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That Iberian sample is half Catalan, and half from Andalusia, but I don't know whether it's the western or eastern half, which, from what I remember, skew somewhat differently.

Some people make a distinction between TSI and other Tuscan samples, claiming TSI is more "southern". I get hits to both and the differences are minimal.

These are the 1000 Genomes reference samples. If they'd used a difference reference set the information might have been more fine-grained.

SZ43 (3.6) is my closest match, then CL36 (4.5), then SZ36 (6.8). I think SZ36 is pretty close to Tuscans. I have no idea why CL36 doesn't appear on the chart.
 
[h=2]Answer:[/h][FONT="]There are 26 different populations which are part of our study from many different locations around the globe. The following table lists these populations and indicates what data we currently have available for them.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[TH="align: center"]Population Code[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Population Description[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Super Population Code[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Sequence Data Available[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Alignment Data Available[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Variant Data Available[/TH]
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[TD="align: center"]CHB[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Han Chinese in Beijing, China[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]JPT[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Japanese in Tokyo, Japan[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CHS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Southern Han Chinese[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CDX[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Chinese Dai in Xishuangbanna, China[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]KHV[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Kinh in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CEU[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Utah Residents (CEPH) with Northern and Western European Ancestry[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EUR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]TSI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Toscani in Italia[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EUR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]FIN[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Finnish in Finland[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EUR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]GBR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]British in England and Scotland[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EUR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]IBS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Iberian Population in Spain[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]EUR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]YRI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Yoruba in Ibadan, Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AFR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]LWK[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Luhya in Webuye, Kenya[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AFR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]GWD[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Gambian in Western Divisions in the Gambia[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AFR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]MSL[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Mende in Sierra Leone[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AFR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]ESN[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Esan in Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AFR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]ASW[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Americans of African Ancestry in SW USA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AFR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]ACB[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]African Caribbeans in Barbados[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AFR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]MXL[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Mexican Ancestry from Los Angeles USA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AMR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]PUR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Puerto Ricans from Puerto Rico[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AMR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CLM[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Colombians from Medellin, Colombia[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AMR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]PEL[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Peruvians from Lima, Peru[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]AMR[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]GIH[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Gujarati Indian from Houston, Texas[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]SAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]PJL[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]SAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]BEB[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Bengali from Bangladesh[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]SAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]STU[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Sri Lankan Tamil from the UK[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]SAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]ITU[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Indian Telugu from the UK[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]SAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[FONT="]These populations have been divided into 5 super populations[/FONT]
  • AFR, African
  • AMR, Ad Mixed American
  • EAS, East Asian
  • EUR, European
  • SAS, South Asian


Thanks, Duarte ! Thanks, Angela !
 
That Iberian sample is half Catalan, and half from Andalusia, but I don't know whether it's the western or eastern half, which, from what I remember, skew somewhat differently.

Some people make a distinction between TSI and other Tuscan samples, claiming TSI is more "southern". I get hits to both and the differences are minimal.

These are the 1000 Genomes reference samples. If they'd used a difference reference set the information might have been more fine-grained.

SZ43 (3.6) is my closest match, then CL36 (4.5), then SZ36 (6.8). I think SZ36 is pretty close to Tuscans. I have no idea why CL36 doesn't appear on the chart.

SZ45, which they're calling Cisalpine Gaul, who would be people living in Northern Italy after, perhaps, the Gallic invasions, is, they say, 50% IBS or Iberian, and 50% Southeastern European, which I think means Greek like. On the admixture chart it doesn't look like that at all to me. The sample has some IBS material, but what makes him different is Great Britain like material, which of course is a blend of "Celt" and "Germanic", indeed perhaps Langobardic.

He's also found in Pannonia (present day Hungary), and nowhere near Cisalpine Gaul. When we get some samples from Cisalpine Gaul before the Romans settled people there, we'll see how similar they are to this sample. If there were people like that there, perhaps they were also there by the time of Collegno, which is why I've always been leery of assuming that all people in Northern Italy at the time the Langobards arrived were like some of the more "southern" like Collegno samples. Then, and now, the people in Northern Italy might have still been pretty heterogeneous.
 
I have no idea why CL36 doesn't appear on the chart.


[FONT=fira_sans]CL36:[/FONT]
[FONT=fira_sans]mtDNA: X2b[/FONT]

CL36 is close to modern Emilians. I made a wild nMonte run just to check what he could be composed of:

[1] "distance%=2.3663"

Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL36

Croatia_vLBA,58.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,21.6
Samaritan,11
Anatolia_MLBA,4.6
Mozabite,2.5
Beaker_Northern_Italy,1.7
Croatia_MBA,0
Hungary_BA:I1504,0
Beaker_Central_Europe,0
Peloponnese_N_o:I3920,0
Mycenaean,0
Anatolia_BA,0
Anatolia_EBA,0
Anatolia_IA,0
Druze,0
Levant_BA,0
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe,0
England_Roman_o:3DT26,0

Seems to be predominantly a mix of Iron Age east-central Italians (if they happened to be similar to LBA Dalmatia) and some substantial Celtic admixture. But some later exotic accretions are not lacking, especially Samaritan-like admixture. Very interesting.

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[FONT=fira_sans]CL36:[/FONT]
[FONT=fira_sans]mtDNA: X2b[/FONT]

CL36 is close to modern Emilians. I made a wild nMonte run just to check what he could be composed of:

[1] "distance%=2.3663"

Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL36

Croatia_vLBA,58.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,21.6
Samaritan,11
Anatolia_MLBA,4.6
Mozabite,2.5
Beaker_Northern_Italy,1.7
Croatia_MBA,0
Hungary_BA:I1504,0
Beaker_Central_Europe,0
Peloponnese_N_o:I3920,0
Mycenaean,0
Anatolia_BA,0
Anatolia_EBA,0
Anatolia_IA,0
Druze,0
Levant_BA,0
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe,0
England_Roman_o:3DT26,0

Seems to be predominantly a mix of Iron Age east-central Italians (if they happened to be similar to LBA Dalmatia) and some substantial Celtic admixture. But some later exotic accretions are not lacking, especially Samaritan-like admixture. Very interesting.

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From the PCA it looked like the Romagna to me. I just wondered why the paper didn't include it.

No offense intended, my friend, but I'm not much for nmonte runs with people from such vastly different time periods.
 
From the PCA it looked like the Romagna to me. I just wondered why the paper didn't include it.

No offense intended, my friend, but I'm not much for nmonte runs with people from such vastly different time periods.

I should have put everything in quotes. I forgot to do that. All the material I posted was extracted from the BLOG Eurogenes. It's not my job. I also take this opportunity to repair the error of not mentioning the source :)
 
It's bed-time here, so too late for me to do it now, but it could be fun to gedmatch it (kit: LN6607043) with Eurogenes K15 and then put it on this map :

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I'll give it a try... tomorrow.

SZ45 "Pannonia"

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Edit : Here it is.

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[FONT=fira_sans]CL36:[/FONT]
[FONT=fira_sans]mtDNA: X2b[/FONT]

CL36 is close to modern Emilians. I made a wild nMonte run just to check what he could be composed of:

[1] "distance%=2.3663"

Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL36

Croatia_vLBA,58.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,21.6
Samaritan,11
Anatolia_MLBA,4.6
Mozabite,2.5
Beaker_Northern_Italy,1.7
Croatia_MBA,0
Hungary_BA:I1504,0
Beaker_Central_Europe,0
Peloponnese_N_o:I3920,0
Mycenaean,0
Anatolia_BA,0
Anatolia_EBA,0
Anatolia_IA,0
Druze,0
Levant_BA,0
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe,0
England_Roman_o:3DT26,0

Seems to be predominantly a mix of Iron Age east-central Italians (if they happened to be similar to LBA Dalmatia) and some substantial Celtic admixture. But some later exotic accretions are not lacking, especially Samaritan-like admixture. Very interesting.

LD9fiJ5.png






further PCA with extras






and your map with BB Italian North added ...................which makes me think is it really close to Emilians?

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PCA with all the samples from Lombard period cemetery at Collegno (6th-7th century A.D.), Italy

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PCA with all the samples from Lombard period cemetery at Szólád (6th century A.D.), Hungary

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PCA with Collegno and Szólád samples


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Some Tuscan like relatives of mine were clearly stranded in Pannonia, and an Emilian relative was buried at Collegno. :)
 
How do populations relate to each other in MyTrueAncestry.com

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Geno Invicta :grin:



Starring: Caesar, Mark Antony, Cleopatra, Vercingetorix, ...

Very Cool. :grin:(y):) Veni, vidi, vici:giggle:
 
New utility in MyTrueAncestry following my advice. Reaching the king the easy one for me, you just have to check my ancestral line.

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Thanks @Carlos. Nice :)

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Top III
1 Ancient Group - SZ36 C-Roman
2 Modern Group - SZ40 H-Roman
3 Similar Samples - CL121 H-Roman

others ... redundant or too far ...

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@ Carlos @ Duarte

Does either of you guys have any idea what the heck can connect us westerners to that Illyrian sample that keeps popping up among our "ancestors" ? Gallo-Roman makes sense. Even the Szolad samples can be explained as mercenary expatriates. But Illyrian ? Was the Illyrian also a mercenary from the west ?

Same goes for the Thracian, by the way.
 
Sounds like "The Gladiator", everything is Jewish,in the Dacian paper(Rodewald),they used Middle Bronze Age samples to prove closeness to North Italy.
 

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