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    Iberian/italian/Romania ? Not English


    Hello everyone ! Ihave a hard time understanding how the GEDmatch estimates work. I did this testbecause I do not know my family background,

    I was told that Imay have English origins, but that's it.

    But I do not findit anywhere in my results.



    I do not understandhow to interpret them, percentages, distances, etc. Can you help me ?

    I was hoping tolearn more about my origins, and about a family that I do not really know, andI'm a little lost. Thank you so much !!
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    PS : if it is usefulfor you, I live in France, I'm dark haired, light skin and I have green eyes(sorry, I specify, in case..)


    K13 Results :

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 34.61
    2 West_Med 26.4
    3 East_Med 16
    4 Baltic 15.58
    5 Red_Sea 3.9
    6 West_Asian 2.01
    7 Amerindian 1.5

    Single populationSharing :
    # Population(source) Distance
    1 Portuguese 6.02
    2 Spanish_Galicia 6.4
    3 Spanish_Extremadura 6.92
    4 North_Italian 6.97
    5 Spanish_Valencia 7.59
    6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.7
    7 Spanish_Cataluna 7.8
    8 Spanish_Murcia 7.86
    9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.85
    10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.99
    11 Spanish_Cantabria 9.42
    12 Southwest_French 10.28
    13 French 11.11
    14 Spanish_Aragon 11.49
    15 Tuscan 12.78
    16 West_German 16.46
    17 South_Dutch 16.65
    18 Romanian 16.83
    19 Serbian 16.95
    20 Bulgarian 18.15


    Mixed Modepopulation sharing :

    # Primary Population(source) Secondary Population(source) Distance
    1 72.6% Southwest_French + 27.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.59
    2 65.5% Southwest_French + 34.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.6
    3 68.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.99
    4 73.4% Spanish_Valencia + 26.6% Bulgarian @ 4.04
    5 62.2% Spanish_Aragon + 37.8% Bulgarian @ 4.07
    6 78.2% Spanish_Galicia + 21.8% Bulgarian @ 4.09
    7 71.9% Spanish_Valencia + 28.1% Romanian @ 4.12
    8 78.8% Spanish_Galicia + 21.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.14
    9 67.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 32.3% Bulgarian @ 4.19
    10 80.4% Portuguese + 19.6% Bulgarian @ 4.22
    11 72.3% Spanish_Valencia + 27.7% Serbian @ 4.26
    12 73.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 26.6% Bulgarian @ 4.29
    13 69.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 30.9% Bulgarian @ 4.31
    14 60.5% Spanish_Aragon + 39.5% Romanian @ 4.35
    15 75.3% Spanish_Extremadura + 24.7% Serbian @ 4.35
    16 53.7% Spanish_Galicia + 46.3% North_Italian @ 4.35
    17 77.6% Spanish_Galicia + 22.4% Romanian @ 4.36
    18 79.7% Portuguese + 20.3% Romanian @ 4.37
    19 63.3% North_Italian + 36.7% Southwest_French @ 4.43
    20 76.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 23.2% Bulgarian @ 4.43
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    Could you also post Eurogenes K15 and K36?

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    Yes of course !


    K15 results :
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Spanish_Valencia 5.9
    2 Spanish_Andalucia 6.24
    3 Spanish_Murcia 6.82
    4 Spanish_Extremadura 6.89
    5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 7.14
    6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.36
    7 Spanish_Cataluna 7.46
    8 Southwest_French 7.93
    9 Portuguese 8.17
    10 Spanish_Aragon 8.18
    11 Spanish_Cantabria 8.45
    12 North_Italian 8.55
    13 Spanish_Galicia 9.69
    14 Tuscan 13.65
    15 French 13.7
    16 Serbian 16.58
    17 South_Dutch 17.18
    18 French_Basque 17.32
    19 Austrian 17.38
    20 Romanian 17.64



    Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance


    1 87.9% Southwest_French + 12.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.07

    2 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Palestinian @ 3.27

    3 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Bedouin @ 3.51

    4 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Jordanian @ 3.52

    5 87.8% Southwest_French + 12.2% Saudi @ 3.55

    6 86.3% Southwest_French + 13.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.55

    7 85.7% Southwest_French + 14.3% Samaritan @ 3.63

    8 86.3% Southwest_French + 13.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.7

    9 77.1% Southwest_French + 22.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.72

    10 79.8% Southwest_French + 20.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.76

    11 82% Southwest_French + 18% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.77

    12 72.5% Southwest_French + 27.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.79

    13 85.2% Southwest_French + 14.8% Syrian @ 3.87

    14 80% Southwest_French + 20% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.89

    15 85.9% Southwest_French + 14.1% Egyptian @ 3.94

    16 85.2% Southwest_French + 14.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.94

    17 86.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.99

    18 88.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 11.8% Erzya @ 4

    19 79.7% Southwest_French + 20.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4

    20 84.2% Southwest_French + 15.8% Cyprian @ 4.01

    K36 results :

    Population
    Amerindian 0.26 Pct
    Arabian 0.25 Pct
    Armenian -
    Basque 7.08 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 2.77 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.47 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 5.72 Pct
    East_Med 6.99 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 6.53 Pct
    Fennoscandian -
    French 6.46 Pct
    Iberian 24.74 Pct
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 15.31 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 3.82 Pct
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 1.45 Pct
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 7.98 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 9.16 Pct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Héloïse View Post
    Yes of course !


    K15 results :
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Spanish_Valencia 5.9
    2 Spanish_Andalucia 6.24
    3 Spanish_Murcia 6.82
    4 Spanish_Extremadura 6.89
    5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 7.14
    6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.36
    7 Spanish_Cataluna 7.46
    8 Southwest_French 7.93
    9 Portuguese 8.17
    10 Spanish_Aragon 8.18
    11 Spanish_Cantabria 8.45
    12 North_Italian 8.55
    13 Spanish_Galicia 9.69
    14 Tuscan 13.65
    15 French 13.7
    16 Serbian 16.58
    17 South_Dutch 17.18
    18 French_Basque 17.32
    19 Austrian 17.38
    20 Romanian 17.64



    Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance


    1 87.9% Southwest_French + 12.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.07

    2 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Palestinian @ 3.27

    3 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Bedouin @ 3.51

    4 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Jordanian @ 3.52

    5 87.8% Southwest_French + 12.2% Saudi @ 3.55

    6 86.3% Southwest_French + 13.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.55

    7 85.7% Southwest_French + 14.3% Samaritan @ 3.63

    8 86.3% Southwest_French + 13.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.7

    9 77.1% Southwest_French + 22.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.72

    10 79.8% Southwest_French + 20.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.76

    11 82% Southwest_French + 18% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.77

    12 72.5% Southwest_French + 27.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.79

    13 85.2% Southwest_French + 14.8% Syrian @ 3.87

    14 80% Southwest_French + 20% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.89

    15 85.9% Southwest_French + 14.1% Egyptian @ 3.94

    16 85.2% Southwest_French + 14.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.94

    17 86.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.99

    18 88.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 11.8% Erzya @ 4

    19 79.7% Southwest_French + 20.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4

    20 84.2% Southwest_French + 15.8% Cyprian @ 4.01

    K36 results :

    Population
    Amerindian 0.26 Pct
    Arabian 0.25 Pct
    Armenian -
    Basque 7.08 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 2.77 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.47 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 5.72 Pct
    East_Med 6.99 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 6.53 Pct
    Fennoscandian -
    French 6.46 Pct
    Iberian 24.74 Pct
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 15.31 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 3.82 Pct
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 1.45 Pct
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 7.98 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 9.16 Pct
    You definitely don't have any English origin. Who told you that? You are genetically between South France, Iberia and North Italy. At K36 similarity map your closest region is north-eastern Spain but you have high East Med component that pulls you towards Italy. Your East-Med is atypical for Iberians and South-western French. Maybe it exists in south-eastern French . You also don't seem to have any Asian or North African admixture. Your components don't indicate that. In general you seem a southern shifted French or an eastern shifted Iberian.

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    Thank you for your answer ! I do not have too many details about my background because I do not know my parents well, but one day I was told that I had an English grandmother, blonde with blue eyes. I was told that my father looked like him. Which does not seem to be the case in view of my origins. I also see origins "Balkans" (Serbia, Romania ..) that are on the analyzes, it would mean that I have an ancestor away from this area? Or it is not significant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Héloïse View Post
    Thank you for your answer ! I do not have too many details about my background because I do not know my parents well, but one day I was told that I had an English grandmother, blonde with blue eyes. I was told that my father looked like him. Which does not seem to be the case in view of my origins. I also see origins "Balkans" (Serbia, Romania ..) that are on the analyzes, it would mean that I have an ancestor away from this area? Or it is not significant?
    Your results indicate that you may have somewhat mixed ancestry. The reason why you see Balkans on the oracle is because you have high east med component. This does not mean that you have Balkan ancestry. Your high east med could be due to an Italian admixture or even Iberian because they have higher east med component. But you have high Baltic component for Iberians and Italians but typical for French. So the combination of your Baltic and East Med gives you some proximity to Balkans.
    If you were mostly Iberian it would fit to have some Balkan ancestry. It is true that you could be Iberian with a Balkan (great)-grandfather. But if we suppose that you French ancestry (at least partially) then your results don't indicate Balkan ancestry. You could also be 3/4 French and 1/4 Italian or 1/2 French 1/4 Italian and 1/4 Iberian or another combination. In general it is difficult to find your exact mix. Your closest areas genetically are Balearic islands, Catalonia, southern France and north-western Italy. This does not mean that you definitely have ancestry from these areas. You could have a mix that brings you near these areas.
    On the other hand we cannot exclude that you may not be mixed but you just have atypical results. If you want post your kit number or send me with pm.

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    Thank you for you answer ! Yes this is my kit number : SN1709548

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    Quote Originally Posted by Héloïse View Post
    Thank you for you answer ! Yes this is my kit number : SN1709548
    What I didn't think before is that it is possible that you have considerable Corsican ancestry. It could justify many of your components. Corsicans are genetically closer to Central Italians and have higher east med than other French and Iberians. I can't tell for sure but if you have mostly Corsican and some Southern French mixed ancestry, I wouldn't exclude the possibility that you may have some English ancestry as well. I am not sure about that but I can't exclude because such a combination could justify your combonents. Do you know if you have Corsican ancestry?

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    So I investigated on one side of my family and apparently it fits perfectly! I will have family that would come from the Balearic Islands and could also be from Italy, all this on the side of my father. But I am also told about an English great grandmother. In any case, it remains very close to Gedmatch's estimates and your interpretation. I'm impressed ..

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    You have interesting genetic results. It seems that you cluster with people from Balearic and some of the people of southern France and North/North-western Italy but you have somewhat big distances at your oracle that indicates that your ancestry can be a little mixed. It would be interesting to know your mother's part as well. I think she has a similar backround.

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    But I do not really understand, because you say that I certainly have mixed origins because I have great distances in my oracle. But you also say that the origins on my mother's side will surely be similar to those on my father's side. Where will this distance come from so? Sorry I am a biginner ^^

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    You have distance about 6 on many calculators from your closest population. This is not distant but not very close as well. This means that your mix can be either distant (english great-grandmother) and/or from populations who are genetically close between them (Italians and Balearic islanders). People who are heavilly mixed have distance 10 from their closest population.
    Your father is 1/4 English and the rest from Balearic and Italian(do you know which region?) so he must be genetically on Southern France or between Iberia, Southern France and Northern Italy (depends on the amount and the region of Italian ancestry). So he is not much different than you.
    This is why I guess your mother must have similar background. I don't mean the same definitely. But even if she is only from Balearic islands you have mixed results because you have an Italian and a distant English ancestry. However she could be French with Italian admixture. I could estimate better if I had you father's gedmatch results.

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    Thank you for these clarifications, I understand a lot better these questions of distance now.
    No, I do not have any more information on my Italian side. I do not know my father well, but I am often told that physically I look like him, unlike my mother.
    Maybe all that makes sense finally! if we are genetically close, we look alike, and our genes indicate that we come from the same regions.
    I would not have the DNA results of my father, but I soon come to have those of my twin sister (heterozygote), those of my mother, and my grandmother on the maternal side. Perhaps these can be useful to better situate our genetic origin. I can not wait to get the results

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    It would be nice to post your family's results here when you get them! They will definitely help to understand better your genetic background.

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    Hello ! I'm wondering again about something. Maybe in the end I did not understand everything.

    Out of curiosity I looked at different DNA results of perfect strangers to compare them to mine. And I noticed a difference on each of them. Of all the DNA results I have seen, at the "mixed mode population sharing" level there was only one kind of population in "primary population".
    I did not find one with different populations. Except mine, where I have almost only different populations.
    So I do not understand why everyone has the same type of population in "primary population", and not me. How can this be explained? I think I probably misunderstood a concept.
    Thank you very much if you can help me! I will try to put an image as an example to explain myself.


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    This is just different models which are used to describe your ancestry. They describe you in a different way. Look at mine
    Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 65.2% Greek + 34.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.4
    2 55.5% South_Italian + 44.5% Bulgarian @ 1.47
    3 80.2% South_Italian + 19.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.58
    4 80.5% South_Italian + 19.5% Southwest_Russian @ 1.61
    5 81.3% South_Italian + 18.7% Estonian_Polish @ 1.63
    6 80.2% South_Italian + 19.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.65
    7 64.7% Greek + 35.3% Central_Greek @ 1.68
    8 68.4% Central_Greek + 31.6% Bulgarian @ 1.7
    9 80.3% South_Italian + 19.7% Polish @ 1.74
    10 81.3% South_Italian + 18.7% Belorussian @ 1.74
    11 74.5% South_Italian + 25.5% Croatian @ 1.74
    12 79% South_Italian + 21% South_Polish @ 1.81
    13 87.7% Central_Greek + 12.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.82
    14 88.4% Central_Greek + 11.6% Estonian_Polish @ 1.83
    15 60.9% South_Italian + 39.1% Romanian @ 1.83
    16 71.3% Greek + 28.7% East_Sicilian @ 1.85
    17 88.4% Central_Greek + 11.6% Belorussian @ 1.87
    18 87.8% Central_Greek + 12.2% Polish @ 1.92
    19 83.4% Central_Greek + 16.6% Austrian @ 1.94
    20 83.8% Central_Greek + 16.2% Croatian @ 1.95

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    Okay, thank you!

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