Positive for CTS8489 but Negative for CTS8862

Salento said:
Although my User-Name is Salento, AncestryDNA did not include the Salento area in the maps of my Genetic Community.

That's why I felt compelled to explain the reason why.

Because of the Griko population, there are small genetic differentiations between the Salentini.

AncestryDNA realized that I'm not a Griko, and it put me with the other Pugliesi.

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(Salento is the Lecce / Brindisi in the grayed out area)
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I know there are a lot of households all over Italy with your real surname, it would be difficult for you to track your line, but why it was used in that way, well ....................its like , as an example the surname , Tedesco ( which means German ), it was given out to people who had no surname at the time, and because they looked German, .............and not because they came from germany

there is currently 13416 households in italy with your real surname .......so it would be difficult for you to track your line
number 1 is apulia region with 3432
 
AncestryDNA doesn’t have much confidence in my Greece & Balkans allocation.

Italy: Your ethnicity estimate is 79%, but it can range from 73—100%

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Greece & the Balkans: Your ethnicity estimate is 8%, but it can range from 0—8%

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Salento said:
AncestryDNA doesn’t have much confidence in my Greece & Balkans allocation.

Italy: Your ethnicity estimate is 79%, but it can range from 73—100%

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Greece & the Balkans: Your ethnicity estimate is 8%, but it can range from 0—8%

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thanks

mine below.........average at best ..................I have no relatives west of Lomello in Lombardy ............




[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomello

that relative arrived there between the 2 great wars
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torzio said:
BEL = from Walloon, initally from Gorizia near trieste italy
USA ( NC ) = a hessian in origin , original surname was radich
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the yellow block i in sample ERS256892 has snp Z19945 as confirmed, this clearly makes everybody under this sample a possibility of also having Z19945
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Strange, what about Y17493, also under the “yellow block”.

..., but BMW, You and I are negative for Y17493.

If everybody under the yellow block are at least Z19945, these branches are no longer linear and they make no sense.

Unless there are others besides sample ERS256892 that are negative for Z19945
 
yellow block sample ERS256892 (CTS8489), but positive for Z19945 is shown as Italy, Cagliari, Sardegna (Sardinia)

There’s also a new CTS8489.

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Salento said:
yellow block sample ERS256892 (CTS8489), but positive for Z19945 is shown as Italy, Cagliari, Sardegna (Sardinia).
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It seems that z19945 is a major snp and many branches should split off from there
 
torzio said:
It seems that z19945 is a major snp and many branches should split off from there
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... then T-Z19945 is probably older than they thought.
 
I have sent my Big Y-700 results to YFull.
Very interested to see where they place my Z19943.
 
torzio said:
My theory is that if you have Z19945 , ..............it was basically in the modern hungarian area in the late bronze-age
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"the Gallo-Roman chronicler Gregory of Tours

states that the Franks originally lived in Pannonia, but later settled on the banks of the Rhine. Additional early sources likewise relate that the Franks migrated in prehistoric times from the mouth of the Danube on the Black Sea, to the Rhine, where they adopted their name (circa. 11 BC) in honour of a hereditary chieftain called Franko – replacing the earlier tribal name Sicambri (or Sugambri) – said to be an offshoot of the Cimmerians or Scythians. This legend of a Scythian or Cimmerian background is thus consistent with the origin legends of nearly all other European nations as well."




https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/f/Franks.htm
 
BMW said:
"the Gallo-Roman chronicler Gregory of Tours

states that the Franks originally lived in Pannonia, but later settled on the banks of the Rhine. Additional early sources likewise relate that the Franks migrated in prehistoric times from the mouth of the Danube on the Black Sea, to the Rhine, where they adopted their name (circa. 11 BC) in honour of a hereditary chieftain called Franko – replacing the earlier tribal name Sicambri (or Sugambri) – said to be an offshoot of the Cimmerians or Scythians. This legend of a Scythian or Cimmerian background is thus consistent with the origin legends of nearly all other European nations as well."




https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/f/Franks.htm
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Interesting....I have read something similar

it associated the Salians and Swabians for my area in NE Italy ..........places like Castelfranco ( frankish castle ) was Salian people and Merlengo was Swabian people named originally as marling

I will need to revisit these sites
 
"St. Gregory of Tours, who was the leading historian wrote that the Frankish leader Clovis on the occasion of his baptism into the Catholic faith in 496 was referred to as Sicambrian by the officiating Bishop of Rheims.
During a battle against the Alamans, he vowed to become a Christian if he was victorious. He won and was baptized by the Bishop of Rheims in 496.
At his baptism, Saint Remy said

“Sicambrian revere what thou hast burned and burn what thou hast revered.” "
 
"In the year 358 AD the servile Sarmatian tribe the Limigantes came in revolt against the leading tribe, the Argaragantes in an internal Sarmatian war and they expelled their masters. These warrior nobility received a warm welcome in the Roman Empire and got settlements for them and their families to the number of 30,000 in different provinces in the heartland of the Empire in Thracia, Macedonia and Northern Italy. Sarmatians and Alans had many small military colonies in the Po Valley. The last mentioned Alanian regiment in the Western Roman Empire was that at Ravenna in 487, nine years after the dethroning of the last Western Roman Emperor Julius Nepos in 480. They took part in the election of the Ostrogoth Odoacer to emperor and served in his army.
During the last raid in Hungaria by the Hun Babaï in 470 a group of Sarmatians crossed the Donau (Danube) and settled in Pannonia Secunda in Singidinum (Belgrade). Babaï was then slain by the East Roman emperor Leo I. In 568 Sarmatians still lived there and some followed the Longobards into Italy and settled in the Po Valley."

"The Germanic Cugerni or Sicambri, were also called Franks. They lived since the time of Caesar east of the Batavi. They were settled in the first century in the Roman province Germania inferior, later Germania secunda, in Colonia Ulpia Traiana near modern Xanten upstream of Nijmegen, east of Venlo."

"Childerik

, ± 440-480, the first known Frankish king, was in the same time by the Romans assigned to a large area in Tournai. His tomb was discovered in 1652 in the church of Saint Brice and therein were except Germanic also clear Sarmatian marks."


https://www.marres.education/sarmatic_traces.htm#se
 
BMW said:
I have sent my Big Y-700 results to YFull.
Very interested to see where they place my Z19943.
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my snp beginning with Z

Z13062+, Z19855+, Z19879+, Z19880+, Z19883+, Z19885+, Z19889+, Z19893+, Z19894+, Z19895+, Z19896+, Z19897+, Z19900+, Z19901+, Z19902+, Z19903+, Z19904+, Z19907+, Z19908+, Z19909+, Z19910+, Z19911+, Z19913+, Z19917+, Z19918+, Z19924+, Z19926+, Z19928+, Z19929+, Z19931+, Z19932+, Z19933+, Z19935+, Z19940+, Z19941+, Z19943+, Z19944+, Z19945+, Z19946+, Z19951+, Z19953+, Z2065+, Z7767+, ZS5664+


you should also have the main snp of Z19945 .....like me ..............I have Z19943
 
my snp's beginning with Z:

Z13062+, Z19855+, Z19857+, Z19879+, Z19880+, Z19883+, Z19885+, Z19889+, Z19890+, Z19893+, Z19894+, Z19895+, Z19896+, Z19897+, Z19900+, Z19901+, Z19902+, Z19903+, Z19904+, Z19907+, Z19908+, Z19909+, Z19910+, Z19911+, Z19912+, Z19913+, Z19917+, Z19918+, Z19924+, Z19926+, Z19928+, Z19929+, Z19931+, Z19932+, Z19933+, Z19935+, Z19940+, Z19941+, Z19942+, Z19943+, Z19946+, Z19951+, Z19953+, Z19963-, Z20015-, Z2065+, Z27269+, Z31288+, Z709-, Z7767+, ZS5664+
 
torzio said:
my snp beginning with Z

Z13062+, Z19855+, Z19879+, Z19880+, Z19883+, Z19885+, Z19889+, Z19893+, Z19894+, Z19895+, Z19896+, Z19897+, Z19900+, Z19901+, Z19902+, Z19903+, Z19904+, Z19907+, Z19908+, Z19909+, Z19910+, Z19911+, Z19913+, Z19917+, Z19918+, Z19924+, Z19926+, Z19928+, Z19929+, Z19931+, Z19932+, Z19933+, Z19935+, Z19940+, Z19941+, Z19943+, Z19944+, Z19945+, Z19946+, Z19951+, Z19953+, Z2065+, Z7767+, ZS5664+


you should also have the main snp of Z19945 .....like me ..............I have Z19943
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Our (+) differences seem to be:

BMW: Z19857, Z19890, Z19912, Z19942, Z27269, Z31288

torzio: Z19944, Z19945
 
....Z19944 and Z19945 show as "presumed positive" for me. (As does CTS8862 and CTS9984)

It would be nice if it were more definitive.....
 
BMW said:
....Z19944 and Z19945 show as "presumed positive" for me. (As does CTS8862 and CTS9984)

It would be nice if it were more definitive.....
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is a person named curtiss matching yourself

if so,

his family is from Hesse with original surname Fuser

 
torzio,

Gareth just moved me to Gamma-1.1-D T-Z19945 (including T-CTS1848) (confirmed/predicted).

I'm not sure where to look for the matches you posted (curtiss.... family from Hesse with original surname Fuser).
 
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