I found statistic for Sandžakian Bosniaks on "Bosniak dna project", sample is 255 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandžak
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That proportion of R1a is very low for a Slavic population. Except for the decent amount of I2a1, I would venture that the haplogroup profile was much more consistent with, dare I say, Albanians?
They are predominantly of Albanian origin. Catholic Albanians (Malesors) from northern Albania migrated to Sandžak in 18th century and converted on Islam when they arrived because Ottomans gave then land and privilegies for conversion. They lost their language during 19th and first half of 20th century, they adopted Serbian language and today speak Zeta dialect of Serbian language. Other Sandžakian Muslims which are not of Albanian origin came in 18th century from Montenegro, they were Serbs/Serbian speakers and Orthodox before islamization. Some of them originated from Anatolian settlers, the smallest part.
Sandžakian Muslims are bosniakized ih recent time.
Ghegs Albanias including Malesors have very low R1a (2/3 of Sandžakians originated from Malesors), and Monrengrins or Serbs from Montenegro have lower R1a than other Serbs, because of that Sandžakians have so low R1a.
100% of Sandžakian R1b is clade BY611. This clade is typical for Albanians.
they adopted Serbian language and today speak Zeta dialect of Serbian language
Its clear that they are mostly serbicized Albanians. I have a question tho, are these all Sanxhak living persons? I heard they are throwing Bosnjaks from Bosnia and Serbs inside?
Zukorliq guy who is their project leader is my autosomal relative, and since his mother is not Albanian its clear this connection is by fathers side.
Also he has ultra Albanian haplogroup R1b>BY611>Y33200
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Vast majority of assimilation happened in the last 50 years, especially during the communism period. Even Novi Pazar during WW2 was predominantly Albanian linguistically, let alone rural regions like Peshter. Where most people didn’t even speak a word of Serbian.@ Dema
Sandžakians speak Zeta-Raška dialect of Serbian language [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta-Raška_dialect[/video]
This dialect came from central and eastern Montenegro.
Malesors when they settled to Sandžak by time adopted language of islamized settlers from Montenegrin Brda who where Orthodox before islamization and came to Sandžak little before Malesors. Montenegrin Brđani took position of power in Ottoman system in Sandžak (agas, pashas, beys) and Malesors started to learn their language. Malesor majority adopted language of Brđani minority elite. This proces was most expressed in 19th century. Islamized Malesors of Sandžak entered in 20th century as bilingual. After WW2 they almost totally forgot Albanian language. Today only few older people in Sandžak still know Albanian.
Vast majority of the assimilation happened in the last 50 years, especially during the communism period. Even Novi Pazar during WW2 was predominantly Albanian linguistically, let alone rural regions like Peshter. Where most people didn’t even speak a word of Serbian.
This statistic is refers only on Sandžakian Bosniaks, from both Serbian and Montenegrin part of Sandžak.
On "Bosniak dna project" there is also statistics fom Bosniaks from Vrhbosna, Herzegovina, Central Bosnia, Podrinje and East Bosnia, Usora and Soli, Bosnian Posavina and Bosnian Krajina. Only for Sandžakians statistic is representative due to solid sample, for other regions samples are small; Vrhbosna 18, Herzegovina 31, Central Bosnia 23, Podrinje and East Bosnia 29, Usora and Soli 31, Bosnian Posavina 5, Bosnian Krajina 73.
They are predominantly of Albanian origin. Catholic Albanians (Malesors) from northern Albania migrated to Sandžak in 18th century and converted on Islam when they arrived because Ottomans gave then land and privilegies for conversion. They lost their language during 19th and first half of 20th century, they adopted Serbian language and today speak Zeta dialect of Serbian language. Other Sandžakian Muslims which are not of Albanian origin came in 18th century from Montenegro, they were Serbs/Serbian speakers and Orthodox before islamization. Some of them originated from Anatolian settlers, the smallest part.
Sandžakian Muslims are bosniakized ih recent time.
Ghegs Albanias including Malesors have very low R1a (2/3 of Sandžakians originated from Malesors), and Monrengrins or Serbs from Montenegro have lower R1a than other Serbs, because of that Sandžakians have so low R1a.
100% of Sandžakian R1b is clade BY611. This clade is typical for Albanians.
There are some inaccuracies in these two posts of yours.@ Dema
Sandžakians speak Zeta-Raška dialect of Serbian language [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta-Raška_dialect[/video]
This dialect came from central and eastern Montenegro.
Malesors when they settled to Sandžak by time adopted language of islamized settlers from Montenegrin Brda who where Orthodox before islamization and came to Sandžak little before Malesors. Montenegrin Brđani took position of power in Ottoman system in Sandžak (agas, pashas, beys) and Malesors started to learn their language. Malesor majority adopted language of Brđani minority elite. This proces was most expressed in 19th century. Islamized Malesors of Sandžak entered in 20th century as bilingual. After WW2 they almost totally forgot Albanian language. Today only few older people in Sandžak still know Albanian.
There are some inaccuracies in these two posts of yours.
First is true that the inhabitants of Sandjak are predominantly of Albanian origin.
Only part of them are Catholics from North Albania converted in Islam. The rest are Albanians native in that territory. In year 1700 Ottomans exiled an important number of people from Kelmendi in Pester but the majority of them returned in Kelmendi fighting in their way of returning against the Turks. Even the women partecipated side by side with their men in these battles, something very common among Albanian highlanders in North and South but the women of Kelmendi are famous for their participation alongside their men in their battles. A small group of Kelmendi people could not escape and they were forcefully imposed on Islamization. So, it is not accurate when you say that they arrived there for land an privileges from Ottomans.
It is also not accurate when you say that they lost their language during the XIX century. They lost their language during the communist regime in only two generations. One of the tactics used by the Serbs against the Albanians in ex-Yugoslavia was their Islamization, something similar we saw in Greece against the Albanian Chams, who were forbidden to learn the Albanian language and were obliged to learn Arabic, the techniques are the same. In the former Yugoslavia, during the communist regime, the Serbs decided to change tactics and they thought to cut the branches of the tree first. In the impossibility of attacking directly Kosova, because there is a massive and well-composed Albanian population in Kosova, they have intensified their efforts in Sandjak and in what is today North Macedonia. They also used imams and other Muslim religious authorities in this war(they also brought imams from Bosnia and several Arab countries, friends of the ex-Yugoslavia and from ex-Soviet Union, for this purpose). It is a well-known fact that the elite of the Albanian Muslim clergy were spies of the UDB, Yugoslav secret service, there was also a public self-denunciation by the ex-head of this Albanian muslim community in North Macedonia Sulejman Rexhepi, himself a spy of UDB. The Serbs also used the Bosniaks in this mission, their loyal allies, against the Albanians. The result was the Islamization and Slavicization of the Albanians of Sandjak, and the migration during the 50s of the last century of a large part of the Albanians from the today North Macedonia in Turkey, they made impossible the life in their native land to these Albanians and here arrived the imams (some of them) who suggested to the Albanians the option of migration to Turkey as the only alternative. There was also a verbal agreement between Tito and the ambassador of Turkey in the former Yugoslavia for this translocation of Albanians in Turkey. The plan(an old plan) of the Serbs was to empty the former Yugoslavia from the Albanians and in the case of Sandjak, to turn them into Bosniaks. This is the truth. The last 50 years of the 20th century, culminating with the War in Kosova, are a testimony of my words.
The new generations of the Sandjaks, aware of their Albanian origins, are angry with their parents for this transformation into Bosnians and want to return to their roots. Let's see what the future holds.
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One of the tactics used by the Serbs against the Albanians in ex-Yugoslavia was their Islamization,
something similar we saw in Greece against the Albanian Chams, who were forbidden to learn the Albanian language and were obliged to learn Arabic, the techniques are the same. In the former Yugoslavia, during the communist regime, the Serbs decided to change tactics and they thought to cut the branches of the tree first. In the impossibility of attacking directly Kosova, because there is a massive and well-composed Albanian population in Kosova, they have intensified their efforts in Sandjak and in what is today North Macedonia. They also used imams and other Muslim religious authorities in this war(they also brought imams from Bosnia and several Arab countries, friends of the ex-Yugoslavia and from ex-Soviet Union, for this purpose). It is a well-known fact that the elite of the Albanian Muslim clergy were spies of the UDB, Yugoslav secret service, there was also a public self-denunciation by the ex-head of this Albanian muslim community in North Macedonia Sulejman Rexhepi, himself a spy of UDB.
The Serbs also used the Bosniaks in this mission, their loyal allies, against the Albanians. The result was the Islamization and Slavicization of the Albanians of Sandjak
The Serbs also used the Bosniaks in this mission, their loyal allies, against the Albanians. The result was the Islamization and Slavicization of the Albanians of Sandjak
This is what typical Serb or Greek would say.They also used imams and other Muslim religious authorities in this war(they also brought imams from Bosnia and several Arab countries, friends of the ex-Yugoslavia and from ex-Soviet Union, for this purpose). It is a well-known fact that the elite of the Albanian Muslim clergy were spies of the UDB, Yugoslav secret service, there was also a public self-denunciation by the ex-head of this Albanian muslim community in North Macedonia Sulejman Rexhepi, himself a spy of UDB. The Serbs also used the Bosniaks in this mission, their loyal allies, against the Albanians. The result was the Islamization and Slavicization of the Albanians of Sandjak, and the migration during the 50s of the last century of a large part of the Albanians from the today North Macedonia in Turkey, they made impossible the life in their native land to these Albanians and here arrived the imams (some of them) who suggested to the Albanians the option of migration to Turkey as the only alternative.
The new generations of the Sandjaks, aware of their Albanian origins, are angry with their parents for this transformation into Bosnians and want to return to their roots. Let's see what the future holds
League of Prizren
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