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Thread: Positive for CTS8489 but Negative for CTS8862

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I’m asking strictly about FTDNA.

    (I already tested for my downstreams at Yseq, so I know the results)
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    also keyboard still autocorrect @Duarte with @Carlos

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    @Duarte not all single SNPs are available for testing in my page.

    (I’m positive for CTS8862 and I tested positive for Z19945 at yseq, (neg. for CTS1848)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    What about the Y-111?
    My understanding is that you get Y-111 tested when you do the Big Y...if that is your question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    My understanding is that you get Y-111 tested when you do the Big Y...if that is your question.
    I have y-67, and I bought the T-M184 SNP PACK, ... before.

    I’m thinking to get Y-111, not the Big Y 700.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Do they show the positive SNPs?
    They show only your positives in the haplotree area......bottom of the tree is your snp, including private ones
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    My understanding is that you get Y-111 tested when you do the Big Y...if that is your question.
    Y-111 is not that good as many testers jump from y67 to the big- y 's

    you have minimal people on y111......I regret doing mine, but I did get a good deal

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    Thank you for Answering my Questions, Torzio, BMW, Duarte

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    I am pretty sure my original haplotree I got when I did the Y-111 now shows the +'s and -'s from my Big Y-700 test.
    When I am able to access my FTDNA account I will verify that....I'm in a mountainous area.
    Yes, the + or - results are all included.
    Yes, my updated haplotree shows all my +'s and -'s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Thank you for Answering my Questions, Torzio, BMW, Duarte
    You’re welcome:)

    First I took the Y-111 test. The result was disappointing. My predicted haplogroup was R-M269. After the test, they showing me a series of SNPs that could be tested downstream. What was shown to me was a lottery! I did not want this. I preferred to upload to Big Y and find out my exact haplogroup: R1b-FGC35133.

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    "Yes, my updated haplotree shows all my +'s and -'s.".....the large list is at the bottom of the tree.

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    [QUOTE=torzio;589240]I always thought the Alans were involved, but Z19945 is pure european from origin of 1460bc
    _Liburni_gens_Asiatica_Anatomy_of_Classical_Stereo typej


    https://www.academia.edu/33029236/_L...cal_Stereotype

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    Thanks for sharing the link, torzio.

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    [QUOTE=torzio;589286]
    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I always thought the Alans were involved, but Z19945 is pure european from origin of 1460bc
    _Liburni_gens_Asiatica_Anatomy_of_Classical_Stereo typej


    https://www.academia.edu/33029236/_L...cal_Stereotype
    Anatolia ancient name was Asia Minor "asiatics" , there is a link above of liburnians with lycians

    a lot of T found in Lycian area as well as the island of Chios

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    [QUOTE=torzio;589324]
    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post

    Anatolia ancient name was Asia Minor "asiatics" , there is a link above of liburnians with lycians

    a lot of T found in Lycian area as well as the island of Chios
    If Z19945 is to be from Anatolia....where would that leave CTS8489?

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    [QUOTE=torzio;589324]
    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post

    Anatolia ancient name was Asia Minor "asiatics" , there is a link above of liburnians with lycians

    a lot of T found in Lycian area as well as the island of Chios
    My Y-DNA has me tracking the name "Hait" which has possible Armenian origins:

    Hyde [Heydt]

    >> The surname Heydt /Hait was first found in Bavaria where the name Heidt was anciently associated with the tribal conflicts of the area. They declared allegiances to many nobles and princes of early history, lending their influence in struggles for power and status within the region. They branched into many houses, and their contributions were sought by many leaders in their search for power. <<

    >>mostly means 'rural dweller', "that of the heathland", whereby heath is nothing more than the wide, open land in contrast to the closed field<<



    The other meaning Heide=paganus=heathen is a late medieval aberration.

    *****Alemanni Tribe (520 AD)





    HAIDAR
    Gender Masculine
    Usage Arabic
    Scripts حيدر(Arabic)
    Meaning & History
    Means "lion" in Arabic.
    Related Names
    VariantsHaider, Hayder, Hyder
    Other Languages & CulturesHeydar(Persian) Haydar(Turkish)



    "In any case, Anglo-Saxon use of heathen followed that of their Continental cousins, the Goths. In the fourth century, the Goths’ bishop, Ulfilas (‘Wolfling’) had made his own Gothic translation, in which the Syrophenician woman in Mark 7:26 is called haithno. That looks like heathen, but the ingenious Norwegian philologist, Sophus Bugge (1833-1907), had a notion that Ulfilas borrowed the word haithno from the Armenian version of the Gospels. And the Armenians had simply borrowed their own word from the Greek ethnos."



    “Heathen” comes by way of Bishop Ulfilas (aka Wulfila). In the late 300s he translated the New Testament from Greek into Gothic for the Visigoths. Many of his words spread to other Germanic languages, like English.
    His heathen was haithno. There are two ideas about how he came up with that word:
    1. He gothicized the Greek ethnos, possibly by way of the Armenian word hethanos.
    2. He modeled it on the Latin word paganus (pagan). Pagan meant someone who lived in the countryside, but as the cities Christianized, it came to mean a non-Christian. Likewise, heathen was someone who lived on the heath, who was now seen as non-Christian.

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    [QUOTE=BMW;589333]
    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post

    If Z19945 is to be from Anatolia....where would that leave CTS8489?
    There is no Z19945 in Anatolia.....it is either on the French-Swiss border or the Czech-German-Austrian border.....the snp for T1a2 in Anatolia is only found to be Cts933........ DNA-explained owner, Estes has a line also T from this Lycian lands......I will try to find her article from a few years ago

    find this

    Hugh Bowling (1591-1651) – DNA Rare as Hen’s Teeth – 52 Ancestors #14

    in her site for more details

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    [QUOTE=torzio;589343]
    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    There is no Z19945 in Anatolia.....it is either on the French-Swiss border or the Czech-German-Austrian border.....the snp for T1a2 in Anatolia is only found to be Cts933........ DNA-explained owner, Estes has a line also T from this Lycian lands......I will try to find her article from a few years ago

    find this

    Hugh Bowling (1591-1651) – DNA Rare as Hen’s Teeth – 52 Ancestors #14


    in her site for more details
    Thanks, torzio.

    https://dna-explained.com/2014/04/04...-ancestors-14/

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    "I am another of the Northern T group, I am T-L446 ( noted as Eastern Alpine ).
    I need to know where you have found information which states the origins of T is in the Taurus mountains as I have never came across this in all the paper I have read.
    I have heard of it being in the Zargos mountains of Northern Iran close to the Caspian sea on the east side. It is a West- Asian marker."


    torzio,

    I had also thought it was considered to be Iranian....thus not European.
    The theory for Anatolia now seems compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    "I am another of the Northern T group, I am T-L446 ( noted as Eastern Alpine ).
    I need to know where you have found information which states the origins of T is in the Taurus mountains as I have never came across this in all the paper I have read.
    I have heard of it being in the Zargos mountains of Northern Iran close to the Caspian sea on the east side. It is a West- Asian marker."
    torzio,
    I had also thought it was considered to be Iranian....thus not European.
    The theory for Anatolia now seems compelling.
    I said the snp z19945 is pure european...for origins of T, then all say north of the zargos mountain range...but others say around the caspian sea, where haplogroup LT split apart into L and T

    Northern for L131 or L446 is what gareth use to say as part of the armenian ftdna project, there is even a map for T there

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I said the snp z19945 is pure european...for origins of T, then all say north of the zargos mountain range...but others say around the caspian sea, where haplogroup LT split apart into L and T

    Northern for L131 or L446 is what gareth use to say as part of the armenian ftdna project, there is even a map for T there
    Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. I appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. I appreciate it.
    Read
    https://genlinginterface.com/updates...e-for-lt-l298/

    I do not believe in most of it but its food for thought

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    "There is no Z19945 in Anatolia.....it is either on the French-Swiss border or the Czech-German-Austrian border....." - torzio

    torzio,

    While pursuing the possibility that I connect back to a Flemish knight named Hait (born mid to late 11th century) I came across a monk named Haito.
    His location works with what you wrote about Z19945.

    Haito…… Haito, Bishop of Basel and Abbot of Reichenau
    was born in 763, of a noble family of Swabia.

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Swabia

    "Swabia, German Schwaben, historic region of southwestern Germany, including what is now the southern portion of Baden-Württemberg Land (state) and the southwestern part of Bavaria Land in Germany, as well as eastern Switzerland and Alsace.

    Swabia’s name is derived from that of the Suebi, a Germanic people who, with the Alemanni, occupied the upper Rhine and upper Danube region in the 3rd century ad and spread south to Lake Constance and east to the Lech River. Known first as Alemannia, the region was called Swabia from the 11th century. The Franks under Clovis mastered the Alemanni about ad 500; later in the 6th century, the Franks established a duchy in Alemannia to control the region, which gained autonomy under the later Merovingians but lost it under the Carolingians. The Lex Alemannorum, a code based on Alemannic customary law, first emerged in the 7th century. By the 7th century Irish missionaries began to introduce Christianity. Centres of Christian activity included the abbeys of St. Gall and of Reichenau and the bishoprics of Basel, Constance, and Augsburg; most Swabian sees came into the archepiscopal province of Mainz."



    Possible tie to Haito:


    https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Hedde#ixzz62wBktl5J





    "Recorded as Hedau, Hedaux, Hede, Hedde, Hedou, Hedin, Hedon, Hedman and others, this is a surname of French (and Belgian) origins, of which it has at least two. The first is one from a large group which descend from an early Germanic personal name 'Haido or Hadu' meaning battle."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    "There is no Z19945 in Anatolia.....it is either on the French-Swiss border or the Czech-German-Austrian border....." - torzio
    torzio,
    While pursuing the possibility that I connect back to a Flemish knight named Hait (born mid to late 11th century) I came across a monk named Haito.
    His location works with what you wrote about Z19945.
    Haito…… Haito, Bishop of Basel and Abbot of Reichenau
    was born in 763, of a noble family of Swabia.
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Swabia
    "Swabia, German Schwaben, historic region of southwestern Germany, including what is now the southern portion of Baden-Württemberg Land (state) and the southwestern part of Bavaria Land in Germany, as well as eastern Switzerland and Alsace.
    Swabia’s name is derived from that of the Suebi, a Germanic people who, with the Alemanni, occupied the upper Rhine and upper Danube region in the 3rd century ad and spread south to Lake Constance and east to the Lech River. Known first as Alemannia, the region was called Swabia from the 11th century. The Franks under Clovis mastered the Alemanni about ad 500; later in the 6th century, the Franks established a duchy in Alemannia to control the region, which gained autonomy under the later Merovingians but lost it under the Carolingians. The Lex Alemannorum, a code based on Alemannic customary law, first emerged in the 7th century. By the 7th century Irish missionaries began to introduce Christianity. Centres of Christian activity included the abbeys of St. Gall and of Reichenau and the bishoprics of Basel, Constance, and Augsburg; most Swabian sees came into the archepiscopal province of Mainz."
    Possible tie to Haito:

    https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Hedde#ixzz62wBktl5J
    "Recorded as Hedau, Hedaux, Hede, Hedde, Hedou, Hedin, Hedon, Hedman and others, this is a surname of French (and Belgian) origins, of which it has at least two. The first is one from a large group which descend from an early Germanic personal name 'Haido or Hadu' meaning battle."
    Is that near the jura caves swabia ?....there is ols sample of T-z19945 found there.....i have posted it before
    Romans called lake constance...lacus venetus

    I cannot open your link

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