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mlukas said:
Problem is on yourdnaportal there are only 8 positions in distance list.
I can later make list for you up to 50 for example in nMonte on my computer, will post.
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that would be great. thanks (y)
 
My YourDNAportal results

[h=3]Closest population distances[/h]
Population Distance
BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577 0.8138778
IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1 0.9158936
I1767_Beaker_Britain 1.0586737
EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon 1.0802194
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18 1.1105017
BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE150 1.2261611
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23 1.3095858
I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton 1.3359061
Population Value
IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1 34.8
BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577 26.2
I1767_Beaker_Britain 10.4
CWC_Denmark_RISE61 5
DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC 2.6
I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton 2.4
I5385_Scotland_Bell_Beaker 2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480 1.6
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23 1.4
EMA_Hinxton2_Anglosaxon 1.2
IA_Wielbark_Kow_22_PL 1.2
BA_Srubnaya_I0235 0.8
CWC_Germany_I0108 0.8
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent 0.8
MBA_Germany__RISE471 0.8
BA_Hungary_RISE373 0.6
I10851_medieval_Catalonia 0.6
I3759_Celtiberian 0.6
IA_Wielbark_Kow_26_PL 0.6
BA_Srubnaya_I0358 0.4
BA_Unetice_Germany_I0047 0.4
BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE139 0.4
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241 0.4
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0171 0.4
IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16 0.4
SZ23_Longobard 0.4
i3759_Celtiberian_IA 0.4
BA_Portugal_ERR1524174 0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486 0.2
CL23_north-Italian 0.2
CL83_Celto-Longobard 0.2
I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL 0.2
MBA_Armenia_RISE413 0.2
N_Sweden_Gökhem7 0.2
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 0.2
SZ3_Longobard 0.2
SZ45_Pannonian 0.2
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 0.2

 
timberwolf said:
My YourDNAportal results

Closest population distances

Population Distance
BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577 0.8138778
IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1 0.9158936
I1767_Beaker_Britain 1.0586737
EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon 1.0802194
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18 1.1105017
BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE150 1.2261611
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23 1.3095858
I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton 1.3359061
Population Value
IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1 34.8
BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577 26.2
I1767_Beaker_Britain 10.4
CWC_Denmark_RISE61 5
DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC 2.6
I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton 2.4
I5385_Scotland_Bell_Beaker 2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480 1.6
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23 1.4
EMA_Hinxton2_Anglosaxon 1.2
IA_Wielbark_Kow_22_PL 1.2
BA_Srubnaya_I0235 0.8
CWC_Germany_I0108 0.8
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent 0.8
MBA_Germany__RISE471 0.8
BA_Hungary_RISE373 0.6
I10851_medieval_Catalonia 0.6
I3759_Celtiberian 0.6
IA_Wielbark_Kow_26_PL 0.6
BA_Srubnaya_I0358 0.4
BA_Unetice_Germany_I0047 0.4
BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE139 0.4
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241 0.4
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0171 0.4
IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16 0.4
SZ23_Longobard 0.4
i3759_Celtiberian_IA 0.4
BA_Portugal_ERR1524174 0.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486 0.2
CL23_north-Italian 0.2
CL83_Celto-Longobard 0.2
I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL 0.2
MBA_Armenia_RISE413 0.2
N_Sweden_Gökhem7 0.2
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 0.2
SZ3_Longobard 0.2
SZ45_Pannonian 0.2
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 0.2
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What is your opinion about results?
 
PLA DE L'HORTA (SARRIÀ DE TER, GIRONA): A NECROPOLIS WITH VISIGOUS INHUMATIONS IN THE EASTERN TARRACONENSE

visigodogerona.jpg


Are the MytrueAncestry Visigoths from this site?
 
Here are my results for Eurogenes K36 Ancient, using my new Superkit (Raw data: Helix Geno 2.0, 23andme, AncestryDNA, Living DNA, FTDNA) created in DNAkit studio, in FTDNA format [Accuracy: More accurate (slower)] :

Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


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Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 33083 ms
1 52.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 47.85% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.744
2 50.20% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.763
3 59.96% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 40.04% CL36_northItalian @ 6.196
4 68.16% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 31.84% BA_I9041_Mycenaean @ 6.572
5 78.32% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.68% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 6.628
6 74.02% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25.98% CL94_Iberian @ 6.629
7 50.20% CL36_northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.656
8 65.82% CL121__northItalian + 34.18% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 @ 6.674
9 77.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.85% BA_Hungary_RISE247 @ 6.700
10 76.37% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 23.63% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy @ 6.754
11 75.59% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 24.41% BA_Hungary_RISE483 @ 6.826
12 54.49% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 45.51% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.836
13 50.20% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.917
14 59.96% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 40.04% SZ40_Italian @ 7.071
15 56.05% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 43.95% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 7.094
16 67.77% CL121__northItalian + 32.23% EN_Anatolia_Tep003 @ 7.228
17 50.20% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.233
18 79.10% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.90% CHL_Iran_I1665 @ 7.293
19 77.93% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 22.07% MBA_Armenia_RISE423 @ 7.312
20 79.10% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.90% CHL_Iran_I1674 @ 7.374
21 50.20% SZ40_Italian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.432
22 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1662 @ 7.460
23 81.05% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 18.95% MN_Germany_I0807 @ 7.460
24 74.02% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25.98% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 7.502
25 83.01% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 16.99% N_Germany_I0048 @ 7.508
26 53.71% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 46.29% CL121__northItalian @ 7.520
27 63.48% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 36.52% SZ36_northItalian @ 7.543
28 50.20% CL121__northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.560
29 75.20% CL121__northItalian + 24.80% BA_I0070_Minoan @ 7.604
30 79.88% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.12% IA_LevantEgypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26 @ 7.655
31 77.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.85% BA_Hungary_RISE480 @ 7.669
32 76.76% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 23.24% i3757_Celtiberian_IA @ 7.853
33 81.84% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 18.16% N_Hungary_NE7 @ 7.869
34 77.93% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.07% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7.878
35 73.63% CL121__northItalian + 26.37% N_Levant__AinGhazal3 @ 7.964
36 80.27% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 19.73% MN_Germany_I0560 @ 7.983
37 65.04% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 34.96% BA_I9006_Mycenean @ 8.011
38 72.46% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 27.54% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 8.029
39 51.37% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 48.63% CL121__northItalian @ 8.038
40 50.20% CL121__northItalian + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8.043


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 11.518
2 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.270
3 100% CL121__northItalian @ 12.674
4 100% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 13.993
5 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 14.381
6 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 14.583
7 100% SZ40_Italian @ 15.307
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 15.752
9 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.584
10 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 16.902
New populations: 98


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.760
2 50% CL36_northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.639
3 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.911
4 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.224
5 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ40_Italian @ 7.418
6 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.556
7 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8.042
8 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 8.165
9 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% CL36_northItalian @ 8.181
10 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 8.198


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.422
2 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.746
3 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.824
4 33% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.285
5 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.781
6 33% CL36_northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.796
7 33% BA_I9033_Mycenaean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.841
8 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.893
9 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 33% SZ43_northItalian @ 5.934
10 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 6.010


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.534
2 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.646
3 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.673
4 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.674
5 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.680
6 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.734
7 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.791
8 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.802
9 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.870
10 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 4.918
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mlukas said:
What is your opinion about results?
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Pretty good.

I did note that Rise577 is again my closest match, also I don't know much about Rise150, and I thought that perhaps a couple of the Longobard samples nay have been a bit more prominent in the results.
 
Carlos said:
PLA DE L'HORTA (SARRIÀ DE TER, GIRONA): A NECROPOLIS WITH VISIGOUS INHUMATIONS IN THE EASTERN TARRACONENSE

visigodogerona.jpg


Are the MytrueAncestry Visigoths from this site?
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These are four of your Visigothic matches:
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032 (24.16)
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031 ((18.79)
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163 ((22.92)

We get similar "fits" to these Visigoths: not very good. :)

I didn't look up the specific y's for each one, but in general the Spanish elite "Visigoths" were not a particularly Germanic group by the time they arrived in Iberia.

As Markod pointed out in the relevant paper:
The 4 males from early Visigothic Pla de l'Horta (Catalonia) are R1b-L51, E-V13, J2a and I. These were Visigothic 'big men' from one of the most important necropolises of the period.

Some of the Visigoths have likely East Eurasian mtDNA too - C4a1a.

The Goths, unlike, it seems to me, the Langobards, very quickly absorbed people as they roamed Europe. The "Ostrogoth" labeled sample mytrueancestry uses couldn't be less "Germanic". Autosomally, this Gothic "high chief" buried in a Kurgan is Aegean Greek/Anatolian and carries J2a1a. (My fit to him is 22.

To this Visigothic sample you get a very good score, your best.

Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034

I was intrigued, so I went back to our thread on the Olade et al 2019 paper, and we discussed the Visigothic Spanish samples a lot.

From Tomenable:
"One Visigoth from Spain -I12031 - clusters with modern Serbs and has Balkan Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b1a1b1a.

This is Balkan haplogroup E-V13."

"So, the most Germanic of all five Visigoths with high coverage was I12163.

Here is my model for this sample (not saying it is the best possible one), he was 2/3 Germanic + 1/3 South Euro:

Swedish (Gotland) - 29.4%
Danish (Jutland) - 25.6%
Norway Finnmark - 3.4%
German Lower Saxony - 1.8%
North-East English - 4.2%
Spanish Castilla Leon - 18.8%
Portuguese - 1.6%
East Med (Lebanese Shia) - 8%
North Caucasian - 7.2%

Visigoth I12032 had significant Celtic admixture (Welsh-like and Breton-like) as well as Scandinavian Germanic.

In general, I12032 was 1/2 Celto-Germanic and 1/2 Southern European (mostly Iberian but also some East Med).

Interestingly, at least two Visigoths had Paleo-Balkan ancestry. Apparently they absorbed it on their way to Iberia:

Visigoth I12162 can be modeled as 1/3 Danish or North German (Schleswig), 1/5 South German from former Rhaetic-speaking areas (these South Germans are far from being pure Germanic), 1/4 North-East European (either Finnic, Baltic or Slavic - probably all three), over 10% Pre-Slavic Balkan (Bronze Age Croatia, Iron Age Bulgaria) and about 10% Sardinian (extra EEF admixture, likely also absorbed in the Balkans). He also had minor Asian admixture (from Huns etc.?).

Visigoth I12031 - this one had around 1/4 Paleo-Balkan ancestry, also 1/4 North Italian (North-West - like Aosta, and North-Central - like Lombardy; maybe some French Gaulish too), 10% similar to modern North Albanians (so also Balkan likely), 1/5 to 1/4 North-East European (including some Slavic apparently, but not exclusively), 6% North Caucasus (Alans?), 5% local Iberian and 5% East Med (Druze).

Visigoth I12034 - this one was ca. 80-85% Native Iberian, 10-15% Germanic (with some Celtic), 5% Slavic.


"Anyone who wants to understand their matches to all these newly included Iberian matches should really re-read this thread.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38084-Two-Iberia-Papers-with-article/page3
 
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The new Superkit (1,224,690 SNPs) I've uploaded to MyTrueAncestry has nearly identical results in both FTDNA, and Ancestry DNA format. Moreover, I get the same exact map and timeline, as well as deep dive (Just the one Mycenaean) The results are exactly the same on Eurogenes K36 Ancient for both formats.

MTA - DNAkit Studio (FTDNA)
1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.412) - SZ40
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.3) - CL38
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.04) - CL30
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.51) - CL25
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.02) - SZ36
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.43) - I9033
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.5) - I9041
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.19) - SZ43

MTA - DNAkit Studio (AncestryDNA)
1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006

Eurogenes K36 Ancient (FTDNA & AncestryDNA format)

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 11.518
2 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.270
3 100% CL121__northItalian @ 12.674
4 100% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 13.993
5 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 14.381
6 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 14.583
7 100% SZ40_Italian @ 15.307
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 15.752
9 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.584
10 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 16.902
 
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Only change for myself on truancestry is ancient relatives part

Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany

300 BC

Total cM=4.36
Largest segment=4.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 81)


Mycenaean

1350 BC

Total cM=1.83
Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)



Alemannic Bavaria

450 AD

Total cM=2.24
Largest segment=1.25 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 9)







and son's changes are below

Alemannic Bavaria

450 AD

Total cM=10.82
Largest segment=5.56 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 9)





Illyrian / Dalmatia

1200 BC

Total cM=1.66
Largest segment=1.66 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 40)
Largest segment=1.06 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 42)



Czech Velke Prilepy

0 AD

Total cM=1.06

Largest segment=1.06 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 42)



 
I keep seeing some of you mention a superkit. I had to go look that up and it sounds awesome, but is there a simple way to make one for someone incredibly tech challenged like myself? Thanks.
 
pippi said:
I keep seeing some of you mention a superkit. I had to go look that up and it sounds awesome, but is there a simple way to make one for someone incredibly tech challenged like myself? Thanks.
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Scroll down at the bottom to download the zip file:
http://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/

You can merge your raw data with this tool to make a Superkit (i.e. a combination of your various raw data files)

GEDmatch also has a Superkit creation feature, but it is only available with tier 1 membership ($10)
 
Sorry, a few of more questions...
I have an Ancestry, 23andme and LivingDNA. Which should be the "base file" and what am I supposed to put for output file section? Do I leave all the merge options on the default settings? Thanks again. I told you I am not very tech savvy. ha
 
pippi said:
Sorry, a few of more questions...
I have an Ancestry, 23andme and LivingDNA. Which should be the "base file" and what am I supposed to put for output file section? Do I leave all the merge options on the default settings? Thanks again. I told you I am not very tech savvy. ha
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I have been doing a lot of experimenting with gedmatch, and the DNA analyzer in the DNA kit studio software. I find that there should be some general consistency between your results. But with more SNPs you use, you will see there is a trend towards more accurate results.

In terms of format, it really depends on what the calculator you're using, is prioritized for. 23andme format does not work well with MytrueAncestry. Sometimes, results do not show up at all. Though, I've seen people get really decent results with 23andme sometimes. Ancestry, and FTDNA have almost even results in format. I think they are the best for this calculator.

Ancestry, 23andme, and LivingDNA should combine easily. I would recommend putting it in all three formats. But Ancestry usually works really well, I find.
 
Okay, thanks. I will have to just try to play around with it and figure it out. Looking forward to see how it changes mytrueancestry results.
 
Angela said:
These are four of your Visigothic matches:
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032 (24.16)
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031 ((18.79)
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163 ((22.92)

We get similar "fits". Not very good.

I didn't look up the specific y's for each one, but in general the Spanish elite "Visigoths" were not a particularly Germanic group by the time they arrived in Iberia.

As Markod pointed out in the relevant paper:
The 4 males from early Visigothic Pla de l'Horta (Catalonia) are R1b-L51, E-V13, J2a and I. These were Visigothic 'big men' from one of the most important necropolises of the period.

Some of the Visigoths have likely East Eurasian mtDNA too - C4a1a.

The Goths, unlike, it seems to me, the Langobards, very quickly absorbed people as they roamed Europe. The "Ostrogoth" labeled sample mytrueancestry uses couldn't be less "Germanic". Autosomally, this Gothic "high chief" buried in a Kurgan is Aegean Greek/Anatolian and carries J2a1a. (My fit to him is 22.

To this Visigothic sample you get a very good score, your best.

Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034

I was intrigued, so I went back to our thread on the Olade et al 2019 paper, and we discussed the Visigothic Spanish samples a lot.

From Tomenable:
"One Visigoth from Spain -I12031 - clusters with modern Serbs and has Balkan Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b1a1b1a.

This is Balkan haplogroup E-V13."
Visigoth I12031 - this one had around 1/4 Paleo-Balkan ancestry, also 1/4 North Italian (North-West - like Aosta, and North-Central - like Lombardy; maybe some French Gaulish too), 10% similar to modern North Albanians (so also Balkan likely), 1/5 to 1/4 North-East European (including some Slavic apparently, but not exclusively), 6% North Caucasus (Alans?), 5% local Iberian and 5% East Med (Druze).


I am E-V22 but I do not know if it is possible that my father was E-V13 or my grandfather, I do not know if that is possible or that some E-V22 had reached the Indo-Europeans because these results in MyTrueAncestry are obtained by dna And from any region of Spain I get results by mitochondrial DNA, I have to go to Portugal, Slovenia, etc.

I was looking at all those skeletons in the pdf file that could not be downloaded and I searched Google and I found the skeleton that had caught my attention because of the bones of the legs with that inward inclination like me and my second brother have legs a little inwards.

http://aespa.revistas.csic.es/index.php/aespa/article/viewFile/53/53

I have done this deep research of walking around house totally amateur. The closest value I get from Castilla y León and you were right finally the Alano came out.


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mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCAWESTGERMAN.jpg



mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCAOSSETIAN.jpg


mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCAGEORGIA.jpg

"Anyone who wants to understand their matches to all these newly included Iberian matches should really re-read this thread.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38084-Two-Iberia-Papers-with-article/page3
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Proposal for MyTrueAncestry on a section where you can see who were all these people without having to go crazy looking online.

It would also be very interesting if MyTrueAncestry started making a character card for each individual or as many as possible. Who, where, how and when, photographs of the burial, if there is facial reconstruction include it, e.t.c. everything that is known about the ancient character. It would be the bomb, a great disclosure and a closeness for the general public in a more understandable, tangible and close to the multitude of cold data and figures They would cover themselves and earn a lot of money materializing all this data in images. I renounce my percentage, life is so fleeting.
 
Carlos, that would be amazing! I appreciate they put links to have a jumping off point for research. However, sifting through some of the research papers linked to find the info on each sample is a bit of a pain and pretty dry in some cases.
 
pippi said:
Carlos, that would be amazing! I appreciate they put links to have a jumping off point for research. However, sifting through some of the research papers linked to find the info on each sample is a bit of a pain and pretty dry in some cases.
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They are dedicated to it. Would it be painful for a mechanic to ask him to fix the car?
 
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