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    Collegno & Szolad Longobards on GEDmatch Genesis

    I have uploaded them to GEDmatch Genesis (should be available for "one-to-many" comparisons tomorrow):

    Kit Number: UU5731879
    Name: CL23

    Kit Number: QD2543537
    Name: CL25

    Kit Number: NZ1152016
    Name: CL30

    Kit Number: WK4740429
    Name: CL31

    Kit Number: WU7470506
    Name: CL36

    Kit Number: SW6326785
    Name: CL38

    Kit Number: RS3778199
    Name: CL47

    Kit Number: BR2498284
    Name: CL49

    Kit Number: NC7956297
    Name: CL53

    Kit Number: RP8536010
    Name: CL57

    Kit Number: WG5925191
    Name: CL63

    Kit Number: GF5389415
    Name: CL83

    Kit Number: XA3720720
    Name: CL84

    Kit Number: PE7670115
    Name: CL87

    Kit Number: DV8389110
    Name: CL92

    Kit Number: LP1921598
    Name: CL93

    Kit Number: ZQ6809113
    Name: CL94

    Kit Number: CA9725839
    Name: CL97

    Kit Number: HU4726947
    Name: CL102

    Kit Number: SJ4379167
    Name: CL110

    Kit Number: GL9210858
    Name: CL121

    Kit Number: SU3968596
    Name: CL145

    Kit Number: XW7223819
    Name: CL146

    Kit Number: UK8807731
    Name: CL151

    PS: I've mistakenly uploaded them to my "Poland Regions" account, I'll move them to another account later.

    See my ancient Poland uploads here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...hbouring-areas

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    Edit:

    And here are all of the Szolad samples:

    Kit Number: LX9522162
    Name: SZ1

    Kit Number: DQ5538890
    Name: SZ2

    Kit Number: XL9733057
    Name: SZ3

    Kit Number: UA7388446
    Name: SZ4

    Kit Number: SE6751075
    Name: SZ5

    Kit Number: LL1292414
    Name: SZ6

    Kit Number: UX4123860
    Name: SZ7

    Kit Number: UG6245064
    Name: SZ8

    Kit Number: LY7666778
    Name: SZ9

    Kit Number: WX9701878
    Name: SZ11

    Kit Number: RT8592756
    Name: SZ12

    Kit Number: RP1749276
    Name: SZ13

    Kit Number: HM6319499
    Name: SZ14

    Kit Number: RD7767956
    Name: SZ15

    Kit Number: JB8452859
    Name: SZ16

    Kit Number: GP9641645
    Name: SZ18

    Kit Number: QA1470938
    Name: SZ19

    Kit Number: UB5566403
    Name: SZ20

    Kit Number: ZK5912932
    Name: SZ22

    Kit Number: SX7411199
    Name: SZ23

    Kit Number: FJ2528471
    Name: SZ24

    Kit Number: SG8142119
    Name: SZ25

    Kit Number: EY6160897
    Name: SZ27

    Kit Number: AW3972989
    Name: SZ28

    Kit Number: EJ9998826
    Name: SZ30

    Kit Number: NM6192702
    Name: SZ31

    Kit Number: UU6914129
    Name: SZ32

    Kit Number: DB9262516
    Name: SZ35

    Kit Number: BY5848416
    Name: SZ36

    Kit Number: BF8929036
    Name: SZ37

    Kit Number: ZJ3278878
    Name: SZ38

    Kit Number: TZ5280008
    Name: SZ40

    Kit Number: DH1542070
    Name: SZ41

    Kit Number: QF6361492
    Name: SZ42

    Kit Number: JH3368939
    Name: SZ43

    Kit Number: QN2474695
    Name: SZ44

    Kit Number: LN6607043
    Name: SZ45

    Last edited by Tomenable; 12-05-19 at 20:14. Reason: CL23 and CL25 were missing, added now.

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    Can you post CL23 as well

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    Thank you for your effort !

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    Analysing the first four samples using Eurogenes K13 I notice that they are really ‘diverse ‘ from each other ... some resembling south Italians and some resembling French population ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Can you post CL23 as well
    SZ36 is a Y T, and is my 1st match at myTrueanc in a couple of my RawD.
    CL23 also a Y T, is lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Can you post CL23 as well
    It is missing? Which ones are missing? I will upload them too.

    I thought I uploaded all but apparently not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    I have uploaded them to GEDmatch Genesis (should be available for "one-to-many" comparisons tomorrow):

    Kit Number: NZ1152016
    Name: CL30

    Kit Number: WK4740429
    Name: CL31

    Kit Number: RS3778199
    Name: CL47

    Kit Number: SW6326785
    Name: CL38

    Kit Number: WU7470506
    Name: CL36

    Kit Number: NC7956297
    Name: CL53

    Kit Number: RP8536010
    Name: CL57

    Kit Number: BR2498284
    Name: CL49

    Kit Number: WG5925191
    Name: CL63

    Kit Number: GF5389415
    Name: CL83

    Kit Number: XA3720720
    Name: CL84

    Kit Number: PE7670115
    Name: CL87

    Kit Number: DV8389110
    Name: CL92

    Kit Number: LP1921598
    Name: CL93

    Kit Number: ZQ6809113
    Name: CL94

    Kit Number: CA9725839
    Name: CL97

    Kit Number: SJ4379167
    Name: CL110

    Kit Number: HU4726947
    Name: CL102

    Kit Number: SU3968596
    Name: CL145

    Kit Number: UK8807731
    Name: CL151

    Kit Number: GL9210858
    Name: CL121

    Kit Number: XW7223819
    Name: CL146

    PS: I've mistakenly uploaded them to my "Poland Regions" account, I'll move them to another account later.

    See my ancient Poland uploads here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...hbouring-areas
    Thanks, Tomenable.

    Very kind of you.


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    Tomenable, did you upload the Szolad samples as well?

    I know, greedy, greedy. :)

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    Thanks Tomenable.

    Here's CL38, E-V13 from Collegno
    K15 map
    K15-V4-CL38-v1.jpg


    K36 Ancients
    CL38-Ancients.jpg

    K36 Europe & Asia
    CL38-Europe.jpg

    CL38-Asia.jpg

    So Cretan-like, also some strong Anatolian ties, Armenians. Some extra Near Eastern and North African admix is there. For ex. in K36 he scores 10.44 Armenian, 4.84 Arabian, 12.91 Near Eastern. Italian (EEF) is lower than usual (21.90). I guess he might have Greek ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspurg View Post
    Thanks Tomenable.

    Here's CL38, E-V13 from Collegno
    K15 map
    K15-V4-CL38-v1.jpg


    K36 Ancients
    CL38-Ancients.jpg

    K36 Europe & Asia
    CL38-Europe.jpg

    CL38-Asia.jpg

    So Cretan-like, also some strong Anatolian ties, Armenians. Some extra Near Eastern and North African admix is there. For ex. in K36 he scores 10.44 Armenian, 4.84 Arabian, 12.91 Near Eastern. Italian (EEF) is lower than usual (21.90). I guess he might have Greek ancestry.
    He's just Southern Italian like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Tomenable, did you upload the Szolad samples as well?
    I have added them in the first post - the ones I uploaded are from a combined dataset with over 2000 ancients published by David Reich recently, in 2019.

    There are slight differences compared to the ones mlukas uploaded (he took the data from the 2018 dataset).

    It is just like with modern people - if you test with MyHeritage, your GEDmatch results will be a bit different than your GEDmatch results from 23andMe file.

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    Maybe later I will merge raw datas from both versions and re-upload, this should give the highest amount of SNPs in GEDmatch calculators and best results.

    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Can you post CL23 as well
    Added CL23 and CL25 in the first post.

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    Below I've taken screen shots of the seven samples I match first with on Mytrueancestry, compared to my own results, using Dodecad K12b

    1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40
    2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38
    3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121
    4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30
    5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25
    6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19
    7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36
    8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033
    9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041
    10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006
    11. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.2) - SZ43
    12. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.25) - Ker1
    13. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.84) - SZ32












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    Screen Shot 2019-07-10 at 4.14.04 PM.jpgInteresting. Appears very much it was a mainly male-based migration, and in the case of the E V-13 Lombard, even male natives joined. Compare that to me, of predominantly West Germanic and Celtic (both insular and continental) descent.

    Screen Shot 2019-07-10 at 4.14.30 PM.png

    As you can see, I have substantial more Northern European than these individuals who were all members of a Germanic tribe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Below I've taken screen shots of the seven samples I match first with on Mytrueancestry, compared to my own results, using Dodecad K12b

    1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40
    2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38
    3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121
    4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30
    5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25
    6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19
    7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36
    8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033
    9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041
    10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006
    11. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.2) - SZ43
    12. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.25) - Ker1
    13. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.84) - SZ32













    Above is a Eurogenes K15 PCA I put together with the 7 samples, and myself.






    I think the more southern-cluster from the late-Imperial Roman samples are southern Italians as well. There is a lot of overlap between Cretans, and other Greeks throughout Italy.

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    I plotted all of the samples from the Lombard paper on this PCA, with a few others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    I plotted all of the samples from the Lombard paper on this PCA, with a few others.
    Thanks Jovialis for plotting all the samples of the Lombard paper + others.

    This and other time consuming projects have not gone unnoticed :)

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