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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Polman View Post
    Elucidating, we've five Europeans (2 Germans, Spaniard and 2 Mediterraneans). Let me guess, you are going to show us that the Near Easterners were Christian Armenians? No admixtures?
    What are you talking about? Have you at least read the study? It seems not.

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    one of the sidon medieval remains SI-38 was E-L677 } i think it is E-V22
    cool :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by brick View Post
    What are you talking about? Have you at least read the study? It seems not.
    Excuse me for being imprecise in my (supportive) reaction. I read from your analysis that five samples from the pit could be considered as European, although some are put in an admixed group in the paper. I just wondered whether additional observations could be made regarding the samples from the pit which were classified as near eastern.
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    They seem very close to modern Lebanese, so it might not be very likely. Did anyone run them?

    41 is odd. Halfway between the Portuguese and Northern Italians? Did we really get a stray Corsican? Or maybe the other analysis is correct, and he was southeastern Iberian, maybe Baleares?

    I still don't see an actual explanation that works for why the WHG in modern Levantines is from the Ottomans.

    I'm not very impressed, I must say.

    In one way, some of the reactions are pretty funny. Of course number 53 is southern Italian; after all, he's half Levantine! Except, he was probably Greek. :)


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    I'm kind of late to the discussion. Did the researchers provide informtation on the SNPs, so that the terminal SNPs could be discovered on any of these individuals? In particular, I was wondering if anyone knew how to figure out the terminal SNP of the DF27 individual, thought to be from Iberia.

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    Hello, I became interested in SI-41 since he was listed as 97% sample match with a genetic distance of 15.396 and is listed as DF-27. I am DF-27 (which could be the only thing connecting us) but come from Scottish ancestry, so I'm not so sure why he is listed as Iberian. I Gedmatch in Eurogenes 13 as Northern Italian with a single population sharing. Mixed mode is Italian Abruzzo (my mother) and Orcadian ('Scottish' my father). Just saying that DF27 is not strictly Iberian by the thirteenth century. You are all light years ahead of me with this, but just suggesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    one of the sidon medieval remains SI-38 was E-L677 } i think it is E-V22
    cool :)
    Do you have more data? It is a crusader, does not appear on the graph?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilchrist View Post
    Hello, I became interested in SI-41 since he was listed as 97% sample match with a genetic distance of 15.396 and is listed as DF-27. I am DF-27 (which could be the only thing connecting us) but come from Scottish ancestry, so I'm not so sure why he is listed as Iberian. I Gedmatch in Eurogenes 13 as Northern Italian with a single population sharing. Mixed mode is Italian Abruzzo (my mother) and Orcadian ('Scottish' my father). Just saying that DF27 is not strictly Iberian by the thirteenth century. You are all light years ahead of me with this, but just suggesting.
    Hello, I have correspondence with this crusader.

    35. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.61
    - SI-40
    Top 98%

    mtDNA: U5a1g
    Y-DNA: R-P311

    Modern Group
    1. Southwest_French (9.072)

    2. Spanish_Aragon (10.55)
    3. Spanish_Valencia (11.45)
    4. Spanish_Cantabria (11.72)
    5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (12.31)
    6. Spanish_Andalucia (12.80)
    7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.92)
    8. French_Basque (13.15)

    Similar Samples
    Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury (2300 BC) (9.112)
    Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) (10.9)
    Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia (80 AD) (10.92)
    Vascones Tribe Vasconia (280 BC) (11.31)
    Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (200 BC) (11.86)

    This would be the Iberian crusader as you say. You can see yours Si40 located to the right, look at the graph.

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    A Transient Pulse of Genetic Admixture from the Crusaders

    Anyone know of any recent books on the economy of the Medieval Era, Middle Ages, whatever you want to call it. Ive read everything by Miskimin and Spufford, but I was wondering if there was anything more recent, as in not from the 60s.

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    do we have anything more on this crusader

    Sidon Crusader ( 700 yBP - Medieval )


    SI-42
    Y-DNA: T1a-M70 (xCTS10577, CTS8051, FGC1272, FGC1249, CTS11626, CTS7001, CTS382, FGC1180, PF5521, CTS5499, CTS1599, FGC1517, CTS4435, FGC1200, PF5663, CTS11431, FGC1286, FGC1292, FGC1264, CTS9703, FGC1290, CTS4831, PF7460, CTS10618, PF5571, CTS12114, CTS9717, FGC1291)
    mtDNA: J1b1a1

    All I have is that he was a Lars/Persian person.............but that could be an error
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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