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    Positive for CTS8489 but Negative for CTS8862

    FTDNA has determined my Y-DNA haplogroup to be T-CTS11984. They have also determined that I am positive for CTS8489 but negative for CTS8862.
    Can anyone recommend any additional SNPs I should be tested for to help explain this...and help grow my haplotree, as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    FTDNA has determined my Y-DNA haplogroup to be T-CTS11984. They have also determined that I am positive for CTS8489 but negative for CTS8862.
    Can anyone recommend any additional SNPs I should be tested for to help explain this...and help grow my haplotree, as well?
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    y-dna haplogroup T formerly known as K2

    you might get an answer there by Esteban, he is good for T haplogroup
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-M184_tree.png


    bottom left is your group......might give you an idea on what to check

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    Thanks, zanipolo!

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    In the Phylogenetic T-M184 tree there is no mention of CTS8862....which I am Negative to.
    I am also negative to Y17493 and "presumed" negative to Z19945 and CTS1848.
    The furthest positive I go to in this tree is CTS8489.

    CTS8862 and CTS8489 are not the same.

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    In the tree the Alias for CTS8862 is CTS8489 (as of now)

    If your positives and negatives are all real, eventually CTS8489 will become the Father of CTS8862, because I’m positive for both of them plus Z19945.

    • CTS11984
      • CTS8862
        • pages00113
        • y17493
        • Z19945
          • cts1848







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    Do you have pages00113 ?
    Usually a danish or north german T person

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    zanipolo,
    I show as "presumed negative" for pages00113.

    Salento,
    Thanks for sharing your insight into CTS8489 possibly becoming the Father of CTS8862.

    I appreciate both of your responses.

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    FTDNA now has my hg as CTS8489.....(and still negative for CTS8862).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    FTDNA now has my hg as CTS8489.....(and still negative for CTS8862).
    CTS8489 and in the same branch CTS8862 ............there is no issue........I have a negative in one SNP in the main SNP M184 group of many SNP's ...........I am also negative for SNP pages000113 which is in same group


    Upstream SNPs:
    M184>L490>M70>Z19859>L131>L446>Y6055>CTS933>Z19939>CTS11984>CTS8862
    ISOGG Tree (2019): T1a2b1a1
    TMRCA (YFull Tree)
    T-CTS8489: 3,100 ybp (2,200-4,100 ybp @ 95%) (T-CTS8489 is at the same level as T-CTS8862)

    T-CTS1848: 2,500 ybp (1,450-3,900 ybp @95%)

    TMRCA (JewishDNA.net)


    T-CTS8862 AB-017: 198 BCE - 977 CE (@95%)





    https://sites.google.com/site/levitedna/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ashkenazi-jews/haplogroup-t-y-dna-clusters-for-ashkenazi-jews

    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    CTS8489 and in the same branch CTS8862 ............there is no issue........I have a negative in one SNP in the main SNP M184 group of many SNP's ...........I am also negative for SNP pages000113 which is in same group


    Upstream SNPs:
    M184>L490>M70>Z19859>L131>L446>Y6055>CTS933>Z19939>CTS11984>CTS8862
    ISOGG Tree (2019): T1a2b1a1
    TMRCA (YFull Tree)
    T-CTS8489: 3,100 ybp (2,200-4,100 ybp @ 95%) (T-CTS8489 is at the same level as T-CTS8862)

    T-CTS1848: 2,500 ybp (1,450-3,900 ybp @95%)

    TMRCA (JewishDNA.net)


    T-CTS8862 AB-017: 198 BCE - 977 CE (@95%)





    https://sites.google.com/site/levitedna/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ashkenazi-jews/haplogroup-t-y-dna-clusters-for-ashkenazi-jews

    I’m also negative for y T PAGES00113 and the other 2 Ashkenazi y T clusters: BY11520 and Y31472.

    About that link:

    Does that means that almost all the T CTS8862 labeled as Ashkenazi Jewish are actually positive for PAGES00113 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I’m also negative for y T PAGES00113 and the other 2 Ashkenazi y T clusters: BY11520 and Y31472.

    About that link:

    Does that means that almost all the T CTS8862 labeled as Ashkenazi Jewish are actually positive for PAGES00113 ?
    yes, it says of the 50 samples of CTS8862 or under CTS8862 , only the 4 samples of Pages00113 are jewish

    Based upon the sample set, it appears that T-PAGES00113 may be the only Ashkenazi subcluster within the T-CTS8862 cluster.

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    I'm still trying to understand how T-CTS8489 and T-CTS882 are at the same level. I am positive for one and negative for the other while there are people that are positive for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    I'm still trying to understand how T-CTS8489 and T-CTS882 are at the same level. I am positive for one and negative for the other while there are people that are positive for both.
    And this is why you branch splits off from there
    Yfull has a T-CTS8489*........maybe you will fall under that branch once it is established

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    Thanks, torzio!

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