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Thread: Proto-Indo-european languague : R1a or R1b ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    That explanation doesn't work, since proponents of the hypothesis think the substrate is exclusive to Germanic.
    But to be fair, it's probably not.

    It's well known that Indo-Europeans languages are full of Epithets, sometimes used as proper Noun, other times as Nickname. The thing is, there is " IE words " in non-Steppe territory probably even before Steppe was a thing. Pretty sure all words considered as a substrate might have an equivalent in Balto-Slavic or Italo-Celtic one. And if not, well obviously the original Balto-Slavic land was never Driven by Admixture so the substrate could come from all West of the Vistula CWC territory and only affected the Germanic part of Germano-Balto-Slavic continuum.

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    I think that R1 speak Western ANE languages. Eastern-Hunter-Gatherer languages descent from Western ANE languages and This language(EHG languages) split several branch. R1a languages descent from northern EHG languages and R1b languages descent from Southern EHG languages. Proto-Indo-European descent from Southern EHG languages and cousin, sister languages or para language of Proto-Indo-European descent from northern EHG languages. Proto-Indo-European language descent from R1b languages, Para-Proto-Indo-European languages descent from R1a languages.

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    Hello everybody! I am very interested in linguistic and genetics (at very amateur level!). Related to the tree shown in your post, Jovialis, I note that the Central Europe R1b haplogroup is R1b1a1a2a1. However, its Proto-Italo-Celto-Germanic branch is labeled R1b1a2a1a. Is there a typo and the label should be R1b1a1a2a1a? Thank you in advance.

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    To me it seems curious too. Look at Eupedia R1B and Wikipedia. Two different systems? It changed more than a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    To me it seems curious too. Look at Eupedia R1B and Wikipedia. Two different systems? It changed more than a time.
    It seems curious and confusing either. Yes, there are different systems and for that reason I concentrated in the Eupedia nomenclature, but even in that case I found a typo, if I am not wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    To me it seems curious too. Look at Eupedia R1B and Wikipedia. Two different systems? It changed more than a time.
    I have found the system ISOGG2019. There is a page for the 2019-2020 Haplogroup R Tree in the web isogg dot org slash tree. It is very complete and seems updated. It is different to the Eupedia R1B. For example, R1b-P310 is R1b1a2a1a in Eupedia and R1b1a1b1a1a2 in ISOGG2019.

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