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    It's claimed that the Welsh dragon of their flag was adopted from Dacian or Alan troops in Britain in Roman times. However, both the Dacian design and horned dragons were Babylonian , derived from Sumer.

    "The religious association of the dragon with the wolf or the lion is first found around the year 1120BC, on a stela of Nebuchadnezzar I, where an exact representation of the symbol of the Dacian dragon is found in the fourth quarter."


    "The ram-horned serpent is a well-attested cult image of north-west Europe before and during the Roman period. It appears three times on the Gundestrup cauldron, and in Romano-Celtic Gaul was closely associated with the horned or antlered god Cernunnos, in whose company it is regularly depicted. This pairing is found as early as the fourth century BC in Northern Italy, where a huge antlered figure with torcs and a serpent was carved on the rocks in Val Camonica. A bronze image at Étang-sur-Arroux and a stone sculpture at Sommerécourt depict Cernunnos' body encircled by two horned snakes that feed from bowls of fruit and corn-mash in the god's lap. Also at Sommerécourt is a sculpture of a goddess holding a cornucopia and a pomegranate, with a horned serpent eating from a bowl of food. At Yzeures-sur-Creuse a carved youth has a ram-horned snake twined around his legs, with its head at his stomach. At Cirencester, Gloucestershire, Cernunnos' legs are two snakes which rear up on each side of his head and are eating fruit or corn. "

    The Lypiatt snake in Gloucestershire is carved around a cylindrical post. These are clearly not Dacian flags. Evidently the tradition arrived with Indo-European languages , probably carried along the Danube , the danu "bountiful giver". The German Oak of Donar has features of Yggdrasil tree of Nidhoggr and British temples likely had snake-heads as Norse temples did.

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    The Babylonian serpents on door-pillars were borrowed in the East. "In sixth-century Babylon a pair of bronze serpents flanked each of the four doorways of the temple of Esagila of Marduk.. North of the Esagila was the Etemenanki, the 'Foundation of heaven on earth', better known to us as the 'tower of Babel' ".

    The Suhurmash goat-fish , Capricorn, of Babylon became Hindi magar machch crocodile-fish, Capricorn, Makara.
    Bab. mash "fish" . Sanskrit maccha "fish". It became China's Mójiézuò lóng zhù, Makara dragon pillar of the heavens in the Temple of Good Harvests with crocodile water-spouts. The emperor of China as Son of Heaven had a ceremony at mid-winter for good crops.

    In Nepal "as guardian of gateways, the makara (crocodile beast) image appears on the curved prongs of the vast crossed-vajra ..supports the whole structure of the mandala palace symbolizing the immovable stability of the vajra-ground on which it stands."

    Native Tribes of South-East Australia. Howitt. 826,827. "This legend professes to account for the origin of the fossilised marsupials and other creatures which are found in several places in the Lake Eyre district, South Australia, and also for that of the mound springs which are so marked a feature of that part of Australia. These fossils are called by the tribes-people Kadimarkara, creatures which in the Mura-mura times descended from the sky-country to the earth, by means of great trees which grew on the eastern shores of Lake Eyre, and supported the sky. "
    "..the Dieri perform magical ceremonies for the multiplication of their totemic animals, no doubt with the intention of thereby increasing the food-supply of the tribe... To judge from the description of him, he seems to be one of those fossil beasts or reptiles which are found in the deltas of rivers flowing into Lake Eyre. Such fossil bones are called kadimarkara by the Dieri." (JG Frazer - 1911).

    South Australia Museum.
    A German missionary Rev. Johann Reuther sold the fossil tree to the museum in 1907. It was (at) Lake Eyre, Aboriginal people in the area believed it was the body of a Dreaming Ancestor called Kadimarkara .

    Skt makara is the cosmic crocodile beast on temple pillars and on temple water spouts in India, Indonesia , SE Asia and China. (Skt. kadhi "ocean" . Old Java kadiwas "ocean fish". So, kadimakara "salt water crocodile"? ).

    When the sky-trees fell , the kadimakara were confined to the earth.
    "There is a comparable story ( sky falling) told in the early days of the Port Phillip settlement ( Melbourne, Australia) ... This man was responsible for ensuring the sky was lifted above the sun so that it could ... He needed axes to cut an unbelievable number of poles to hold up the sky ".(Pascoe 2007).

    "As a final point, it is worth noting that the ‘falling sky’ incident has been interpreted by some scholars as evidence for the rapid breakdown of Aboriginal cosmic order in the face of the European invasion: The inference was clear: the eastern support had given way and the sky had fallen down. Now as a result, the ghosts or reincarnations of all the blackfellows who ever lived [Europeans] had broken through from the spirit world to swarm over the land (Willey 1979, 55; see also Maddock 1972, 108; cf. Sharp 1952). An alternative interpretation, however, seen in light of the evidence for greenstone axe distribution in southeastern Australia, is that cosmological catastrophes of this nature may have long preceded European contact, due to the embeddedness of technological concerns in the belief systems of Aboriginal people." (Brumm 2010). These cosmic axes were traded out to Lake Eyre.

    The sky man of the southeast Australia was " their aged ngurungaeta, Kallakallap (Howitt 1904, 718; Smyth 1878)." Today, ngurungaeta are songmakers , Skt. , Old Java negarane gita "song of city/ country".
    Kallakallap may be as in Epigraphia Indica, Vol XXII at a Buddhist temple of a Kadaram king (Malaysia) c.1006 . Sanskrit Section line 73 kala kalapa "the collection of all sciences."
    "Collected Writings on Indian Music" by Dr. V. Raghavan is a three volume work running to over a thousand pages. Sri Kanchi Acharya temple , Tamil Nadu, conferred the title Sakala Kala Kalapa for versatility."

    Then the Spanish Celtic vase with pillars and horned serpents has a connection with many places. "A painted vase from Arcobriga, of difficult interpretation, shows a 'tree-man' , as well as roosters and horned serpents (Marco Simón 1993a). "

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