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    I don't know what people don't get. A light haired light eyed Sicilian need not have RECENT northern Italian ancestry. It just pops up sometimes; it's just not as common as it is in more northern regions. I only know one actual blonde Sicilian, and I know hundreds, and she looks completely Italian.

    Giusy Buscemi, Sicilian, Miss Italia 2012. The hair is light brown now (and highlighted) although it might have been blonde when she was young. She still looks Southern Italian to me. Absolutely gorgeous woman.






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    more celtic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Another 100% Italian actor who never plays "Italian" roles: Peter Facinelli

    In Twilight:




    In real life:



    Not even with dark hair do people see it:


    Paolo Seganti;


    Two actors from La Meglio Gioventu, one of my favorite series:

    Alessio Boni. He has a bit of a Clint Eastwood look to me.


    Luigi LoCascio-Sicilian stage and screen actor and an intellectual. He's a much better actor than Boni, fwiw.

    speaking of bones, he gives us a good approach to a predominent element among 'steppic' men, do believe me! no LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Lots of diversity in France, as in Italy.
    I would say in the Netherlands too. Let's take for example the national sport here: speed skating. The men are pretty diverse....

    Ok you have the stereotype North European, like

    Koen Verweij



    or Rintje Ritsma



    But also

    Ids Postma


    or Kjeld Nuis





    or Sven Kramer


    I dunno.

    May be the phenotype is not that different (I'm bad in details, you or Moesan know better) but the complex differences between light (blond/blue eyes) till more brown....(brown eyes, hair) are there....(even in the Frisian/ North Dutch area were they mostly come from).

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    Ethnic group
    España
    Country: Spain




    Jesús Tristán


    Antonio López


    Adrián Domínguez


    Antonio Junquera


    Alejandro Nieto


    Adrián López Morilla


    Alberto Sánchez Bey


    Juan García Basto


    Alejandro Ortega Fernández


    Jesús Castro

    Men only from the province of Cádiz and there is already a great variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    I would say in the Netherlands too. Let's take for example the national sport here: speed skating. The men are pretty diverse....

    Ok you have the stereotype North European, like

    Koen Verweij



    or Rintje Ritsma



    But also

    Ids Postma


    or Kjeld Nuis





    or Sven Kramer


    I dunno.

    May be the phenotype is not that different (I'm bad in details, you or Moesan know better) but the complex differences between light (blond/blue eyes) till more brown....(brown eyes, hair) are there....(even in the Frisian/ North Dutch area were they mostly come from).
    For most of them, light or darker haired, they still look northwestern European to me, except perhaps the first one, who has a more "eastern" look to me, Swedish, or maybe even further east.

    The real exception is Kjeld Nuis. Is he 100% Dutch? He definitely looks Southern European to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    For most of them, light or darker haired, they still look northwestern European to me, except perhaps the first one, who has a more "eastern" look to me, Swedish, or maybe even further east.

    The real exception is Kjeld Nuis. Is he 100% Dutch? He definitely looks Southern European to me.

    As fare as I know from the Rotterdam area. No explicit Southern European heritage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    For most of them, light or darker haired, they still look northwestern European to me, except perhaps the first one, who has a more "eastern" look to me, Swedish, or maybe even further east.

    The real exception is Kjeld Nuis. Is he 100% Dutch? He definitely looks Southern European to me.
    His (meanwhile ex) woman is more explicit Southern European, her name: Jill Lauren de Robles.

    and looks:
    Schermafbeelding 2019-06-09 om 15.32.29.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    I think in his case it's a little bit more than just the coloring. He does have a slightly "southern" look. It happens. I would still think it's pretty rare in a place like the Netherlands, however. It may be just my impression, but it has always seemed to me that "northerners" are more homogeneous in looks.

    There's a slight exception in the British Isles, where, although most of them still look "British" to me, the people in the "Celtic Fringe" areas can fool people.

    Steven Mangan didn't fool me:


    Catherine Zeta Jones also fooled me:

    This is when she was very young:



    She's just an absolute stunner. It's said that her husband, Michael Douglas, just saw a picture of her and said I'm going to marry her. Not a very sound way of making a choice, imo, but not my business.


    Mats Hummels completely fooled me:


    In Italy, there are places in the North where 20-30% of the people are blonde. That's no longer a rarity. In some isolated villages in the mountains it can reach 60% or more. Light eyes are about 50% or more in the Veneto. Yet, that's very rare in the south. Do you see what I mean? We have great contrasts, not just an occasional throw back or chance combination of features and pigmentation.

    Still, some of our blonde Italians look completely Italian.

    Ignazio Abate of Campania (Napoli)


    Others don't: Massimo Ambrosini from the Marche



    It's no big "WHOOPS" if you know what I mean, doesn't matter in any important way, just interesting the twists and turns that phenotypes can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I think in his case it's a little bit more than just the coloring. He does have a slightly "southern" look. It happens. I would still think it's pretty rare in a place like the Netherlands, however. It may be just my impression, but it has always seemed to me that "northerners" are more homogeneous in looks.
    It's no big "WHOOPS" if you know what I mean, doesn't matter in any important way, just interesting the twists and turns that phenotypes can take.
    Indeed those twits and turns are interesting!

    In this respect are the Netherlands no one unity, may be it's no coincidence that Nuis is the most 'southern' of the skaters.... Because below and above the Rhine have different frequencies of SNP's that effects the phenotype. Herc2 for example:



    North and South Dutch are quite differentiated. (By the way I'm with dark blond, red undertone, and chestnut eyes the twist ;)

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    Peter Facinelli looks Northern Italian/Southern French with a bit of Celtic mix. The Celts roamed Europe for a long time and even stayed in Greece/Southern Balkans for about 70 years in the 3rd cent. BC. I am sure they left their genetic imprint in a lot of places. @Angela you can even blame them for the awful Italian bagpipes ;).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    His (meanwhile ex) woman is more explicit Southern European, her name: Jill Lauren de Robles.

    and looks:
    Schermafbeelding 2019-06-09 om 15.32.29.jpg
    Wow. She's really lovely. It's mostly, imo, her pigmentation that makes her look "southern", not so much her features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Wow. She's really lovely. It's mostly, imo, her pigmentation that makes her look "southern", not so much her features.
    I'm really not a fan of bagpipes from anywhere, and my father's area is one of the few left in Italy where they actually play it regularly.

    However, one of the people who used to post here was a bagpipe aficionado, and she told me this man, playing the Emilian piva, has an excellent reputation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-p...YbE_JE&index=4

    Equally bad, imo, is the pifero, which is played in my mother's area as well as my father's, along with accordions and violins, usually.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZoZ3reTQ4

    They're also still dancing the giga or jig, NOT from the Celts per se: it was a dance of the Middle Ages which just hung on in some places in the world. Mountain folk are REALLY conservative.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCEBTf3P_SE


    So much better when there's neither. :) One of my favorite songs from one of my favorite groups:



    Dastardly men! You have to be very careful.:)

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