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    Mytrueancestry.com

    Free upload and calculator. Just signup and upload. You can delete it after too. It compares you against a database of ancient samples and models you based on the closest matching populations. Here’s my results. Upgrades only show hidden matches. Doesn’t change the results. Blue dots are confirmed populations. The darker the closer you are. More faded more distant. Red are those where few samples for said population exist so not as conclusive.










    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


    1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.169)
    2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.684)
    3. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (11.61)
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    5. Central Roman (670 AD) (13.04)
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    7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (13.96)
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    9. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (14.09)
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    Your closest genetic modern populations...


    1. Greek_Thessaly (7.839)
    2. Greek (9.494)
    3. Tuscan (10.09)
    4. Central_Greek (12.00)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gash View Post


    The question I have is, how confident are we that Roman sample in the Balkans is genetically Roman? It seems Balkan people get more Roman than Illyrian and people of Roman heritage are getting Illyrian and Thracian first. Spaniards and north Italians. Then south Slavs are mostly Scythian and Avar with some mix of Roman and Celt or Germanic. It can be a bit confusing. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    The question I have is, how confident are we that Roman sample in the Balkans is genetically Roman? It seems Balkan people get more Roman than Illyrian and people of Roman heritage are getting Illyrian and Thracian first. Spaniards and north Italians. Then south Slavs are mostly Scythian and Avar with some mix of Roman and Celt or Germanic. It can be a bit confusing. Lol.

    Yeah, Roman is probably just native Balkan ancestry. Pre Slavic Balkan people possibly were like Tuscans / Italians or Romans.

    Those samples found in Dalmatia were like Iberians almost though I find it interesting how I match them. It proves what I said right. that female from Dalmatia was almost like some modern Albanians except it was scoring 21 North West europe shifting it West from us, she also had high similarity with Albania. She's like 80% Albanian/Balkan going by my calculations. The J2b2 was a bit more distant autosomally.


    They did not use Vucedol sample for this one which was even closer to us nor did they use Bronze Age from Montenegro found years ago which was almost like some Northern Albos / Bulgarians.

    I also found it interesting how I got Thracian while other Albanians didn't. Some Thracian sample found years ago was like a Tuscan basically and scored 99% Balkan.


    I saw an Albo from Montenegro also got Ilyrian but he didn't get Thracian. Yet he got Hellenic Roman which I didn't even get. Though it is really interesting it also shows we ain't all identical. I see many of you Albos come out more Ancient Greek than me also. Its possibly Ilyrians that lived in Albania maybe were Ancient Greek like or more Neolithic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gash View Post
    Yeah, Roman is probably just native Balkan ancestry. Pre Slavic Balkan people possibly were like Tuscans / Italians or Romans.

    Those samples found in Dalmatia were like Iberians almost though I find it interesting how I match them. It proves what I said right. that female from Dalmatia was almost like some modern Albanians except it was scoring 21 North West europe shifting it West from us, she also had high similarity with Albania. She's like 80% Albanian/Balkan going by my calculations. The J2b2 was a bit more distant autosomally.


    They did not use Vucedol sample for this one which was even closer to us nor did they use Bronze Age from Montenegro found years ago which was almost like some Northern Albos / Bulgarians.

    I also found it interesting how I got Thracian while other Albanians didn't. Some Thracian sample found years ago was like a Tuscan basically and scored 99% Balkan.


    I saw an Albo from Montenegro also got Ilyrian but he didn't get Thracian. Yet he got Hellenic Roman which I didn't even get. Though it is really interesting it also shows we ain't all identical. I see many of you Albos come out more Ancient Greek than me also. Its possibly Ilyrians that lived in Albania maybe were Ancient Greek like or more Neolithic.
    Very true. But it’s also problematic. Take Global25 by Davidski. Some argue it’s more accurate than some other algorithms. Sure enough I have close distance with the Illyrian and Thracian in my top 5. With only one roman sample in this map being first. Also after Hellenic Roman, Thracian was my next closest on “mytrueancestry”. Take this G25 of mine for instance. Balkan BA/IA samples at a distance between 2-3. I don’t know what makes G25 more accurate but apparently Davidski uses the whole dna file to produce the coordinates.

    ]https://i.postimg.cc/C5SKsVDn/6-B81-...A606872-CB.jpg

    said samples were in mytrueancestry, whose algorithm had me at a distance of 7 from the Romans. Yet per G25 a distance of 2.5-3 sample to sample. Perhaps they collectively averaged the samples they deemed Illyrian or Thracian hence roman being closer on average?

    Illyrian, Tharcian & Scintian ancient samples - Reference articles "linked" by MyTrueAncestry

    Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) - I3313
    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

    Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) - I4332
    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

    Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) - I5769
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778

    Scythian Moldova (270 BC) - scy192
    http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Very true. But it’s also problematic. Take Global25 by Davidski. Some argue it’s more accurate than some other algorithms. Sure enough I have close distance with the Illyrian and Thracian in my top 5. With only one roman sample in this map being first. Also after Hellenic Roman, Thracian was my next closest on “mytrueancestry”. Take this G25 of mine for instance. Balkan BA/IA samples at a distance between 2-3. I don’t know what makes G25 more accurate but apparently Davidski uses the whole dna file to produce the coordinates.

    ]https://i.postimg.cc/C5SKsVDn/6-B81-...A606872-CB.jpg
    Yeah, I saw you got Thracian but I saw some other Albos didn't.

    Yeah, no doubt that you should also get it close. Vucedol sample especially should be close to us all. But they didn't use it I think. It also depends what other populations one matches and how close.

    How do you do global 25 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Dang splitting hairs much?

    hellenic Roman
    roman greek
    ancient greek
    central ancient Hellenic Roman mycenaenoid
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Dang splitting hairs much?

    hellenic Roman
    roman greek
    ancient greek
    central ancient Hellenic Roman mycenaenoid
    "I know that I know nothing" therefore ”VENI VIDI VICI”

    Yep, LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    "I know that I know nothing" therefore ”VENI VIDI VICI”

    Yep, LOL

    Our results are mostly the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Our results are mostly the same
    At first sight, It looks similar.

    The algorithm randomly hides some populations, probably the Illyrians are hidden in our case, especially if we don't carry as much.

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    I had no idea that my DNA was so "British" given my family tree and what I know about my ancestry. Mostly Norway, Denmark, Ostfriesland (Lower Saxony), Mecklenburg, Hannover along with some distant English, French and Irish. I'm guessing due to my American ethnicity and how mixed we are as a people, it may look a lot like the British Isles, who are also a hodgepodge of people from NW Europe.

    Your closest Ancient populations


    Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
    Celt + Longobard (3.315)
    Longobard (5.104)
    Celt (6.764)
    Saxon (7.239)


    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


    1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452)
    2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104)
    3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469)
    4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941)
    5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126)
    6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764)
    7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875)
    8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22)
    9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239)
    10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539)
    11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546)
    12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637)
    13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64)
    14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847)
    15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95)
    16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037)
    17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04)
    18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084)
    19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12)
    20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14)

    Your closest genetic modern populations...


    1. Irish (3.811)
    2. West_Scottish (4.094)
    3. Orcadian (4.193)
    4. North_Dutch (4.377)
    5. Southeast_English (4.667)
    6. Southwest_English (5.083)
    7. Danish (6.023)
    8. Welsh (7.603)



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    My results are consistent with my ancestry, and I always end up midpoint between my 2 main populations.



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    Your closest Ancient populations...

    Roman (7.957)

    Gallo-Roman + Roman (8.832)
    Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (10.58)
    Gallo-Roman (12.61)
    Hellenic Roman (15.09)

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

    1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.957)
    3. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.448)
    5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (12.61)
    7. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (15.09)
    9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (15.37)

    Your closest genetic modern populations...

    1. Kosovan (3.825)
    2. Bulgarian (6.513)
    3. Greek (8.016)
    4. Bosnian (8.594)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dema View Post
    Your closest Ancient populations...

    Roman (7.957)

    Gallo-Roman + Roman (8.832)
    Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (10.58)
    Gallo-Roman (12.61)
    Hellenic Roman (15.09)

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

    1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.957)
    3. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.448)
    5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (12.61)
    7. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (15.09)
    9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (15.37)

    Your closest genetic modern populations...

    1. Kosovan (3.825)
    2. Bulgarian (6.513)
    3. Greek (8.016)
    4. Bosnian (8.594)
    Gallo Roman. Theres a first. Haven't seen any Albanian get it so far. Pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Gallo Roman. Theres a first. Haven't seen any Albanian get it so far. Pretty cool.
    Hi, Dibran.
    I am far from you and Angela with respect to the capacity of interpretation of data from human genetic samples and their correlations with ancient history and modern history. Both of you are masters of the subject, and all that a can I have to do to is read, learn, and admire the knowledge that you both have, as well as so also have many very other assidous members of this forum.
    Eupedia is a great virtual school and I'm very happy to be here.
    Next, I put my modest impression on, and if I'm wrong, do not feel yourself embarrassed to correct me.
    Archaeologically, the Gauls were bearers of the La Tène culture, which extended across all of Gaul, as well as east to Raetia, Noricum, Pannonia, and southwestern Germania during the 5th to 1st centuries BC. During the 2nd and 1st centuries BC, Gaul fell under Roman rule: Gallia Cisalpina was conquered in 203 BC and Gallia Narbonensis in 123 BC. Gaul was invaded after 120 BC by the Cimbri and the Teutons, who were in turn defeated by the Romans by 103 BC. Julius Caesar finally subdued the remaining parts of Gaul in his campaigns of 58 to 51 BC.
    Pannonia was a province of the Roman Empire bounded north and east by the Danube, coterminous westward with Noricum and upper Italy, and southward with Dalmatia and upper Moesia. Pannonia was located over the territory of the present-day western Hungary, eastern Austria, northern Croatia, north-western Serbia, northern Slovenia, western Slovakia and northern Bosnia and Herzegovina.
    In this sense, imo, it makes sense that some Albanians may have some relationship with the Gallo-Romans, considering that these ancient peoples also seem to have come so far, very close to what is now modern Albania.
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    Hey I’m albanian and got gallo roman, I also got Ostrogoth, what is Ostrogoth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleci View Post
    Hey I’m albanian and got gallo roman, I also got Ostrogoth, what is Ostrogoth?



    Originating from Scandinavia, the Goths of Eastern Europe were shattered when Attila and the Huns blasted onto the scene. The Gothic kingdom was split - those who crossed the Danube to enter the Roman Empire became the Visigoths. The Ostrogoths who remained in Dacia to face the Huns became their vassals. They migrated into the Roman province of Pannonia (modern day Hungary, Austria and Crotia) and fought with their Hunnic overlords against the Romans, Visigoths and their allies. When the Hunnic empire was defeated, the newly independent Ostrogoths remained in Pannonia. When the western Roman empire collapsed to the warlord Odoacer, the Byzantines looked to the Ostrogoth King Theodoric to reclaim Italy in 488 AD. After liberating Italy, the Byzantines treated Theodoric as an equal. Under Theodoric's rule, Italy flourished and Roman laws and customs continued under Ostrogothic rule, becoming the strongest in western Europe. In 535 AD after Theodoric's death, the Gothic war with Byzantium began and Emperor Justinian won ending the Ostrogothic kingdom.




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    Your closest Ancient populations...

    Hellenic Roman



    Hellenic RomansRomansOstrogoths


    Roman + Ostrogoth (6.621)
    Hellenic Roman + Roman (6.761)
    Hellenic Roman (8.164)
    Roman (8.475)
    Ostrogoth (16.36)

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

    1. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (8.164)
    2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.475)
    3. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.19)
    4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.45)
    5. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.54)
    6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.69)
    7. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (14.15)
    8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (16.12)
    9. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (16.36)

    Your closest genetic modern populations...

    1. Italian_Abruzzo (5.612)
    2. West_Sicilian (6.496)
    3. Greek (7.806)
    4. Tuscan (8.618)



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