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Did the native British Celts that remained in England during the Anglo Saxon migration become Anglo Saxon pagans?
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That's an excellent resource; thank you for linking it!Interesting question.
The fact is, not only did it survive, it proved triumphant. In two hundred years all the Germanic invaders had been converted.
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It must have been interesting when Christianity was the new religion of foreign monks and scattered converts. Today we experience Christianity as a dusty relic paraded around by a few traditionalists, but to a people steeped in pagan traditions it must have been very different. To the illiterate, clannish, warlike Anglo Saxons, I imagine that Christianity felt something like New Age spirituality pushed by educated, leftist academics.I have read about evidences of domestic, discrete worship of Christianity in the first generations of Anglo-Saxon rule in the Germanic-ruled parts of Britain, so it seems like at least some of the Christianized Celts maintained their faith, but they had lost their power and influence as a cultural force. Christianity remained the default religion and increasingly influential in the Britonnic-ruled parts of Britain, though. The Anglo-Saxons did not manage to crush the Celts all at once (and never did in parts of England and Scotland). That said, considering other historic instances of profound political change accompanied by a massive immigration of not just new people, but also a new culture, I think it is very likely that much of the remaining Celtic population, having lost its social status and cultural strength, and trying to adapt to the new lords and the new social environment, must have abandoned Christianity at least formally, though they may have kept some customs and beliefs. But with Christianity flourishing just beside them in much of Europe I'm sure they were not completely isolated and paganized. In fact, as Angela points out, in the end it was the Germanic people that became more and more influenced by Christianity, initially by Celtic Christianity, and started to convert. But I think that happened more as a secondary wave of Christendom into Britain than as an inner movement from within the Anglo-Saxon society and its Christian remnants.
That's an excellent resource; thank you for linking it!
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It must have been interesting when Christianity was the new religion of foreign monks and scattered converts. Today we experience Christianity as a dusty relic paraded around by a few traditionalists, but to a people steeped in pagan traditions it must have been very different. To the illiterate, clannish, warlike Anglo Saxons, I imagine that Christianity felt something like New Age spirituality pushed by educated, leftist academics.
It must have been interesting when Christianity was the new religion of foreign monks and scattered converts. Today we experience Christianity as a dusty relic paraded around by a few traditionalists, but to a people steeped in pagan traditions it must have been very different. To the illiterate, clannish, warlike Anglo Saxons, I imagine that Christianity felt something like New Age spirituality pushed by educated, leftist academics.
It must have been interesting when Christianity was the new religion of foreign monks and scattered converts. Today we experience Christianity as a dusty relic paraded around by a few traditionalists, but to a people steeped in pagan traditions it must have been very different. To the illiterate, clannish, warlike Anglo Saxons, I imagine that Christianity felt something like New Age spirituality pushed by educated, leftist academics.
Oh! Have you read Carroll Quigley?Very true. In practice, systems devolve into bureaucracies which are more concerned with their own survival than with their original mission. That doesn't mean the original idea was wrong. How sad that the early monks devolved into the creatures in Chaucer.
Have you read Stark & Bainbridge's Future of Religion?The issue is always meaning. Religions of the West today seem to have little more faith than a liberal idea of goodness. They lose out to religions or systems that demand something of their believers. I think people want to commit themselves to something that seems significant, even if it is harsh and especially if it is uncompromising. That applies to religion, politics, environment, etc.
That's OK. It still looks like you understand them both.I'm afraid the answer is no to both
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