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Thread: Saxons, or the People of the Knife (Seax)?

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    Sasanach is exactly from Sassen not from Latin Saxones and Romanian Sas is even closer to Sassen.
    England is even called Sasana in Welsh and Irish Gaelic which is very close to Sassen.
    Because is very likely that Saxons were speaking their own language not Frisian.
    Angles should have spoken a different West German language than Saxons but a close one.
    Saxon is very obvious coming after the Norman conquest.
    After Norman conquest English language got a lot of Romance words, including Saxon.
    But Gaelic languages retained their more ancient Sasanach and Sasana.

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    The Scottish word "Sasannach" is from the Middle Irish word "Saxanach" which is combination of "Saxain" meaning "England" and the suffix "-ach", which means "related to" or "characterised by". The Middle Irish word "Saxain" is the masculine plural, in dative and nominative singular and plural forms it is "Saxa". Lets investigate this word, Saxa. Saxa is a Middle Irish word borrowed from the Latin word "Saxō", this Latin word is from the Old Saxon word "Sahsō" which derives from Proto-Germanic "sahsô", which is likely a derivative of yet again the Proto-Germanic word sahsą, which comes from the PIE word *sek-, which as we all know means "to cut".
    Now when we look at the singular nominative form of the Latin word Saxo in plural it is "Saxones", genitive singular is Saxonis, plural genitive is "Saxonum".


    The Welsh word Saesneg is from the Proto-Brythonic word *Seis (plural is *Saïson) again this word is borrowed from the Latin word Saxō and ultimately of the same Proto-Germanic origin and eventual PIE origin.
    Saxons were readily referenced well before the Norman Conquest, they were mentioned in various documents in Britain and before that by Romans documenting events and various tribal movements and activity.


    I'm not even sure what this thread is about anymore, are we discussing what the name "Saxon" refers to? Where it came from? I think it's pretty clear through the etymologies where the name comes from and I think it is pretty clear that the Saxons are a Germanic tribe from the North Sea area.

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    I have problem to trust the official theory from main stream, about Sasana/England and Sasanach coming from Saxanach.
    And Saxanach coming from Latin Saxon.
    Is quite clear Welsh people had direct contact to Saxon migrants.
    I doubt they were communicating in Latin.
    As for the theory that Saxons were called like that from Seaks, people from Low Saxony were not speaking Frisian.
    Frisian language is telling to the Saxons Sachsen.
    People from Lower Saxony were speaking an ancient Old German.

    So they were not calling themselves actually Saxen :) .
    Just found, ancient Saxons were calling themselves Sahson or Sasson in ancient Old German.
    No link to Seax, the knife that very likely came with Danish Vikings.
    Because is identical with the long blade knives that were used by Vikings.

    The main knife found in Saxon sites from England is not the Seax, but a knife with a short blade, which was very likely used for things in the house, as cooking and so on :) .

    As for the theories of some English historian that the name of the Saxons came from the Seax, highly disagree with those.

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    So Longobards and Baiuvarii tribes who predate the Vikings by centuries got their seaxs from time-traveling Vikings?

    By the way the unique shaped seax you reference is the broken-back seax. There are many varieties of seax.

    Now the seaxs found in England, were not just the short variety. Do you care to elaborate on the Seax of Beagnoth (Thames Scramasax) found in the Thames? If the Vikings are responsible for spreading the use of the seax how come the runes on this Thames scramasax are in Anglo-Saxon futhorc?

    Why are there seaxs of varying sizes and types found in Frankish graves, Alemanni graves, Baiuvarii graves and other Germanic graves that predate the Vikings?
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