north-…SZ19_Italian-BalkanBA_I9041_MycenaeanSZ40_ItalianCL94_IberianI3578_EMA_AndalusiaBA_Hungary_RISE374BA_Hungary_RISE247
1/2



34.8%

10%
















5.6%


17.4%

17.6%
PopulationPercentage
SZ36_north-Italian34.8
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c17.6
SZ19_Italian-Balkan17.4
BA_I9041_Mycenaean5.6
SZ40_Italian3.2
CL94_Iberian3
I3578_EMA_Andalusia2.2
BA_Hungary_RISE3742
BA_Hungary_RISE2471.4
BA_Hungary_RISE4831.4
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy1.4
Populations under 1%10










PopulationValue
SZ36_north-Italian34.8
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c17.6
SZ19_Italian-Balkan17.4
BA_I9041_Mycenaean5.6
SZ40_Italian3.2
CL94_Iberian3
I3578_EMA_Andalusia2.2
BA_Hungary_RISE3742
BA_Hungary_RISE2471.4
BA_Hungary_RISE4831.4
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy1.4
EMA_Italian_STR_5021
EMA_north-Italian_FN_21
SZ32_north-Italian1
Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I120311
MN_Germany_I05590.8
N_Levant__AinGhazal30.8
BA_Hungary_RISE4800.6
CL57_north-Italian0.6
LBA_Armenia_RISE3970.6
BA_I9006_Mycenean0.4
N_Germany_I00480.4
N_Hungary_NE40.4
BA_Hungary_RISE4840.2
BA_I0070_Minoan0.2
BA_I9033_Mycenaean0.2
CL23_north-Italian0.2
CL36_north-Italian0.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE3960.2
LBK_Germany_I00540.2


I still can't be modeled without some pretty significant really old sources.

Angela,


good question: it's one of the unofficial G25 calculators offered on Vahaduo. I hypothesize that it "simulates" the results of the K36-based oracles, but I haven't enough information to specify or confirm it.


Maybe @mlukas can clarify it better
 
Salento: Have you run the individual samples yet and compared it to your Dodecad 12B modern. I think there are like 15 different samples from Apulia in the G25 Individual. I don't know which regions of Puglia they are from. There are 6 samples from Sicily in that same spreadsheet, and again, not sure where they are from other than 3 of West and 3 are East.

I ran all the G25 Apulian’s at once, and non of them matched exactly my Dod K12 results.
A couple of them were close, so I’m just gonna stick with the default average Apulian, even though I’m not average, :unsure: LOL :)
 
The line between my Roman and my Hellenic Roman is very thin :grin:

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I just went by the general areas on the map where you have a score of 79. All those areas I mentioned are close to the places on the map you have a score of 79. It just so happens that those areas had scores of Venetian castles. So what I'm joking about is that maybe you had an ancestor in the employ of the Venetians that left their progeny in those places.

I see, so in your opinion my Great Grandpà was the Bastard son of a Venetian, LOL

... that actually could explain why Torzio and I have the same final y haplogroup, but I don’t think so :LOL:
 
@Palermo,


for those who haven't their own G25 coordinates, the only Gedmatch calculators in some way approaching - IMO - the tools tracking down the ancestral prehistoric components, are those of puntDNAL and GedrosiaDNA. Their limit is that they seem to be highly calibrated on the populations of the Aegean, the southern Balkans, and the Caucasus / Iran ... It may be that in your case, being of Sicilian roots, they give more precise results (in their oracle I come immediately classified as Albanian. It shows the inverse problem to Eurogenes, which sometimes excessively "nordicises" "the components). But the ancestral quotes in pie seem plausible to me :)

Ok, I am not to sure off the top of my head about those 2 calculators. I will take a look at them and compare them to Dodecad 12b updated and Eurogenes K13/K15 updated, and MDLP, all which put me in the correct Area code(s).
 
I ran all the G25 Apulian’s at once, and non of them matched exactly my Dod K12 results.
A couple of them were close, so I’m just gonna stick with the default average Apulian, even though I’m not average, :unsure: LOL :)

Got it, you like Lake Wobegon your definitely above Average (y) (Not sure that show is on any longer)
 
I see, so in your opinion my Great Grandpà was the Bastard son of a Venetian, LOL

... that actually could explain why Torzio and I have the same final y haplogroup, but I don’t think so :LOL:

I was thinking he was more like a Casanova while working for the Venetians. So you might have bastard cousins in the Greek Islands :LOL:.
 
I see, so in your opinion my Great Grandpà was the Bastard son of a Venetian, LOL

... that actually could explain why Torzio and I have the same final y haplogroup, but I don’t think so :LOL:

@Salento.
When I started here at Eupedia I believed to to have a bastard ancestral (one or more then one). 600,000 Portuguese arrived in the Captaincy of Minas Gerais in the middle of the 18th century, the largest European immigration to the Americas in colonial times. They arrived to organize the administration and definitively submit the Captaincy of Minas Gerais to the control of the Portuguese Crown. It was the gold rush. A few adventurers from other European countries also came. There weren't many, but they were there. Colonial America: I believe in all possibilities. But I believe that my autosomal DNA and my yDNA attest quite conclusively to a predominant ancestry of the northwest and northeast of the Iberian Peninsula. The possibility of a bastard ancestor in colonial Portuguese America, until proven otherwise, is ruled out. :unsure:
It will be? :grin:
 
... who knows, maybe Great Grandma had a Secret ... :LOL:
 
@Palermo,


for those who haven't their own G25 coordinates, the only Gedmatch calculators in some way approaching - IMO - the tools tracking down the ancestral prehistoric components, are those of puntDNAL and GedrosiaDNA. Their limit is that they seem to be highly calibrated on the populations of the Aegean, the southern Balkans, and the Caucasus / Iran ... It may be that in your case, being of Sicilian roots, they give more precise results (in their oracle I come immediately classified as Albanian. It shows the inverse problem to Eurogenes, which sometimes excessively "nordicises" "the components). But the ancestral quotes in pie seem plausible to me :)

They didn't work for me, putting me at huge distances to everyone except the Tuscans, and even that wasn't close.

I just think I may come from two such highly drifted populations that none of them are going to be accurate.

For my husband they were all over the place. Maybe his ancestors were inbred too. :) One made him Ashkenazi at a distance of about two or three. His partner and half his clients will be thrilled. :)

This one was interesting too. Gedrosia K12b

#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Greek
2.81
2
Sicilian
8.22

Then they start going into the 20s.
 
Yeah PuntDNAL and Gedrosia did not work for me either. This is PuntDNAL K12 Modern:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 6.579361
2 Albanian @ 6.584054
3 Greek @ 6.608196
4 Tuscan @ 9.596664
5 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 12.495791
6 Croatian @ 13.182490

K15:

1 Greek_Thessaly @ 3.955226
2 Albanian @ 5.979146
3 Greek_Central @ 6.396861
4 Montenegrin @ 6.585922
5 Italian @ 7.025706
6 Tuscan @ 7.075101
7 Bulgarian @ 7.453342

Gedrosia K12:

1 Greek @ 9.984163
2 Sicilian @ 15.655949
3 Turks_Istanbul @ 17.612869
4 Turks_Aydin @ 21.905449
5 Turks_Balikesir @ 23.263041
6 Turks_Adana @ 27.254744

Obviously South Balkan but can't decide. Most probably a mix. Gedrosia introduces Turkish in the mix, granted at 17+

@Angela, just like @Salento we will make into a Greek yet by hook or by crook (or by GedrosiaDNA
:grin:)
 
Stuvane/Angela: My Gedrosia K12 did the same thing as Angela's. It give me Sicilian, then Greek, then #3 (Turkish_Constantinopile/Istanbul) at 19.73. Must confess not a fan of this calculator. Yes among the sample reference populations it puts me in Sicily, then Greece 2nd, but given 3rd place is almost 20, not enough reference populations. Punt DNA K12 Modern has more reference populations and it puts me in Sicily for 1 and 2, then Tuscan at about 7. Greek at 9.4 is relatively close to the Gedrosia distance of 10.3. So personally like the more broader set of reference samples in PuntDNA vs. Gedrosia

Gedrosia K12

Distance to:PalermoTrapni
3.14070056Sicilian
10.39294953Greek
19.73122145Turks_Istanbul

PuntDNA K12 Modern
Distance to:PalermoTrapani
4.98024096Sicilian_West
6.25482214Sicilian_East
7.55068209Tuscan
7.59491935Ashkenazi_Jew
9.39536056Turkish_Jew
9.40227632Greek
10.34663230Moroccan_Jew
10.72719908Albanian
15.36856532Libyan_Jew
15.90574739Italian_Bergamo
16.52491452Spanish_Canaries
17.20676611Tunisian_Jew
17.85140891Bulgarian
18.16295130Cypriot
18.33774250Spanish_Southwest
18.98269738Turkish_Aydin
 

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