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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I do not get what you get
    even though I have done the 500 and 700 tests , it's still shows I need to test for cts1848....even though both 500 and 700 in individual snp tests for me says negative for cts1848.....there might be a glitch in the tree for me somewhere
    even yfull and sequence says I am negative for cts1848
    FTDNA total y T tree:
    .. I tested a few SNPs Z19945 included at Yseq, (you suggested that to me as an option :)



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    Salento,

    What catches my attention when I compare our two FTDNA haplotrees :

    * I am positive and you are "presumed positive" for CTS10803

    * We are both "presumed positive" for Z19939

    * I am "presumed negative" and you show "downstream" for Z19945

    * I show "downstream" for Z19936 when clicking on "CTS8489 more".....and you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    speak to mr Bernot via email....he is Walloon, he runs 3 accounts
    Thanks, torzio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Salento,

    What catches my attention when I compare our two FTDNA haplotrees :

    * I am positive and you are "presumed positive" for CTS10803

    * We are both "presumed positive" for Z19939

    * I am "presumed negative" and you show "downstream" for Z19945

    * I show "downstream" for Z19936 when clicking on "CTS8489 more".....and you?
    * (New Discoveries) Some of my SNPs are only Presumed Positive because they weren't part of the tree when I bought the various tests (recent discoveries added)

    * I tested for Z19945 (Positive) with YSEQ, (Different Company)

    I tested for CTS1848 with FTDNA and YSEQ (Both companies found me negative for it).

    * I’m presumed Positive for Z19936 and all the other SNPs part of CTS8489.


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    I've never quite known what to do with a "downstream".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    no, FTDNA url main site, and I go to the Y DNA Haplotree,
    I get there by clicking the “Haplotree & SNPs” tab located under the Y-DNA Section in the Main Page.

    (I did a few Y tests with FTDNA, so I Have access to it)

    this below is a part of our updated branch by FTDNA:



    I get what you have now, i still get a cts1848 as a need to be tested, yet same 500 and 700 snp tests show me as negarive for cts1848...i need to get gareth to get this fixed
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4o
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    I've never quite known what to do with a "downstream".

    Before I could click on it and buy those I wanted, but not anymore,
    now they want a new sample of saliva, and to buy one of the expensive tests (again).

    That's why I tested last downstream with Yseq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Thanks, torzio.
    Iirc...his stated, his family where cannon makers for the spanish netherlands armies and his family was originally from gorizia italy

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    Neither FTDNA nor Yseq provide Z19936 to be tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Iirc...his stated, his family where cannon makers for the spanish netherlands armies and his family was originally from gorizia italy
    Thanks for the info, torzio.

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    http://www.exulanten.com/franks.html

    By legend, the Franks claimed that their people were descended from the ancient Sicambri and Trojans. An anonymous work of 727 called 'Liber Historiae Francorum' states that following the fall of Troy, 12,000 Trojans led by chiefs Priam and Antenor moved to the Tanais (Don) river, settled in Pannonia near the Sea of Azov and founded a city called "Sicambria", and then two generations later arrived at the Rhine in the late fourth century. An even earlier variation of this story states that an early king named Francio was the namesake of the Franks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    http://www.exulanten.com/franks.html
    By legend, the Franks claimed that their people were descended from the ancient Sicambri and Trojans. An anonymous work of 727 called 'Liber Historiae Francorum' states that following the fall of Troy, 12,000 Trojans led by chiefs Priam and Antenor moved to the Tanais (Don) river, settled in Pannonia near the Sea of Azov and founded a city called "Sicambria", and then two generations later arrived at the Rhine in the late fourth century. An even earlier variation of this story states that an early king named Francio was the namesake of the Franks.

    Tanais is Tana under the venetians and is now called Azov

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Tanais is Tana under the venetians and is now called Azov

    https://www.v-stetsyuk.name/en/Scythian/Sarmats.html

    Left: Sarmatian Cataphract from Tanais: Marble block with the image of a horseman (2nd century A.D.)
    Marble 40х35 cm, from the ancient city of Tanais on the Don River. The horseman is garbed as a Sarmatian or Alan warrior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    I always thought the Alans were involved, but Z19945 is pure european from origin of 1460bc

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I always thought the Alans were involved, but Z19945 is pure european from origin of 1460bc
    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-dna-is-pure/

    .....not that I am necessarily on board with everything that has Harvard's brand on it.

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    Question :)

    If somebody buys a FTDNA STRs upgrade: Y-111 or Y-700, do they also test for new SNPs (markers) ???

    and if they do, do they charge extra for + or - results, or is it all included ???


    (Previously bought: y-67, ...SNPs pacK, and single SNPs testing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Question :)
    If somebody buys a FTDNA STRs upgrade: Y-111 or Y-700, do they also test for new SNPs (markers) ???
    and if they do, do they charge extra for + or - results, or is it all included ???
    The issue is that they test a lot but do not show you the tested negative snp unless you specifically check them one at a time.

    It was different in the past

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Question :)

    If somebody buys a FTDNA STRs upgrade: Y-111 or Y-700, do they also test for new SNPs (markers) ???

    and if they do, do they charge extra for + or - results, or is it all included ???
    By "new SNPs" are you referring to private variants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    The issue is that they test a lot but do not show you the tested negative snp unless you specifically check them one at a time.

    It was different in the past
    Do they show the positive SNPs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    By "new SNPs" are you referring to private variants?
    No, to the new SNPs discovered since I bought the first test (presumed + or -), and the Blue Downstream not available for testing in the “Y DNA Haplotree” Page.

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    https://dna-explained.com/2019/01/30...-to-big-y-700/

    The Big Y test itself provides a scan of the majority of the Y chromosome, providing results to testers including:


    • All SNPs found, both ancestral (original value) and derived (mutated state)
    • New mutations never discovered before known as Private Variants. It’s exciting to be a part of scientific discovery AND these are useful genealogically as well. I wrote about using the Estes Big Y results here.
    • Reports for named SNPs and private variants, both
    • Matching for SNPs
    • SNP tree placement
    • The new Block Tree
    • First 500, now 700 STR values included for free. You can read about how these markers work, here.
    • Matching to other testers for both SNPs and STRs above 111 (STRs below 111 are handled separately).

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    What about the Y-111?

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    I’m asking strictly about FTDNA.
    I'm trying to find out what they really offer.

    (I already tested for my downstreams at Yseq, so I know the results)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Question :)

    If somebody buys a FTDNA STRs upgrade: Y-111 or Y-700, do they also test for new SNPs (markers) ???

    and if they do, do they charge extra for + or - results, or is it all included ???


    (Previously bought: y-67, ...SNPs pacK, and single SNPs testing)
    I am pretty sure my original haplotree I got when I did the Y-111 now shows the +'s and -'s from my Big Y-700 test.
    When I am able to access my FTDNA account I will verify that....I'm in a mountainous area.

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