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    how to calculate your WHG, ANE and EEF precisely

    I tried the whg-ane-eef excel calculator, i think it calculates the ANE percentage well, but the WHG and EEF were very different from my country's average. After running through all the calculators on Gedmatch and on yourDNAportal i believe i found the ones which calculate these 3 components the best, on which i get results which are normal for my region.



    the eurogenes_k7_ane on GEDMATCH calculates the ANE component the best
    the puntdnal_k10_ancient on GEDMATCH calculates the WHG component the best
    the K7 calculator on yourDNAportal, not on Gedmatch, calculates the near-eastern(=EEF) component the best


    these are my results from each of these 3 calculators:


    ane 13,36
    whg 42,97
    enf 42,24


    they add up to 98,57%.


    these are results of an American man with British ancestry. i asked him to test it.


    ane 14.92
    whg 43.22
    enf 41.70


    it ads up to 99,84. and it fits well in Britain.


    so for the two of us the combination of these 3 calculators worked perfectly. this could be a coincidence though. i would like if more of you tested to see if it works for everybody. if this works, the results should add up to ~100% if you are european.

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    South Slavs have inflated Near Eastern ancestry, so for you this doesn't work as well (the more distant you are from Western Europe). The results will be erratic.

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    Population
    ANE 9.59 Pct
    ASE -
    WHG-UHG 54.47 Pct
    East_Eurasian 1.88 Pct
    West_African 0.52 Pct
    East_African 2.73 Pct
    ENF 30.81 Pct

    I 94'87 practically the same result that Family Finder has given me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    South Slavs have inflated Near Eastern ancestry, so for you this doesn't work as well (the more distant you are from Western Europe). The results will be erratic.
    are you saying that i have less than 42,24% near eastern ancestry, and the k7 calculator inflates it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Population
    ANE 9.59 Pct
    ASE -
    WHG-UHG 54.47 Pct
    East_Eurasian 1.88 Pct
    West_African 0.52 Pct
    East_African 2.73 Pct
    ENF 30.81 Pct

    I 94'87 practically the same result that Family Finder has given me.
    that's eurogenes_K7_ane? i read it's good for ANE, but it gives too much WHG-UHG and too little ENF to everybody.
    did you try the other 2 calculators i posted?

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    My results

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    ANE 10.30
    WHG-UHG 44.48
    ENF 43.43

    PuntDNAL K10_ancient

    CHG 25.50
    WHG-UHG 31.96
    ENF 40.36

    YourDNAportal K7

    Siberian 1.02
    Euro Hunter-Gatherer 42.95
    Near Eastern 56.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    My results

    Eurogenes_K_7 ane

    ANE 10.30
    WHG-UHG 44.48
    ENF 43.43

    PuntDNAL K10_ancient

    CHG 25.50
    WHG-UHG 31.96
    ENF 40.36

    YourDNAportal K7

    Siberian 1.02
    Euro Hunter-Gatherer 42.95
    Near Eastern 56.02
    nice!

    so if we apply my "method" it's
    ANE 10.30
    WHG-UHG 31.96
    Near eastern 56.02

    the average results for north Italy are
    ANE - 8
    whg - 34
    enf - 56

    are you from north italy?

    maybe this method gives a little bit too much ANE, but it seems very precise otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by voloh View Post
    nice!

    so if we apply my "method" it's
    ANE 10.30
    WHG-UHG 31.96
    Near eastern 56.02

    the average results for north Italy are
    ANE - 8
    whg - 34
    enf - 56

    are you from north italy?

    maybe this method gives a little bit too much ANE, but it seems very precise otherwise
    Yes I am, Voloh: my family is from Eastern Emilia (Ferrara province) and Romagna (Rimini and Forlì provinces) :)

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    k7
    Población
    ANE 9.59 PCT
    Plaza bursátil norteamericana -
    WHG-UHG 54.47 PCT
    East_Eurasian 1.88 PCT
    Oeste_africano 0,52 PCT
    Este_africano 2,73 PCT
    ENF 30.81 PCT

    Resultados de adjetivo de Oracle antiguo puntDNAL K10


    (ordenados):

    # Población Por ciento
    1 ENF 39.49
    2 WHG 36.49
    3 CHG 18.85
    4 siberiano 2,66
    5 Subsahariano 2.50


    Your genetic ancestry calculator results


    K7

    Compare yourself with 7 populations.
    Population
    Percentage
    Sub-Saharan 2.44%
    Oceanian 0.00%
    Amerindian 0.00%
    Euro Hunter-Gatherer 49.56%
    Siberian 0.97%
    Southeast Asian 0.00%
    Near Eastern 47.03%
    Last edited by Carlos; 23-04-19 at 17:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    South Slavs have inflated Near Eastern ancestry, so for you this doesn't work as well (the more distant you are from Western Europe). The results will be erratic.
    Quote Originally Posted by voloh View Post
    are you saying that i have less than 42,24% near eastern ancestry, and the k7 calculator inflates it?
    Hi voloh,

    Markod is saying that the "near eastern" that appears in "yourdnaportal K7" does not exactly correspond to the EEF - Early Europeans Farmers.
    For example, the EEF of the Iberians is derived from the first farmers who arrived in Europe in the Neolithic period. The people of the south of the Balkans have an extra charge which came more recently from the near eastern.
    In this sense, the Balkan EEF would be inflated by an extra charge coming from the Near East more recently, which would make the results erratic in this particular case because we would have in south BalKans an admixture of Early European Farmers with newcomers Middle Eastern peoples.

    Big Hug:)
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    Here are mine.

    Eurogenes_ANE K7

    Mine - FTDNA
    Population
    ANE 12.16 Pct
    ASE 0.49 Pct
    WHG-UHG 50.70 Pct
    East_Eurasian 0.19 Pct
    West_African 0.16 Pct
    East_African -
    ENF 36.29 Pct

    Mine - 23andMe v4

    Population
    ANE 12.24 Pct
    ASE 0.51 Pct
    WHG-UHG 50.62 Pct
    East_Eurasian 0.09 Pct
    West_African 0.14 Pct
    East_African -
    ENF 36.40 Pct

    Father's - 23andMe v4 (Full North Italian in ancestry; 75% Northeastern Italian)

    Population
    ANE 11.93 Pct
    ASE 2.08 Pct
    WHG-UHG 50.78 Pct
    East_Eurasian -
    West_African 0.25 Pct
    East_African -
    ENF 34.95 Pct
    Mother's - 23andMe v4 (Full Northeastern Italian)
    Population
    ANE 12.03 Pct
    ASE -
    WHG-UHG 51.81 Pct
    East_Eurasian 1.13 Pct
    West_African 0.43 Pct
    East_African -
    ENF 34.60 Pct
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



    puntDNAL K10 Ancient

    Mine - FTDNA

    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 36.37
    2 WHG 34.14
    3 CHG 27.13
    4 Amerindian 0.7
    5 E_Asian 0.68
    6 ASI 0.53
    7 Beringian 0.45

    Mine - 23andMe v4

    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 38.24
    2 WHG 34.24
    3 CHG 25.75
    4 E_Asian 0.78
    5 Amerindian 0.64
    6 ASI 0.35


    Father's - 23andMe v4
    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 36.92
    2 WHG 36.5
    3 CHG 23.24
    4 ASI 2.17
    5 E_Asian 0.58
    6 Siberian 0.56
    7 Amerindian 0.04


    Mother's - 23andMe v4
    # Population Percent
    1 WHG 37.02
    2 ENF 36.45
    3 CHG 24.56
    4 Amerindian 1.82
    5 E_Asian 0.12
    6 Sub-Saharan 0.03

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    k7
    Población
    ANE 9.59 PCT
    Plaza bursátil norteamericana -
    WHG-UHG 54.47 PCT
    East_Eurasian 1.88 PCT
    Oeste_africano 0,52 PCT
    Este_africano 2,73 PCT
    ENF 30.81 PCT

    Resultados de adjetivo de Oracle antiguo puntDNAL K10


    (ordenados):

    # Población Por ciento
    1 ENF 39.49
    2 WHG 36.49
    3 CHG 18.85
    4 siberiano 2,66
    5 Subsahariano 2.50


    Your genetic ancestry calculator results


    K7

    Compare yourself with 7 populations.
    Population
    Percentage
    Sub-Saharan 2.44%
    Oceanian 0.00%
    Amerindian 0.00%
    Euro Hunter-Gatherer 49.56%
    Siberian 0.97%
    Southeast Asian 0.00%
    Near Eastern 47.03%
    https://yourdnaportal.com/







    Last edited by Duarte; 23-04-19 at 19:04. Reason: Added New Spreadsheet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Hi voloh,

    Markod is saying that the "near eastern" that appears in "yourdnaportal K7" does not exactly correspond to the EEF - Early Europeans Farmers.
    For example, the EEF of the Iberians is derived from the first farmers who arrived in Europe in the Neolithic period. The people of the south of the Balkans have an extra charge which came more recently from the near eastern.
    In this sense, the Balkan EEF would be inflated by an extra charge coming from the Near East more recently, which would make the results erratic in this particular case because we would have in south BalKans an admixture of Early European Farmers with newcomers Middle Eastern peoples.

    Big Hug:)
    how recent do you mean? ottoman empire?

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    French_Basque 8.2
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.2
    Gokhem2 4.4
    French 2.4
    Orcadian 1
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    Sandawe 0.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by voloh View Post
    nice!
    so if we apply my "method" it's
    ANE 10.30
    WHG-UHG 31.96
    Near eastern 56.02
    the average results for north Italy are
    ANE - 8
    whg - 34
    enf - 56
    are you from north italy?
    maybe this method gives a little bit too much ANE, but it seems very precise otherwise
    I have for north Italy ( where my line is from )
    ANE 11.49
    WHG-UHG 53.05
    ENF 35.30

    The closest ancient sample to myself is Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    South Slavs have inflated Near Eastern ancestry, so for you this doesn't work as well (the more distant you are from Western Europe). The results will be erratic.
    Quote Originally Posted by voloh View Post
    are you saying that i have less than 42,24% near eastern ancestry, and the k7 calculator inflates it?
    Quote Originally Posted by voloh View Post
    how recent do you mean? ottoman empire?
    The Caucasus peoples brought a great genetic contribution to the south of the Balkans, displacing the peoples of that region further east and the eastern Mediterranean. The Byzantine and Ottoman contributions are not negligible.

    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post


    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e-0105090-g002

    As you can see, Bosnian Croats are autosomally more southern (i. e. Balkanic) even than Muslim Bosnians. You can test this yourself with more accurate formal models if you want to explore this in more detail.

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    Here is what I get:

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    WHG 46.81
    ENF 36.22

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    Duarte, which calculator shows caucasian admixture the best? i get 10-30% on different calculators

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    Quote Originally Posted by voloh View Post
    Duarte, which calculator shows caucasian admixture the best? i get 10-30% on different calculators
    Hello voloh

    There are many criticisms of the accuracy of Gedmatch calculators because they often fail to predict very well the outcome of more mixed populations, as is my case.

    But the fact is that, at the moment, we have nothing better to list our possible ancestry.

    For example, you are very right when you said the Eurogenes ANE - K7 calculator is the best to test the ANE ancestry. The developer of this calculator says that it was designed to calculate ANE ancestry exclusively and that the other results are only displayed as a fun to those who are using the calculator.
    As you are legitimate Croatian European I would always indicate the basics: Eurogenes K13 and Eurogenes EUtestV2K15.

    I always recommend that after displaying your autosomal results you look in the spreadsheet that comes with the calculator for see the standard results of your population and make the comparison yourself. It is also always interesting because you will can see in which populations certain ethnicity that appears in its autosomal results, appears in higher percentages.

    We can not always ignore the fact that there is always a degree of speculation in results of these calculators.

    In the case of Croatians, GEDmarch recommends the following calculators:

    GEDmatch.Com

    Admixture/Oracle Population Search Utility

    Select Project Calculator Population
    MDLP Project MDLP World Croatian_V
    MDLP Project MDLP World Croatian
    MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Croatian
    MDLP Project MDLP World-22 Croatian_V
    Eurogenes Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Croatian
    Eurogenes Eurogenes K13 Croatian
    puntDNAL puntDNAL K10 Ancient Croatian
    puntDNAL puntDNAL K12 Modern Croatian
    puntDNAL puntDNAL K13 Global Croatian
    puntDNAL puntDNAL K15 Croatian
    GedrosiaDNA Ancient Eurasia K6 Croatian
    GedrosiaDNA Gedrosia K3 Croatian
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    Take a quiz with all of them and see which results come are more closest to your family history.

    A big hug :)

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    thanks for the detailed answer, i'll try that :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by voloh View Post
    thanks for the detailed answer, i'll try that :)
    ^^ You’re welcome voloh :)

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    DNA Portal component NE (?) doesn't add up with the other components. Eurogenes K7 ENF is much more accurate.

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