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    There are also some weird cognates between South Slavic languages and Scandinavian, which cannot be attributed to Latin and are not found in other Slavic languages.
    For example:
    English: Chair
    Bulgarian,SerboCroatian: stol,stolica
    Swedish: stol
    Norwegian: stol
    Icelandic: stoll
    Gothic has also for chair stol.
    So, there are words in Gothic common to Scandinavian.

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    A strange word that is found in Romanian and is a direct cognate to Scandinavian and Gothic(see that were more Gothic tribes and most settled in Romania) is gard:
    Romanian: gard - meaning, in English, fence
    Old Saxon: gardo
    Gothic: gard
    Norwegian Bokmål: gard
    Norwegian: gjerde
    Icelandic: girðing

    Swedish have another word, Danish have another word.

    Surely you could find more words of early Gothic origins in the Romanian that was spoken around 1800 AD, after which Romanian got a lot more Romance borrowings.
    Romanian got Slavic borrowings, after the Slavic migration from 600-700 AD and is possible that some or more words that were taken from Gothic were lost, being replaced with Slavic words.
    This, in addition to the Romanization process through which Romanian passed due to the influence of Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantine Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    A strange word that is found in Romanian and is a direct cognate to Scandinavian and Gothic(see that were more Gothic tribes and most settled in Romania) is gard:
    Romanian: gard - meaning, in English, fence
    Old Saxon: gardo
    Gothic: gard
    Norwegian Bokmål: gard
    Norwegian: gjerde
    Icelandic: girðing
    These words also exist in albanian:

    Gardh = fence
    Stol = bench

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    It survives in English as "yard" (not the measurement). It also survived in English through Anglo-Norman in the form of "garden". Stool still survives in English though with a slightly different meaning, however the object generally called a "stool" is still a seat, but not a chair. Stool still retains the original "chair" meaning in certain dialects of English (notably in Scotland).

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    it seems to me a pan-germanic word by origin, whose meaning was firstly centered around "enclosed place", "enclose village", "fortified place", subsequent drifted meanings and derived words being "village", "town", "fortress", "garden" and so on, according to diminishing or magnifying evolutions (germ- ‘gard-’, ‘gaard-’, ‘gart-’, ‘yard’). Seemignly linked to Welsh 'garth' and Breton 'garzh', to Latin 'hort-', and more closely to Slavics 'grad', 'hrad', 'gorod' ("town") but also 'gradina' (bulg. "garden"); maybe the root here under :
    g̑herdh-, and gherdh- IE g̑hesto- to gird, enclose, encompass

    the balancing between significations alike "town", "village", "fortress" "fence" and "garden" are very common among IE languages ; see 'town', 'tuin', 'zaun' (English: "town", Dutch: "garden", German: "fence") .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    I think there is rather a resemblance between Ancient West Germanic languages and Gothic.
    Gothic, if you read a little ,is not having some typical sounds for North Germanic languages.
    Goths and a part of Visigoths actually settled on the land of Romania and this is said in multiple historic sources.
    Also, Romania was named more than 200 years Gothia, or the country of the Goths.
    So we can clearly conclude that Romanians should have a lot if not most paternal lines from the Goths.
    The reason for that is simple: Goths are supposed to have migrated south of Scandinavia before Proto-Norse (aka the earliest forms of North Germanic language) were formed, and Proto-Germanic had just started to diverge into distinct languages. Similarities between Ancient West Germanic and Gothic may simply indicate they shared later innovations or they simply missed later innovations that took place in North Germanic areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    A strange word that is found in Romanian and is a direct cognate to Scandinavian and Gothic(see that were more Gothic tribes and most settled in Romania) is gard:
    Romanian: gard - meaning, in English, fence
    Old Saxon: gardo
    Gothic: gard
    Norwegian Bokmål: gard
    Norwegian: gjerde
    Icelandic: girðing

    Swedish have another word, Danish have another word.

    Surely you could find more words of early Gothic origins in the Romanian that was spoken around 1800 AD, after which Romanian got a lot more Romance borrowings.
    Romanian got Slavic borrowings, after the Slavic migration from 600-700 AD and is possible that some or more words that were taken from Gothic were lost, being replaced with Slavic words.
    This, in addition to the Romanization process through which Romanian passed due to the influence of Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantine Empire.
    In Bulgarian

    Ograda /Ограда/- Fence
    Ograjdam/Ограждам/ - Fence in
    Gradina /Градина/ - The garden
    Grad /Град/ - Town
    Gradya/Gradej //Градя/Градеж//- I'm building
    Sgrada /Сграда/ - Building
    Ograzhden /Огра̀жден /- A mountain is enclosed in southwestern Bulgaria and northern Macedonia

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