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    Question Really Surprising Eurogenes K13 Admixture Results

    Hello!

    I am currently trying to figure out my heritage, as I am an adoptee and don't really know anything concerning where my biological family comes from. Using the Eurogenes Admixture calculator on GEDMatch makes matters even more confusing for me, and I am currently not sure what to make of these results! It's displaying Asian populations and has me wondering if I am actually of part-Asian descent or if I should simply be using a different admixture calculator. After all, the distance is above 4. Please let me know what you think. :)

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 4.04
    2 94.1% Southwest_English + 5.9% Bangladeshi @ 4.14
    3 94.8% Southwest_English + 5.2% Chenchu @ 4.16
    4 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Dusadh @ 4.22
    5 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Velamas @ 4.23
    6 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Kurumba @ 4.23
    7 95.2% Southwest_English + 4.8% Sakilli @ 4.25
    8 95.1% Southwest_English + 4.9% Piramalai @ 4.26
    9 94.8% Southwest_English + 5.2% Uttar_Pradesh @ 4.28
    10 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Kol @ 4.3
    11 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% Dharkar @ 4.32
    12 95.2% Southwest_English + 4.8% Chamar @ 4.32
    13 76.4% West_Scottish + 23.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.33
    14 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Kanjar @ 4.37
    15 94.2% Southwest_English + 5.8% Sindhi @ 4.37
    16 95.1% Southwest_English + 4.9% North_Kannadi @ 4.38
    17 94.4% Southwest_English + 5.6% Kshatriya @ 4.38
    18 74.6% West_Scottish + 25.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.39
    19 94.5% Southwest_English + 5.5% Gujarati @ 4.4
    20 94.1% Southwest_English + 5.9% Brahmin_UP @ 4.4

    For comparison, here's the results of another calculator (Dodecad K12b):
    1 86.9% Orcadian (HGDP) + 13.1% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.43
    2 87.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 12.5% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.44
    3 87.2% Irish (Dodecad) + 12.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.48
    4 87.8% Irish (Dodecad) + 12.2% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.51
    5 87.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 12.7% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.55
    6 86.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 13.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.55
    7 87.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 12.8% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.56
    8 87.5% Irish (Dodecad) + 12.5% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.6
    9 87% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 13% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.65
    10 88.6% Irish (Dodecad) + 11.4% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 2.69
    11 88.3% Irish (Dodecad) + 11.7% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.71
    12 88.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 11.4% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.73
    13 88.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 11.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.73
    14 88.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 11.6% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 2.74
    15 86.9% Orcadian (HGDP) + 13.1% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.74
    16 89.5% British (Dodecad) + 10.5% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.79
    17 87.2% Irish (Dodecad) + 12.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.79
    18 89.3% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 10.7% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 2.8
    19 88.9% Irish (Dodecad) + 11.1% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.81
    20 88.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 11.8% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.83

    And here's MDLP K23b, since a lot of people have told me it's a good all-around admixture calculator:
    1 86.2% Orcadian ( ) + 13.8% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.2
    2 85.6% Orcadian ( ) + 14.4% Kumyk ( ) @ 2.23
    3 84% Orcadian ( ) + 16% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 2.24
    4 86.3% Orcadian ( ) + 13.7% Chechen ( ) @ 2.29
    5 84.6% Orcadian ( ) + 15.4% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 2.3
    6 88.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 11.6% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.31
    7 90.1% Icelandic ( ) + 9.9% Armenian ( ) @ 2.32
    8 83.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 16.5% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 2.33
    9 87.9% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 12.1% Kumyk ( ) @ 2.33
    10 85.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 14.6% Turk ( ) @ 2.35
    11 90.3% Icelandic ( ) + 9.7% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 2.36
    12 84.4% Orcadian ( ) + 15.6% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 2.36
    13 86.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 13.3% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 2.36
    14 88.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 11.5% Chechen ( ) @ 2.37
    15 91.5% Icelandic ( ) + 8.5% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.37
    16 87.8% Norwegian_West ( ) + 12.2% Kurd ( ) @ 2.38
    17 88% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 12% Jew_Tat ( ) @ 2.39
    18 83.1% Orcadian ( ) + 16.9% Azeri ( ) @ 2.39
    19 89.2% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 10.8% Balkar ( ) @ 2.39
    20 82.8% Orcadian ( ) + 17.2% Turk ( ) @ 2.39

    I could be wrong, but I think that I can reasonably conclude that I am of Northern European and Asian descent, but I don't know which Asian, as all calculators return different Asian populations. Which one is most applicable to me? Thanks!

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    IMHO you should have a closer look at your genetic matches first (not on Gedmatch). What company did you use for testing?
    I would look for the ones without mixed heritage(usually most of non-American testees) and your common matches. Family names will be quite telling.
    Look for "4th cousins-distant cousins" (10cM-->0.13-0.14% and around) first. Then move to closer or more distant ones(non-Americans) and check whether they fall in a specific geographical region.

    here some charts with cM/relationship averages:
    https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/wp...ugust_2017.jpg
    https://i0.wp.com/thednageek.com/wp-...68%2C617&ssl=1

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    It also could be Middle Eastern. My MDLP K23b for 88% NW European, 11.5% Sicilian, and 0.5% Native American is as follows:

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Belgian ( ) 2.87
    2 English ( ) 2.97
    3 Frisian ( ) 3.42
    4 Irish ( ) 3.52
    5 Dutch ( ) 4.1
    6 North_European ( ) 4.61
    7 South_German ( ) 5.53
    8 Norwegian_East ( ) 5.57
    9 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 5.64
    10 North_German ( ) 5.84
    11 Dane ( ) 6.24
    12 Swede ( ) 6.38
    13 German-Volga ( ) 6.45
    14 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 6.46
    15 CEU ( ) 6.93
    16 Welsh ( ) 7.47
    17 British ( ) 7.64
    18 Norwegian_West ( ) 8.27
    19 Icelandic ( ) 9.31
    20 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 9.8

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 78.3% Dutch ( ) + 21.7% Portugese ( ) @ 1.04
    2 96.3% Frisian ( ) + 3.7% Mozabite ( ) @ 1.23
    3 93.1% Frisian ( ) + 6.9% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 1.29
    4 95.2% Frisian ( ) + 4.8% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 1.33
    5 93.5% Frisian ( ) + 6.5% Algerian ( ) @ 1.42
    6 95.6% Frisian ( ) + 4.4% Saharawi ( ) @ 1.45
    7 84.3% Dutch ( ) + 15.7% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 1.46
    8 94.6% Frisian ( ) + 5.4% Morocco_South ( ) @ 1.5
    9 93.3% Frisian ( ) + 6.7% Tunisian ( ) @ 1.54
    10 84.6% Dutch ( ) + 15.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 1.55
    11 84.4% Dutch ( ) + 15.6% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 1.56
    12 94.4% Frisian ( ) + 5.6% Moroccan ( ) @ 1.57
    13 83.3% Dutch ( ) + 16.7% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 1.6
    14 82.5% Dutch ( ) + 17.5% Spaniard ( ) @ 1.65
    15 83.7% Dutch ( ) + 16.3% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 1.65
    16 85.7% Dutch ( ) + 14.3% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 1.65
    17 88.3% North_European ( ) + 11.7% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) @ 1.66
    18 95.1% North_European ( ) + 4.9% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.68
    19 84.1% Dutch ( ) + 15.9% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 1.71
    20 91.3% English ( ) + 8.7% Maltese ( ) @ 1.71
    (I chose the K23b because it gives me interesting matches like yours)

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    No....it just means that you are slightly more southern than the average NWE.

    Also, without the Geographic breakdown it is impossible to tell with just Population approximations.

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