MOESAN said:
@Cyrus:
always the same obsession?
the Y-I1 in cause is surely very recent and knowed a formidable "baby boom" I presume. We can suppose some of close but different subclades developped in two regions: one close to today Germany and Western Baltic, the other South Finland-Eastern Baltic. It deserves a detailed surveys about SNP's. ATW it was not THE proto-Germanic Y-haplo. I suppose the bearers of proto-Germanic were Y-R1b-U106 and an from North Central Europe reached Scandinavia; on the road and in it they coopted finally Y-I1 people and tail-CWC Y-R1a; maybe the Early-Germanic mix was firstable R-U106-I1a and it is only in the final stage of Germanic that thay had incorporated R1a? Uneasy to prove todate with so little Y-haplos for Scandinavia, but with more anDNA of LBA and IA? I think at these ages the mix of DNA in Northern Europe was already well settled and the changes send by new contacts were no more drastic compared to earlier periods.
at the autosomal level, they had absorbed a lot of CWC and BB DNA, more CWC than Celts did, I think.
Ok, lets talk about
R1b-U106, as you probably know, my main topic of research is about the ancient land of
Guti and Suedin (modern
Luristan) in the west of Iran.
Primitive Civilizations, page 265:
As you read about modern Lurs: "Considering their NRY variation, the Lurs are distinguished from other Iranian groups by their relatively elevated frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b (specifically, of subclade
R1b1a2a)"
Now look at Eupedia page about R1b:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml
As you see R1b-U106 is a subclade of haplogroup
R1b1a2a1a and it happened after the Middle Bronze Age.
Look at my post in this thread:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37259-Map-of-Indo-European-Languages-(by-Phonology)/page2
There are many archaeological evidences which show there was a migration from the west of Iran (modern Luristan) to the north of Europe in the late Nordic Bronze Age (between 800 BC and 500 BC), just look at the works of Scandinavian archaeologists, for example look at the English summary of this book by Birger Nerman:
The Late Bronze Age:
http://samla.raa.se/xmlui/handle/raa/1709
"During the late Bronze Age a fairly rapid development takes place, both quantitatively and qualitatively, in the Mälar-Hjälmar district and in Gotland; the finds are still most numerous, however, in the soutliernmost parts of the Scandinavian cultural area. Each of the first-mentioned localities creates its own special types, but at the same time there is evidence of a combined Central Sweden-Gotland cultural area. ... Influences are observable from Luristan in west Persia, e. g. the bronze bowl in Fig. 21 from Västmanland from per. 5 (cf. Fig. 22)."
You can read more about it in the works of Dr. T. J. Arne who says this large amount of influences is impossible without a migration from Luristan:
http://samla.raa.se/xmlui/handle/raa/1044
These similarties have been mentioned by several other archaeologists and artists too, for example English artist Lawrence Gowing in
A History of art, says "In Sweden and Denmark human and animal figures appear as knife-handles and heads of pins, or as scepter-ornaments, some of them having an odd likeness to the bronzes from Luristan (Persia)".
As you read in Iranica:
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/sweden-iii-swedish-archeological-missions-to-iran "
The Luristan Bronze In Sweden there was an early debate on the similarity of bronzes or perhaps even direct contact between Scandinavia and Iran."