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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    is it this person ?

    Christopher Rudolph Redlich


    or


    Christian Atherholt
    Born 1724 in Hanover , Germany

    0 step from myself

    .................

    one from Belluno

    Damiano Mozet ...............0 step from myself
    no, is Warren Redlich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    no, is Warren Redlich
    his family is in this site

    https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/REDLICH

    when I find out I will let you know
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4o
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    My theory is that if you have Z19945 , ..............it was basically in the modern hungarian area in the late bronze-age
    if you’re talking to me, you know that I’m positive for Z19945, unless you’re thinking of BMW.

    The Late Bronze Age speculation could apply to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    if you’re talking to me, you know that I’m positive for Z19945, unless you’re thinking of BMW.
    BMW

    I assume he will also be Z19945 if gareth looks at his data

    .................

    In italy we clearly have an adriatic side only that I can see

    yourself, myself ....2 x marche .........and I am currently chatting with someone from Rimini , surname Soller ( will let you know )

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    My theory is that if you have Z19945 , ..............it was basically in the modern hungarian area in the late bronze-age

    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    if you’re talking to me, you know that I’m positive for Z19945, unless you’re thinking of BMW.

    The Late Bronze Age speculation could apply to me.
    Maps from my MTA:

    Late Bronze Age


    Iron Age


    Early Medieval Age


    Medieval Age

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    Beautifull lol! After only 30-50 generations we have almost all the same history here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @BMW

    Torzio is from the North, maybe he has more info.

    As far as my relatives are concerned, they've always been there in the same Town, 2 and 1/2 miles from Lecce.

    My town was founded in the 1200s AD by Leccesi soldiers tactical retreating after the troops of Otto IV of Saxony attacked Lecce.

    I can go back up up to 5 - 6 generations, (cemetery private chapels).
    Salento,
    Thanks for your reply.
    Any theories as to where your family was pre-13th century?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Salento,
    Thanks for your reply.
    Any theories as to where your family was pre-13th century?
    I only know back about 6 generations, but since my autosomal results match by average other Apulians, I assume they were probably around Puglia or Center / South Italy in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    My theory is that if you have Z19945 , ..............it was basically in the modern hungarian area in the late bronze-age
    Torzio,
    Thanks for all your input.

    Although this is not the same period of time it may still be relevant to the origin of the surname HAIT:

    "The surname of HAYDT is a Hungarian occupational name for a drover. Drovers were armed and often became highwaymen and mercenaries. HAYDT acquired both meanings, but the surname is chiefly associated with the settlement of about 10,000 mercenaries in East Hungary by Prince Istvan Bocskay as a reward for their support. Their towns, dating from 1605, still retain HAYDT as a first element. The word was borrowed into German, Polish and Czech to denote an armed retainer of a nobleman."


    "The surname Heydt was first found in Bavaria where the name Heidt was anciently associated with the tribal conflicts of the area. They declared allegiances to many nobles and princes of early history, lending their influence in struggles for power and status within the region. They branched into many houses, and their contributions were sought by many leaders in their search for power."

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    Salento,

    What I wouldn't give to "only know back about 6 generations"...LOL

    What with Irish records, I'm lucky to know who my Dad's grandparents were.

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    @BMW where I am from people stayed very close to their community so people tended to marry in the same area.

    My 1750 AD Genetic Community (AncestryDNA):



    Today:




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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Salento,
    What I wouldn't give to "only know back about 6 generations"...LOL
    What with Irish records, I'm lucky to know who my Dad's grandparents were.
    You can try the site
    Geneanet
    Its a euro site and i got a lot of info there.....it is free

    Of course with any site you need to cross reference

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    @Torzio the reason they don’t include Salento is because of the Griko populations.

    (‘cause of my username, I feel the need to say it every time I post these kind of results :) lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio the reason they don’t include Salento is because of the Griko populations.

    (‘cause of my username, I feel the need to say it every time I post these kind of results :) lol
    I know your surname , .............I was talking to BMW....confused on your comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I know your surname , .............I was talking to BMW....confused on your comment
    Although my User-Name is Salento, AncestryDNA did not include the Salento area in the maps of my Genetic Community.

    That's why I felt compelled to explain the reason why.

    Because of the Griko population, there are small genetic differentiations between the Salentini.

    AncestryDNA realized that I'm not a Griko, and it put me with the other Pugliesi.



    (Salento is the Lecce / Brindisi in the grayed out area)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Although my User-Name is Salento, AncestryDNA did not include the Salento area in the maps of my Genetic Community.

    That's why I felt compelled to explain the reason why.

    Because of the Griko population, there are small genetic differentiations between the Salentini.

    AncestryDNA realized that I'm not a Griko, and it put me with the other Pugliesi.



    (Salento is the Lecce / Brindisi in the grayed out area)
    I know there are a lot of households all over Italy with your real surname, it would be difficult for you to track your line, but why it was used in that way, well ....................its like , as an example the surname , Tedesco ( which means German ), it was given out to people who had no surname at the time, and because they looked German, .............and not because they came from germany

    there is currently 13416 households in italy with your real surname .......so it would be difficult for you to track your line
    number 1 is apulia region with 3432

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    AncestryDNA doesn’t have much confidence in my Greece & Balkans allocation.

    Italy: Your ethnicity estimate is 79%, but it can range from 73—100%



    Greece & the Balkans
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    Your ethnicity estimate is 8%, but it can range from 0—8%


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    AncestryDNA doesn’t have much confidence in my Greece & Balkans allocation.

    Italy: Your ethnicity estimate is 79%, but it can range from 73—100%



    Greece & the Balkans
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    Your ethnicity estimate is 8%, but it can range from 0—8%


    thanks

    mine below.........average at best ..................I have no relatives west of Lomello in Lombardy ............




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomello

    that relative arrived there between the 2 great wars

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    BEL = from Walloon, initally from Gorizia near trieste italy
    USA ( NC ) = a hessian in origin , original surname was radich


    the yellow block i in sample ERS256892 has snp Z19945 as confirmed, this clearly makes everybody under this sample a possibility of also having Z19945
    Strange, what about Y17493, also under the “yellow block”.

    ..., but BMW, You and I are negative for Y17493.

    If everybody under the yellow block are at least Z19945, these branches are no longer linear and they make no sense.

    Unless there are others besides sample ERS256892 that are negative for Z19945

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    yellow block sample ERS256892 (CTS8489), but positive for Z19945 is shown as Italy, Cagliari, Sardegna (Sardinia)

    There’s also a new CTS8489.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    yellow block sample ERS256892 (CTS8489), but positive for Z19945 is shown as Italy, Cagliari, Sardegna (Sardinia).
    It seems that z19945 is a major snp and many branches should split off from there

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    It seems that z19945 is a major snp and many branches should split off from there
    ... then T-Z19945 is probably older than they thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... then T-Z19945 is probably older than they thought.
    then you should be where I placed me ...below


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    I have sent my Big Y-700 results to YFull.
    Very interested to see where they place my Z19943.

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