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Thread: Proto-Indo-european languague : R1a or R1b ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    That explanation doesn't work, since proponents of the hypothesis think the substrate is exclusive to Germanic.
    But to be fair, it's probably not.

    It's well known that Indo-Europeans languages are full of Epithets, sometimes used as proper Noun, other times as Nickname. The thing is, there is " IE words " in non-Steppe territory probably even before Steppe was a thing. Pretty sure all words considered as a substrate might have an equivalent in Balto-Slavic or Italo-Celtic one. And if not, well obviously the original Balto-Slavic land was never Driven by Admixture so the substrate could come from all West of the Vistula CWC territory and only affected the Germanic part of Germano-Balto-Slavic continuum.

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    I think that R1 speak Western ANE languages. Eastern-Hunter-Gatherer languages descent from Western ANE languages and This language(EHG languages) split several branch. R1a languages descent from northern EHG languages and R1b languages descent from Southern EHG languages. Proto-Indo-European descent from Southern EHG languages and cousin, sister languages or para language of Proto-Indo-European descent from northern EHG languages. Proto-Indo-European language descent from R1b languages, Para-Proto-Indo-European languages descent from R1a languages.

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    Hello everybody! I am very interested in linguistic and genetics (at very amateur level!). Related to the tree shown in your post, Jovialis, I note that the Central Europe R1b haplogroup is R1b1a1a2a1. However, its Proto-Italo-Celto-Germanic branch is labeled R1b1a2a1a. Is there a typo and the label should be R1b1a1a2a1a? Thank you in advance.

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    To me it seems curious too. Look at Eupedia R1B and Wikipedia. Two different systems? It changed more than a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    To me it seems curious too. Look at Eupedia R1B and Wikipedia. Two different systems? It changed more than a time.
    It seems curious and confusing either. Yes, there are different systems and for that reason I concentrated in the Eupedia nomenclature, but even in that case I found a typo, if I am not wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    To me it seems curious too. Look at Eupedia R1B and Wikipedia. Two different systems? It changed more than a time.
    I have found the system ISOGG2019. There is a page for the 2019-2020 Haplogroup R Tree in the web isogg dot org slash tree. It is very complete and seems updated. It is different to the Eupedia R1B. For example, R1b-P310 is R1b1a2a1a in Eupedia and R1b1a1b1a1a2 in ISOGG2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfalp View Post
    When you say " i've heard " and " some people ". Are you sure you are not projecting what you internally wants to be the reality?

    IE languages with y-dna E and Horse domestication with Cart 'n' Wheel invention in Arabia... The only place those hypothesis could came from are realhistoryww and egyptsearch.
    I tried once upon a time to find who built the chariots, and the search took me to the land of the Hurrians which had Mitanni overlords. Hurrians were not IE people as far as I can tell. But Mitanni were. Are we really sure that the overlords built the chariots? Try as I might, I cannot picture a king of kings with a hammer and anvil. Stealing from the Hurrians seemed to have been commonplace, back in the day, from statecraft at Nuzi to philosophy at Ugarit. But how many people know this about the Hurrians today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin View Post
    I haven't found any article or research about the question to know how R1a and R1b in the Stepp Pontic had the same language, or a similar language.

    Can someone help me with that question ?
    The answer has to do with the head-shapes of these two people.
    R1b is in the Pelasgians and the Ligurians, both of whom are long-headed.
    R1a is round-headed as Central Asia seems to have always been.
    Language can be learned... and certainly was, as long ago as Mitanni overlords taking Hurrian names.
    The whole answer almost certainly has to rest upon this three-legged stool.
    ... I found an answer on quora who tried to pretend to himself that the Germans and Sarmatians were indigenous to Europe. Who's who may be the most important question of our entire existence, given the great lengths people will go to try to change history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Questions View Post
    The answer has to do with the head-shapes of these two people.
    R1b is in the Pelasgians and the Ligurians, both of whom are long-headed.
    R1a is round-headed as Central Asia seems to have always been.
    Language can be learned... and certainly was, as long ago as Mitanni overlords taking Hurrian names.
    The whole answer almost certainly has to rest upon this three-legged stool.
    ... I found an answer on quora who tried to pretend to himself that the Germans and Sarmatians were indigenous to Europe. Who's who may be the most important question of our entire existence, given the great lengths people will go to try to change history.
    Pelasgian DNA?
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