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    Thank you, Krum!

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    Krum,

    "Moyat Y-DNA me prosledyava imeto "Hait", koeto e vŭzmozhno armenski proizkhod"

    Fascinating!.....and you are haplogroup "E".
    I will have to do some research and find out if haplogroups "E" and "T" may have migrated together at some point.

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    Krum,

    Alemanni
    . The Alemanni (also Alamanni; Suebi "Swabians") were a confederation of Germanic tribes on the Upper Rhine River.

    In 496, the Alemanni were conquered by Frankish leader Clovis and incorporated into his dominions.
    Haito of Reichenau….was born in 763, of a noble family of Swabia.



    The Thracians, Dacians & Illyrians

    According to ancient sources, the Thracians were a fusion of Proto-Indo-European Steppe people with the Neolithic inhabitants of the Carpathians (Cucuteni-Trypillian culture). As such they probably belonged to R1a (about 30%), R1b (10%), I2a1b (25-30%), E-V13 (10-15%), G2a, J1, J2a, J2b, and T1a. The Dacians were closely related to the Thracians and would have carried a similar mixture of haplogroups.






    Ancient Greeks

    The Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I2, E1b1b, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Krum,

    Alemanni
    . The Alemanni (also Alamanni; Suebi "Swabians") were a confederation of Germanic tribes on the Upper Rhine River.

    In 496, the Alemanni were conquered by Frankish leader Clovis and incorporated into his dominions.
    Haito of Reichenau….was born in 763, of a noble family of Swabia.



    The Thracians, Dacians & Illyrians

    According to ancient sources, the Thracians were a fusion of Proto-Indo-European Steppe people with the Neolithic inhabitants of the Carpathians (Cucuteni-Trypillian culture). As such they probably belonged to R1a (about 30%), R1b (10%), I2a1b (25-30%), E-V13 (10-15%), G2a, J1, J2a, J2b, and T1a. The Dacians were closely related to the Thracians and would have carried a similar mixture of haplogroups.






    Ancient Greeks

    The Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I2, E1b1b, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago.

    Hello,
    Yes, it is possible because these are many groups. The link I sent you is about one possible origin of the surname HAYDT / HAYT from the word "hajduk". The etymology of the word "hajduk" is unclear. One theory is that the Hajduk was derived from the Turkish word haidut or haydut, which was originally used by the Ottomans to refer to Hungarian and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth infantry soldiers. Another theory suggests that the word comes from the Hungarian hajtó or "hajdó" (plural hajtók or "hajdók"), meaning a (cattle) drover. Indeed, these two theories do not necessarily contradict each other, as the Balkan word is said to be derived from the Turkish word haiduk or hayduk (bandit).
    Other spellings in English include hayduck, haydut, haiduk, haiduc, hayduck, hayduk. The time period when it appears can also guide you

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Krum,
    Alemanni
    . The Alemanni (also Alamanni; Suebi "Swabians") were a confederation of Germanic tribes on the Upper Rhine River.
    In 496, the Alemanni were conquered by Frankish leader Clovis and incorporated into his dominions.
    Haito of Reichenau….was born in 763, of a noble family of Swabia.
    The Thracians, Dacians & Illyrians
    According to ancient sources, the Thracians were a fusion of Proto-Indo-European Steppe people with the Neolithic inhabitants of the Carpathians (Cucuteni-Trypillian culture). As such they probably belonged to R1a (about 30%), R1b (10%), I2a1b (25-30%), E-V13 (10-15%), G2a, J1, J2a, J2b, and T1a. The Dacians were closely related to the Thracians and would have carried a similar mixture of haplogroups.
    Ancient Greeks
    The Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I2, E1b1b, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago.
    Imo, the only T1a branch found in the levant was mostly T1a1, with pages00011 heading to egypt with R-v88
    The only T1a2 i recall in the BC levant was the history of the Lemba, who began in an area north of lebanon and migrated to south africa, once there they accepted wifes, unsure if they are from the jewish faith
    More likely for Your T1a2 is either from Chios, Ancient Lycien or northern asia minor.....or what the ancients writers called , the Asiatics
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Imo, the only T1a branch found in the levant was mostly T1a1, with pages00011 heading to egypt with R-v88
    The only T1a2 i recall in the BC levant was the history of the Lemba, who began in an area north of lebanon and migrated to south africa, once there they accepted wifes, unsure if they are from the jewish faith
    More likely for Your T1a2 is either from Chios, Ancient Lycien or northern asia minor.....or what the ancients writers called , the Asiatics
    Were the Thracians ever in northern asia minor?
    I now see that they were in Anatolia, among other nearby areas....and Pannonia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Were the Thracians ever in northern asia minor?
    I now see that they were in Anatolia, among other nearby areas....and Pannonia.
    Asia minor is anatolia, same place
    Yes, iirc , bithniya was thracian, its eastern neighbour Pala was not, nor its neighbour western troad lands .....but i am unsure when its southern phrygians got there.....but we know these phrygians fought a serious of wars against the Lydians circa 500 bc......
    Herodusus does claim the thracoans are the second biggest nation of people after the indians and their steppe border was with the cimmerians

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Asia minor is anatolia, same place
    Yes, iirc , bithniya was thracian, its eastern neighbour Pala was not, nor its neighbour western troad lands .....but i am unsure when its southern phrygians got there.....but we know these phrygians fought a serious of wars against the Lydians circa 500 bc......
    Herodusus does claim the thracoans are the second biggest nation of people after the indians and their steppe border was with the cimmerians

    Thanks for that, torzio.

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    YFull has their updated YTree.....YTree v7.09.01 at 25 November 2019

    They have CTS8862 as one of my terminal SNPs...along with CTS8489, CTS10538, CTS9984, Y26649, Z19944, Z19951 and Z19953.
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    ....on FTDNA:

    NEGATIVE - CTS8862
    PRESUMED NEGATIVE - Z19944, Z19945, CTS9984
    POSITIVE - CTS8489, CTS10538, Y26649, Z19951, Z19953


    Two distinct different set of results when it comes to the matter of CTS8862 .
    Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    ....on FTDNA:

    NEGATIVE - CTS8862
    PRESUMED NEGATIVE - Z19944, Z19945, CTS9984
    POSITIVE - CTS8489, CTS10538, Y26649, Z19951, Z19953


    Two distinct different set of results when it comes to the matter of CTS8862 .
    Any thoughts?
    you are the irish I presume in the attachment below



    yf67318 is a bernot, i think a brother of the person I speak to , a belgium from walloon area

    yf67091 ........Brooks is from Hanover Germany and I need to speak to him again, we are 1 step apart in ftdna but together in yfull

    reddick knox is the Hessian we spoke about earlier

    ers256892 is an italian from Trentino lands ......IIRC fonzaso area, he also has snp z19945 found in yfull

    no idea on sample from spain or puerto rico

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    Yes, that is my 2nd great grandfather Patrick Walsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Yes, that is my 2nd great grandfather Patrick Walsh.
    so what difference is there between ftdna and yfull for yourself ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    so what difference is there between ftdna and yfull for yourself ?
    FTDNA has me negative for CTS8862
    YFull has CTS8862 as a "terminal SNP"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    My YFull SNP matches:

    wow....58 shared snp"s

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    FTDNA has me negative for CTS8862
    YFull has me positive for CTS8862...."A terminal SNP"
    go to yfull snp checker and put in CTS8862 and see how many stars and any comments

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    torzio,

    Can you read that alright? I was going to delete it and try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    torzio,

    Can you read that alright? I was going to delete it and try again.
    i can read it now.....I am back home ...............I spent a week in central-australia ( Ularu ) only had mobile coverage...........

    i get 4 stars via snp checker for cts8862 and noted positive

    CTS8489 , I get 4 stars , noted ? ........but 1 positive reading and no negative reading, so they assume positive

    Z19945, I get 3 stars, noted positive and 3 positive readings

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    i can read it now.....I am back home ...............I spent a week in central-australia ( Ularu ) only had mobile coverage...........

    i get 4 stars via snp checker for cts8862 and noted positive

    CTS8489 , I get 4 stars , noted ? ........but 1 positive reading and no negative reading, so they assume positive

    Z19945, I get 3 stars, noted positive and 3 positive readings
    Well, I am confused....
    For CTS8862 I get four stars and a negative. That does not sound like a terminal SNP does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Well, I am confused....
    For CTS8862 I get four stars and a negative. That does not sound like a terminal SNP does it?

    no it does not

    click on left side ...........and it should give you more info

    cts8862 and cts8489 are the same group in yfull

    yfull stopped reading my cts8489 because i was already positive for cts8862 ................you might be reversed from me

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    no it does not

    click on left side ...........and it should give you more info

    cts8862 and cts8489 are the same group in yfull

    yfull stopped reading my cts8489 because i was already positive for cts8862 ................you might be reversed from me
    Am I able to send you that additional info as an attachment?

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    YFull SNP check for CTS8862



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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    YFull SNP check for CTS8862


    what does it say when you hover mouse of number 44 ?

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