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[Jovialis]

Another important observation is the link these Iron age samples have to future samples, like the Imperial era. Samples that the study tries to argue changed Rome in the Imperial era.

Well I guess the fact that Latins from the previous eras get those samples too, confounds that narrative.

 

[Salento]

thanks

i do not know if they are linked or not

but , I get R1 as my #1 choice and the other 2 do not appear in my first 100

R1 get R120 (y T1a2 - T-L446) in the Top 100, what about you ???

R850 (also a y T), R437 and I do Not get R120 in the top 100.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com?p=593611&viewfull=1#post593611

 

[torzio]

R1 get R120 (y T1a2 - T-L446) in the Top 100, what about you ???

R850 (also a y T), R437 and I do Not get R120 in the top 100.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com?p=593611&viewfull=1#post593611

R120 .............I do not get in my top 100

CL23 the other T ydna is my #14 ...........................I do not know why they state this as iberian, when he is born in bulgaria, raised in Pannonia and died in Italy ..........maybe his mum is iberian



do you get this below from Sochi russia


52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
Top 97% match vs all users

 

[torzio]

Idk, but R1 gets only R437 in the Republican era, and not to any others from the Iron age samples.

R1 also has a relatively strong affinity to Scythians and Illyrians.

850 has a relatively strong affinity to copper age Anatolia; in the study, it says it can form a clade with it.

Among those three samples, I noticed only 437 has a link to the Sicily Beaker in the Bronze Age.

Yes, R1 is very strong with Scythians, Illyrians and Thracians ............I get all Dalmatians and all Scythians ( moldova )

I get zero samples with Anatolia or levant ( except a crusader from 1000AD )

 

[Jovialis]

Another interesting observation is that the Latin Prenestini R437 has a relatively strong affinity to the Imperial Prenestini R436; as do I.

 

[Salento]

R120 .............I do not get in my top 100

CL23 the other T ydna is my #14 ...........................I do not know why they state this as iberian, when he is born in bulgaria, raised in Pannonia and died in Italy ..........maybe his mum is iberian



do you get this below from Sochi russia


52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
Top 97% match vs all users

I do not, I get this instead:

 

[torzio]

I do not, I get this instead:

seems like in MTA......you went to europe via south of the black sea .......and I , north of the black sea


i only get this

32. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 14.31 - I3499 -
Top 98% match vs all users


the sochi one

and one from 900BC

these are the Thracians I get

 

[torzio]

Yes, R1 is very strong with Scythians, Illyrians and Thracians ............I get all Dalmatians and all Scythians ( moldova )

I get zero samples with Anatolia or levant ( except a crusader from 1000AD )

I do not get any Greek or southern balkans either in anything in MTA .........


I get this in my heritage
Ethnicity EstimateYou have 3 ethnicities
Italian 70.2%

Balkan 15.6%

Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 14.2%

 

[torzio]

R120 .............I do not get in my top 100

CL23 the other T ydna is my #14 ...........................I do not know why they state this as iberian, when he is born in bulgaria, raised in Pannonia and died in Italy ..........maybe his mum is iberian



do you get this below from Sochi russia


52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
Top 97% match vs all users

R120 has the following positive SNP's....L131, Y6033, FGC23008, Z19913 and 18 others

he sits here
https://www.yfull.com/branch-info/T-Y6033/#t1-tab

 

[torzio]

What are your OUTLIERS ......and do they have reflection on your migrational path


[h=3]Your Outlier Samples...[/h][h=6](These are the most genetically unique among your broader matching samples)[/h]

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137. Western-Scythian Black Sea (290 BC) ..... 22.07 - MJ34 -
Top 39% match vs all users


162. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix (410 AD) ..... 23.53 - STR_328 -
Top 42% match vs all users

166. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 23.71 - scy010 -
Top 46% match vs all users

169. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 23.96 - SZ42 -
Top 28% match vs all users

 

[torzio]

My #1 sample, below, slightly increased the Total cM


Protovillanovia Martinsicuro

930 BC

R1

mtDNA: [Upgrade to see]
Total cM=88.26
Largest segment=14.43 cM (7 shared. Sample quality: 94) - Your raw DNA is 85% closer than other matching users

Chr. 5
11.3 cM

Chr. 6
26.19 cM

Chr. 7
14.07 cM

Chr. 8
10.67 cM

Chr. 11
11.58 cM

Chr. 20
14.43 cM

 

[Yinwang888]

I don't understand --- if we can only detect family relations out to 4-5th cousins --- how can true-ancestry claim to detect it so far back? Isn't it more just a case of "you have roughly same ethnicity-make-up as this ancient person"

 

[Lukas]

I don't understand --- if we can only detect family relations out to 4-5th cousins --- how can true-ancestry claim to detect it so far back? Isn't it more just a case of "you have roughly same ethnicity-make-up as this ancient person"

Yes, exactly. I can play in K15 Ancient (http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15ancient-vahaduo.htm) for fun with my results compared to ancients but not to take it seriously that I'm straight descendant of Av2 or Sunghir sample, this is just similarity... The same situation is with MTA results

Moreover it was proven many times that especially deep dive is unreliable or at least cM values are few times higher than it should be.

 

[Carlos]

 

[Salento]

my Roman Era Iberia:

Deep Dive Map:

 

[Carlos]

1. Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (2385 BC) ..... 3.586 - UNTA58_68Sk1 -
Top

100​

% match vs all users

2. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (990 AD) ..... 4.463 - R63 -
Top

100​

% match vs all users

3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) ..... 5.479 - FN_2
Top

99​

% match vs all users

4. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) ..... 5.576 - I12034 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

22. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 9.459 - LM_406_T -
Top

99​

% match vs all users



The sample R474 is practically me in relation to my own kit.

The Etruscan samples also have stutters in the 200 examples, perhaps there are no segments for the quality of the samples.

81. Tartessian Archaic Andalusia (600 BC) ..... 14.6 - I12561 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

103. Tartessian Archaic Andalusia (600 BC) ..... 16.13 - I12171 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

150. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.49 - I7162 -
Top

99​

% match vs all users

R74

Mine

R74 mtDNA

Mine

Sorry romans But nothing is for ever. Maybe you came to believe that it was all over with us but in fact it had just started lol

 

[Duarte]

3. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 9.714 - R474 - Similar Samples:

Some related to R474 with details:

 

[Angela]

my Roman Era Iberia:

Deep Dive Map:

Yes, I guess they liked the climate. The one from the Roman Villa in Tarragona is intriguing. I like Tarragona, nice city, and nice amphitheater, too. I like Catalonia as a whole a lot, feel very "at home" there.

Ah, wait, two other villa ones from the south as well. So, settlers probably, not just merchants or whatever.

@Carlos,
Getting a bit rude, aren't we?

 

[Jovialis]

Sorry romans But nothing is for ever. Maybe you came to believe that it was all over with us but in fact it had just started lol

I'm starting to find that these values are wrong. For example, R1548 is supposed to be my number 1 on MTA, but it is far from it. Currently R973 is my number on the Dodecad K12b version I am compiling on mlukas's site.

Northern Italians are actually closer to most Latins and Etruscans samples, than Spaniards:

Example:

Distance to:	IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
2.98306889	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
5.54009928	IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
6.03394564	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
6.29099356	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
8.21318452	North_Italian
8.35141305	Baleares
8.99323635	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
10.23018573	N_Italian
11.22772016	Galicia
11.69795281	Spaniards
12.46485459	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
12.50926457	Extremadura
12.55556052	Castilla_Y_Leon
12.62493168	Andalucia
12.85807528	Murcia
12.91240102	Cataluna
13.51998891	Cantabria
13.52852172	Valencia
13.65238807	Spanish
13.82596109	Portuguese
14.50117581	Castilla_La_Mancha
14.70424769	Aragon
15.78121351	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
15.92883863	TSI30
16.54642257	Canarias

Distance to:	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
3.27873451	IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
5.78160877	North_Italian
5.95183165	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
6.29099356	IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
6.78988218	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
8.38279786	N_Italian
8.87318996	Baleares
10.23676218	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
10.98056465	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
11.14162017	Galicia
12.35530251	Murcia
12.82465984	Extremadura
13.07071153	Spaniards
13.12059831	TSI30
13.36231642	Andalucia
13.40997763	Castilla_Y_Leon
13.81376849	Portuguese
14.28975507	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
14.40643953	Cataluna
14.67480494	Spanish
15.05738689	Tuscan
15.22069315	Cantabria
15.23212067	Castilla_La_Mancha
15.39107858	Valencia
16.25906824	Aragon

Distance to:	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
2.98306889	IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
5.03751923	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
5.14806760	IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
6.75586412	North_Italian
6.78988218	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
8.69822970	N_Italian
9.72521465	Baleares
10.82441684	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
11.71405566	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
12.72055816	Galicia
13.65209874	Spaniards
13.66606015	Andalucia
13.68447295	Extremadura
13.72961762	TSI30
14.12451061	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
14.14446181	Murcia
14.19710534	Castilla_Y_Leon
14.95184938	Cataluna
14.96557049	Portuguese
15.46727513	Tuscan
15.51092518	Spanish
15.51673290	Valencia
15.71011776	Cantabria
16.39121106	Castilla_La_Mancha
16.74619360	Aragon

Distance to:	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
4.01160816	IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
5.03751923	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
5.15760603	North_Italian
5.95183165	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
6.03394564	IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
7.87889586	N_Italian
8.24389471	Baleares
11.06406345	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
11.32371847	Andalucia
11.42493764	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
11.42629424	Galicia
11.95574339	Murcia
12.07648128	Extremadura
12.25715301	TSI30
12.59229129	Spaniards
12.99406788	Castilla_Y_Leon
13.45805707	Portuguese
14.10107088	Tuscan
14.26729827	Cataluna
14.31892454	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
14.36500609	Spanish
14.53080865	Valencia
14.78261817	Castilla_La_Mancha
14.93880183	Canarias
14.97183356	Cantabria

Distance to:	IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
3.27873451	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
4.01160816	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
5.14806760	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
5.24512154	North_Italian
5.54009928	IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
8.03976368	N_Italian
8.21257572	Baleares
10.85773457	Galicia
10.87764221	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.98685578	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
11.64063572	Murcia
12.06155048	Extremadura
12.15138675	Andalucia
12.49035628	TSI30
12.74874111	Castilla_Y_Leon
12.84337962	Spaniards
13.02558636	Portuguese
14.10738814	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
14.29485922	Spanish
14.48704249	Cataluna
14.48716673	Tuscan
14.59809577	Canarias
15.02812031	Castilla_La_Mancha
15.03589040	Valencia
15.10769340	Cantabria

Distance to:	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
5.40006481	N_Italian
7.56863924	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
8.09843195	North_Italian
10.68767982	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
10.87764221	IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
10.98056465	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
11.06406345	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
11.71405566	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
12.03535625	LA_Celio_R36
12.08194107	Baleares
12.08642627	O_Italian
12.12151393	TSI30
12.46485459	IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
12.76096000	Galicia
13.43684859	Extremadura
14.08415422	Portuguese
14.15437388	Tuscan
14.17464638	Albanian_North
14.26640459	Albanian_Kosovo
15.65916026	Murcia
15.83631902	Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
16.08680515	Castilla_Y_Leon
16.25876994	LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
16.41527642	Cataluna
16.49286816	French

Distance to:	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
7.11862346	O_Italian
7.18894985	N_Italian
7.51609606	Albanian_North
7.56863924	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
7.76251248	Albanian_Kosovo
8.94220890	LA_Celio_R36
9.42569891	TSI30
10.32626263	North_Italian
10.61324644	Tuscan
12.67284893	C_Italian
12.72463359	Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
13.02779337	MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
13.46066492	LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
13.87592880	MA_Villa_Magna_R60
14.10656230	LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
14.10738814	IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
14.12451061	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
14.28975507	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
14.31892454	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
15.04893352	Bulgarians
15.06029880	Romanians
15.41974708	Bulgarian
15.78121351	IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
15.89171168	MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
16.03948877	Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836

Distance to:	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
4.59913035	S_Italian_Sicilian
4.83577295	Sicilian
5.37071690	Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
5.58436209	MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
5.75484144	MA_Villa_Magna_R65
5.92564764	MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
6.53716299	MA_Villa_Magna_R59
6.57532509	LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
6.62618291	C_Italian
8.68328855	LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
9.89564551	MA_Villa_Magna_R60
10.09640530	MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
10.16248001	Ashkenazi
10.49031935	Tuscan
10.64005169	Ashkenazy_Jews
11.10535456	LA_Celio_R36
11.26179382	Greek
11.34612709	Greek_Crete
11.40172794	Sephardic_Jews
11.72748055	TSI30
11.99572424	O_Italian
12.17614060	Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548
12.92229856	Morocco_Jews
13.00421086	MA_Villa_Magna_R57
13.37198938	Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549

Distance to:	IA_Latin_Ardea_R850
3.90799181	Greek_Crete
4.90446735	Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548
7.13377179	Ashkenazy_Jews
7.74058137	Sephardic_Jews
7.82175172	Ashkenazi
9.49243910	MA_Villa_Magna_R65
10.15725357	S_Italian_Sicilian
10.43784940	Sicilian
10.88449356	Greek_Cappadocia
11.74901272	MA_Villa_Magna_R59
11.86263040	Cypriots
11.99563671	MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
12.08694751	Nusayri_Turkey
12.19292418	Morocco_Jews
13.12759689	Crimean_Tatar_Coast
13.17106678	Turk_West_BlackSea
13.49063008	Turk_Central_West
13.55089296	MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
14.08757609	Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
14.10277987	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
14.16544387	Greek
14.43175665	Turk_Central_East
14.45064012	Turk_Anatolia
14.88196224	MA_Villa_Magna_R60
15.19421600	Turk_Southwest

The only one that I see is closest to Iberians is R435:

Distance to:	IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
7.26140482	Baleares
7.44595192	Galicia
7.98874208	Cataluna
8.99323635	IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
9.01121523	Spaniards
9.17724359	Extremadura
9.91413133	Castilla_Y_Leon
10.23676218	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
10.27070105	Portuguese
10.32665483	Spanish
10.44412754	French
10.63531852	Cantabria
10.68767982	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.82441684	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
10.98685578	IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
11.10933391	French
11.39798228	Murcia
11.42493764	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
11.60238769	Valencia
11.86962510	Castilla_La_Mancha
12.09465584	North_Italian
12.27742644	N_Italian
12.63263235	Aragon
12.88846771	Andalucia
16.05179118	Canarias

 

[Carlos]

^^
I don't know, every calculator is one is a surprise. They probably all have some truth and everything is not quite right. Next year they will probably have changed again. It would be wonderful if they made each one a custom calculator with our tastes, desires and desires. Look, some have been lucky and have done it.