how to calculate your WHG, ANE and EEF precisely

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I tried the whg-ane-eef excel calculator, i think it calculates the ANE percentage well, but the WHG and EEF were very different from my country's average. After running through all the calculators on Gedmatch and on yourDNAportal i believe i found the ones which calculate these 3 components the best, on which i get results which are normal for my region.



the eurogenes_k7_ane on GEDMATCH calculates the ANE component the best
the puntdnal_k10_ancient on GEDMATCH calculates the WHG component the best
the K7 calculator on yourDNAportal, not on Gedmatch, calculates the near-eastern(=EEF) component the best


these are my results from each of these 3 calculators:


ane 13,36
whg 42,97
enf 42,24


they add up to 98,57%.


these are results of an American man with British ancestry. i asked him to test it.


ane 14.92
whg 43.22
enf 41.70


it ads up to 99,84. and it fits well in Britain.


so for the two of us the combination of these 3 calculators worked perfectly. this could be a coincidence though. i would like if more of you tested to see if it works for everybody. if this works, the results should add up to ~100% if you are european.
 
South Slavs have inflated Near Eastern ancestry, so for you this doesn't work as well (the more distant you are from Western Europe). The results will be erratic.
 
Population
ANE9.59 Pct
ASE-
WHG-UHG54.47 Pct
East_Eurasian1.88 Pct
West_African0.52 Pct
East_African2.73 Pct
ENF30.81 Pct

I 94'87 practically the same result that Family Finder has given me.
 
markod said:
South Slavs have inflated Near Eastern ancestry, so for you this doesn't work as well (the more distant you are from Western Europe). The results will be erratic.
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are you saying that i have less than 42,24% near eastern ancestry, and the k7 calculator inflates it?
 
Carlos said:
Population
ANE9.59 Pct
ASE-
WHG-UHG54.47 Pct
East_Eurasian1.88 Pct
West_African0.52 Pct
East_African2.73 Pct
ENF30.81 Pct

I 94'87 practically the same result that Family Finder has given me.
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that's eurogenes_K7_ane? i read it's good for ANE, but it gives too much WHG-UHG and too little ENF to everybody.
did you try the other 2 calculators i posted?
 
My results

Eurogenes_K_7 ane

ANE 10.30
WHG-UHG 44.48
ENF 43.43

PuntDNAL K10_ancient

CHG 25.50
WHG-UHG 31.96
ENF 40.36

YourDNAportal K7

Siberian 1.02
Euro Hunter-Gatherer 42.95
Near Eastern 56.02
 
Stuvanè said:
My results

Eurogenes_K_7 ane

ANE 10.30
WHG-UHG 44.48
ENF 43.43

PuntDNAL K10_ancient

CHG 25.50
WHG-UHG 31.96
ENF 40.36

YourDNAportal K7

Siberian 1.02
Euro Hunter-Gatherer 42.95
Near Eastern 56.02
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nice!

so if we apply my "method" it's
ANE 10.30
WHG-UHG 31.96
Near eastern 56.02

the average results for north Italy are
ANE - 8
whg - 34
enf - 56

are you from north italy?

maybe this method gives a little bit too much ANE, but it seems very precise otherwise
 
voloh said:
nice!

so if we apply my "method" it's
ANE 10.30
WHG-UHG 31.96
Near eastern 56.02

the average results for north Italy are
ANE - 8
whg - 34
enf - 56

are you from north italy?

maybe this method gives a little bit too much ANE, but it seems very precise otherwise
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Yes I am, Voloh: my family is from Eastern Emilia (Ferrara province) and Romagna (Rimini and Forlì provinces) :)
 
k7
Población
ANE9.59 PCT
Plaza bursátil norteamericana-
WHG-UHG54.47 PCT
East_Eurasian1.88 PCT
Oeste_africano0,52 PCT
Este_africano2,73 PCT
ENF30.81 PCT

Resultados de adjetivo de Oracle antiguo puntDNAL K10

(ordenados):

#PoblaciónPor ciento
1ENF39.49
2WHG36.49
3CHG18.85
4siberiano2,66
5Subsahariano2.50


Your genetic ancestry calculator results


K7

Compare yourself with 7 populations.​
Population		Percentage
Sub-Saharan2.44%
Oceanian0.00%
Amerindian0.00%
Euro Hunter-Gatherer49.56%
Siberian0.97%
Southeast Asian0.00%
Near Eastern47.03%
 
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markod said:
South Slavs have inflated Near Eastern ancestry, so for you this doesn't work as well (the more distant you are from Western Europe). The results will be erratic.
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voloh said:
are you saying that i have less than 42,24% near eastern ancestry, and the k7 calculator inflates it?
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Hi voloh,

Markod is saying that the "near eastern" that appears in "yourdnaportal K7" does not exactly correspond to the EEF - Early Europeans Farmers.
For example, the EEF of the Iberians is derived from the first farmers who arrived in Europe in the Neolithic period. The people of the south of the Balkans have an extra charge which came more recently from the near eastern.
In this sense, the Balkan EEF would be inflated by an extra charge coming from the Near East more recently, which would make the results erratic in this particular case because we would have in south BalKans an admixture of Early European Farmers with newcomers Middle Eastern peoples.

Big Hug:)
 
Here are mine.

Eurogenes_ANE K7

Mine - FTDNA
Population
ANE12.16 Pct
ASE0.49 Pct
WHG-UHG50.70 Pct
East_Eurasian0.19 Pct
West_African0.16 Pct
East_African-
ENF36.29 Pct


Mine - 23andMe v4

Population
ANE12.24 Pct
ASE0.51 Pct
WHG-UHG50.62 Pct
East_Eurasian0.09 Pct
West_African0.14 Pct
East_African-
ENF36.40 Pct


Father's - 23andMe v4 (Full North Italian in ancestry; 75% Northeastern Italian)

Population
ANE11.93 Pct
ASE2.08 Pct
WHG-UHG50.78 Pct
East_Eurasian-
West_African0.25 Pct
East_African-
ENF34.95 Pct

Mother's - 23andMe v4 (Full Northeastern Italian)
Population
ANE12.03 Pct
ASE-
WHG-UHG51.81 Pct
East_Eurasian1.13 Pct
West_African0.43 Pct
East_African-
ENF34.60 Pct

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puntDNAL K10 Ancient

Mine - FTDNA
#PopulationPercent
1ENF36.37
2WHG34.14
3CHG27.13
4Amerindian0.7
5E_Asian0.68
6ASI0.53
7Beringian0.45

Mine - 23andMe v4
#PopulationPercent
1ENF38.24
2WHG34.24
3CHG25.75
4E_Asian0.78
5Amerindian0.64
6ASI0.35


Father's - 23andMe v4
#PopulationPercent
1ENF36.92
2WHG36.5
3CHG23.24
4ASI2.17
5E_Asian0.58
6Siberian0.56
7Amerindian0.04


Mother's - 23andMe v4
#PopulationPercent
1WHG37.02
2ENF36.45
3CHG24.56
4Amerindian1.82
5E_Asian0.12
6Sub-Saharan0.03

 
Carlos said:
k7
Población
ANE9.59 PCT
Plaza bursátil norteamericana-
WHG-UHG54.47 PCT
East_Eurasian1.88 PCT
Oeste_africano0,52 PCT
Este_africano2,73 PCT
ENF30.81 PCT

Resultados de adjetivo de Oracle antiguo puntDNAL K10

(ordenados):

#PoblaciónPor ciento
1ENF39.49
2WHG36.49
3CHG18.85
4siberiano2,66
5Subsahariano2.50


Your genetic ancestry calculator results


K7

Compare yourself with 7 populations.​
Population		Percentage
Sub-Saharan2.44%
Oceanian0.00%
Amerindian0.00%
Euro Hunter-Gatherer49.56%
Siberian0.97%
Southeast Asian0.00%
Near Eastern47.03%
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https://yourdnaportal.com/

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Duarte said:
Hi voloh,

Markod is saying that the "near eastern" that appears in "yourdnaportal K7" does not exactly correspond to the EEF - Early Europeans Farmers.
For example, the EEF of the Iberians is derived from the first farmers who arrived in Europe in the Neolithic period. The people of the south of the Balkans have an extra charge which came more recently from the near eastern.
In this sense, the Balkan EEF would be inflated by an extra charge coming from the Near East more recently, which would make the results erratic in this particular case because we would have in south BalKans an admixture of Early European Farmers with newcomers Middle Eastern peoples.

Big Hug:)
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how recent do you mean? ottoman empire?
 
[h=1]Your nMonte3 oracle results[/h]
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts​
[h=2]EUtest V2 K15[/h]

Population		Value
Spanish_Cantabria71.6
French_Basque8.2
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha6.2
Gokhem24.4
French2.4
Orcadian1
Irish0.8
South_Dutch0.8
Southwest_English0.8
Spanish_Galicia0.8
North_Dutch0.6
Southeast_English0.4
Georgian0.2
Luhya0.2
Mongolian0.2
North_German0.2
Sandawe0.2
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon0.2
Uzbek0.2
West_German0.2
West_Norwegian0.2
West_Scottish0.2


 
voloh said:
nice!
so if we apply my "method" it's
ANE 10.30
WHG-UHG 31.96
Near eastern 56.02
the average results for north Italy are
ANE - 8
whg - 34
enf - 56
are you from north italy?
maybe this method gives a little bit too much ANE, but it seems very precise otherwise
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I have for north Italy ( where my line is from )
ANE 11.49
WHG-UHG 53.05
ENF 35.30

The closest ancient sample to myself is Alberstedt_LN_I0118
 
markod said:
South Slavs have inflated Near Eastern ancestry, so for you this doesn't work as well (the more distant you are from Western Europe). The results will be erratic.
Click to expand...

voloh said:
are you saying that i have less than 42,24% near eastern ancestry, and the k7 calculator inflates it?
Click to expand...

voloh said:
how recent do you mean? ottoman empire?
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The Caucasus peoples brought a great genetic contribution to the south of the Balkans, displacing the peoples of that region further east and the eastern Mediterranean. The Byzantine and Ottoman contributions are not negligible.

markod said:
1200px-WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png


https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105090#pone-0105090-g002

As you can see, Bosnian Croats are autosomally more southern (i. e. Balkanic) even than Muslim Bosnians. You can test this yourself with more accurate formal models if you want to explore this in more detail.
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Here is what I get:

ANE 17.41
WHG 46.81
ENF 36.22
 
Duarte, which calculator shows caucasian admixture the best? i get 10-30% on different calculators
 
voloh said:
Duarte, which calculator shows caucasian admixture the best? i get 10-30% on different calculators
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Hello voloh

There are many criticisms of the accuracy of Gedmatch calculators because they often fail to predict very well the outcome of more mixed populations, as is my case.

But the fact is that, at the moment, we have nothing better to list our possible ancestry.

For example, you are very right when you said the Eurogenes ANE - K7 calculator is the best to test the ANE ancestry. The developer of this calculator says that it was designed to calculate ANE ancestry exclusively and that the other results are only displayed as a fun to those who are using the calculator.
As you are legitimate Croatian European I would always indicate the basics: Eurogenes K13 and Eurogenes EUtestV2K15.

I always recommend that after displaying your autosomal results you look in the spreadsheet that comes with the calculator for see the standard results of your population and make the comparison yourself. It is also always interesting because you will can see in which populations certain ethnicity that appears in its autosomal results, appears in higher percentages.

We can not always ignore the fact that there is always a degree of speculation in results of these calculators.

In the case of Croatians, GEDmarch recommends the following calculators:

[h=1]GEDmatch.Com[/h][h=2]Admixture/Oracle Population Search Utility[/h]
Select Project Calculator Population
MDLP Project MDLP World Croatian_V
MDLP Project MDLP World Croatian
MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Croatian
MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Croatian_V
Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Croatian
Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 Croatian
puntDNAL puntDNAL K10 Ancient Croatian
puntDNAL puntDNAL K12 Modern Croatian
puntDNAL puntDNAL K13 Global Croatian
puntDNAL puntDNAL K15 Croatian
GedrosiaDNA Ancient Eurasia K6 Croatian
GedrosiaDNA Gedrosia K3 Croatian
Enter Kit Number:

Take a quiz with all of them and see which results come are more closest to your family history.

A big hug :)
 
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