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    The population history of northeastern Siberia since the pleistocene

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...TB6cqdctlcRy7o

    Northeastern Siberia has been inhabited by humans for more than 40,000 years but its deep population history remains poorly understood. Here we investigate the late Pleistocene population history of northeastern Siberia through analyses of 34 newly recovered ancient genomes that date to between 31,000 and 600 years ago. We document complex population dynamics during this period, including at least three major migration events: an initial peopling by a previously unknown Palaeolithic population of ‘Ancient North Siberians’ who are distantly related to early West Eurasian hunter-gatherers; the arrival of East Asian-related peoples, which gave rise to ‘Ancient Palaeo-Siberians’ who are closely related to contemporary communities from far-northeastern Siberia (such as the Koryaks), as well as Native Americans; and a Holocene migration of other East Asian-related peoples, who we name ‘Neo-Siberians’, and from whom many contemporary Siberians are descended. Each of these population expansions largely replaced the earlier inhabitants, and ultimately generated the mosaic genetic make-up of contemporary peoples who inhabit a vast area across northern Eurasia and the Americas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...TB6cqdctlcRy7o

    Northeastern Siberia has been inhabited by humans for more than 40,000 years but its deep population history remains poorly understood. Here we investigate the late Pleistocene population history of northeastern Siberia through analyses of 34 newly recovered ancient genomes that date to between 31,000 and 600 years ago. We document complex population dynamics during this period, including at least three major migration events: an initial peopling by a previously unknown Palaeolithic population of ‘Ancient North Siberians’ who are distantly related to early West Eurasian hunter-gatherers; the arrival of East Asian-related peoples, which gave rise to ‘Ancient Palaeo-Siberians’ who are closely related to contemporary communities from far-northeastern Siberia (such as the Koryaks), as well as Native Americans; and a Holocene migration of other East Asian-related peoples, who we name ‘Neo-Siberians’, and from whom many contemporary Siberians are descended. Each of these population expansions largely replaced the earlier inhabitants, and ultimately generated the mosaic genetic make-up of contemporary peoples who inhabit a vast area across northern Eurasia and the Americas.

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    Wait, is this different from the Yana samples? New data?

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    Eastern European-like Aleutians? Amerindian-like French?

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    Quote Originally Posted by holderlin View Post
    Wait, is this different from the Yana samples? New data?
    I think this is just the final published version of the paper posted as a pre-print last October.

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    I notice that UshtIshim has swithced place in the pedigree.
    He is depicted as P* instead of NO*.
    P was a wanderer. Some ended up in Sundaland, others in Siberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...TB6cqdctlcRy7o

    Northeastern Siberia has been inhabited by humans for more than 40,000 years but its deep population history remains poorly understood. Here we investigate the late Pleistocene population history of northeastern Siberia through analyses of 34 newly recovered ancient genomes that date to between 31,000 and 600 years ago. We document complex population dynamics during this period, including at least three major migration events: an initial peopling by a previously unknown Palaeolithic population of ‘Ancient North Siberians’ who are distantly related to early West Eurasian hunter-gatherers; the arrival of East Asian-related peoples, which gave rise to ‘Ancient Palaeo-Siberians’ who are closely related to contemporary communities from far-northeastern Siberia (such as the Koryaks), as well as Native Americans; and a Holocene migration of other East Asian-related peoples, who we name ‘Neo-Siberians’, and from whom many contemporary Siberians are descended. Each of these population expansions largely replaced the earlier inhabitants, and ultimately generated the mosaic genetic make-up of contemporary peoples who inhabit a vast area across northern Eurasia and the Americas.

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    This makes a huge difference to Karafet 2014/2015 paper the P haplogroup began in SE-Asia ..................it now seems Siberia is the origin

    with the huge amount of P and pre-P sample markers found .....................we know P haplogroup belongs to K2 group and K1 is associated via K haplogroup

    So Malta boy came from the north and not from the south

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...he_Pleistocene

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    I notice that UshtIshim has swithced place in the pedigree.
    He is depicted as P* instead of NO*.
    P was a wanderer. Some ended up in Sundaland, others in Siberia.
    Ust-Ishim man is about 45000years old , the oldest find of a modern man , he and his group must have had traveled to Ust-ishim , and settled there , maybe following the migration of big games .

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    migration to the west 

    according to the article , the northeast Siberians and the Western European Hunter and Gatherer are distantly and deeply related , this means migration over great distance from the east to the west , and how this migration or waves of migration negotiate all the geological obstacles and how long it is to have taken them to complete this 'long march ', and what would motivate their decision to leave , and how they can find their directions ?
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    https://genome.cshlp.org/content/27/1/1
    Siberia and Northwestern Russia are home to over 40 culturally and linguistically diverse indigenous ethnic groups, yet genetic variation and histories of peoples from this region are largely uncharacterized. We present deep whole-genome sequencing data (∼38×) from 28 individuals belonging to 14 distinct indigenous populations from that region. We combined these data sets with additional 32 modern-day and 46 ancient human genomes to reconstruct genetic histories of several indigenous Northern Eurasian populations. We found that Siberian and East Asian populations shared 38% of their ancestry with a 45,000-yr-old Ust’-Ishim individual who was previously believed to have no modern-day descendants. Western Siberians trace 57% of their ancestry to ancient North Eurasians, represented by the 24,000-yr-old Siberian Mal'ta boy MA-1. Eastern Siberian populations formed a distinct sublineage that separated from other East Asian populations ∼10,000 yr ago. In addition, we uncovered admixtures between Siberians and Eastern European hunter-gatherers from Samara, Karelia, Hungary, and Sweden (from 8000–6600 yr ago); Yamnaya people (5300–4700 yr ago); and modern-day Northeastern Europeans. Our results provide new insights into genetic histories of Siberian and Northeastern European populations and evidence of ancient gene flow from Siberia into Europe.

    the 'geological complex '--Siberia , covers a large area in Eurasia , it has the east part , the middle(center)part, the south part , and the west part. from the east end in northeast Eurasia , which includes part of China, to the west end in Westnorthern Russia ,the area has been a big belt ,linking the migrating populations since at least 45000 years . not including the traces that are lost to history .

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    The Complex Admixture History and Recent Southern Originsof Siberian Populations

    Abstract by Irina Pugach,*:


    Although Siberia was inhabited by modern humans at an early stage, there is still debate over whether it remained habitable during the extreme cold of the Last Glacial Maximum or whether it was subsequently repopulated by peoples with recent shared ancestry. Previous studies of the genetic history of Siberian populations were hampered by the extensive admixture that appears to have taken place among these populations, because commonly used methods assume a tree-like population history and at most single admixture events. Here we analyze geogenetic maps and use other approaches to distinguish the effects of shared ancestry from prehistoric migrations and contact, and develop a new method based on the covariance of ancestry components, to investigate the potentially complex admixture history. We furthermore adapt a previously devised method of admixture dating for use with multiple events of gene flow, and apply these methods to whole-genome genotype data from over 500 individuals belonging to 20 different Siberian ethnolinguistic groups. The results of these analyses indicate that there have been multiple layers of admixture detectable in most of the Siberian populations, with considerable differences in the admixture histories of individual populations. Furthermore, most of the populations of Siberia included here, even those settled far to the north, appear to have a southern origin, with the northward expansions of different populations possibly being driven partly by the advent of pastoralism, especially reindeer domestication. These newly developed methods to analyze multiple admixture events should aid in the investigation of similarly complex population histories elsewhere.


    The archaeological record attests to the ancient settlement of Siberia by modern humans. In particular, in the Altai-Sayan Mountains and the Lake Baikal region of South Siberia there is ample evidence of a long history of human occupation that highlights the important role South Siberia has played as a gateway into northeastern Asia and the New World. Anatomically modern humans were present in western and southern Siberia from as early as 46 kya (Derevianko et al. 2000; Vasil’ev et al. 2002; Derevianko et al. 2005; Fu et al. 2014). In the Altai region they seem to have overlapped in time and might have coexisted with Neanderthals (Krause et al. 2007; Pru¨fer et al. 2014) and Denisovans (Krause et al. 2010; Reich et al. 2010). The expansion of humans north was also rapid,


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    great siberia 

    The first principal axis (PC) is driven by differences between Europe and Asia, while the second PC differentiates the northeastern most populations of the Russian Far East(Chukchi, Koryaks, and Naukan Yupik) and the Inuit of Greenland . Although some populations fall where expected geographically and/or linguistically, in several casesthe localization of populations in the PC space is unexpected given their present-day area of settlement or their linguistic affiliation. Thus, the Mongolic populations (color coded inred) fall close to Han Chinese and Japanese, except for theBuryats, who show closer affinities to the Turkic-speaking groups (color coded in blue) than to other Mongolian populations. The Turkic-speaking groups of South Siberia(Altaians and Tuvans) and of Central and Northern Siberia(Yakuts and Dolgans, respectively) fall close together in thePC space, despite the large geographic distances that separate these populations. The Tungusic-speaking Evens and Evenks(color coded in dark green), which were sampled all across central and eastern Siberia, cluster together and overlap witheach other in the PC space. In contrast, the Oroqen, an ethnic minority group in northern China who are linguistically closely related to the Evenks (Whaley et al. 1999), form a cline between the Tungusic peoples of Siberia and Han Chinese together with the other Tungusic-speaking minorities of northern China (Hezhen and Xibo; color coded in light green).The Samoyedic-speaking Nganasan, who live on the Taimyr Peninsula in north Siberia , fall closer to the Evens and Evenks than to their linguistic relatives. (Pugach et al. . doi:10.1093/molbev/msw055 MBE)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    I notice that UshtIshim has swithced place in the pedigree.
    He is depicted as P* instead of NO*.
    P was a wanderer. Some ended up in Sundaland, others in Siberia.
    P was a wanderer , it divided into two groups , one ended up in the south of east Asia, the other ended up in Siberia ,so the link of these two should be some where in East Asia land route that the group took to arrive in Siberia . The book [shanhaijing ]tentatively translated as 'the book of mountains and seas '【山海经】 has documented the spread of ancient tribes from the south all the way up to north, the tip of the northeast China , which is the furtherest part of a possible travel route from the south . Also ,the ancient tribes went from Shanxi(山西汾河)the Fen river mouth area to go to north . This area of Shanxi (山西)provide an ancient corridor for the tribes going north and south . In the book of Mountains and Seas (山海经) there are 5 volumns devoting to the northern part of ancient Huaxia (古华夏)。 1. 北山经(c hapter Northern Mountains )2. 海外北经(chapter of Nearer northern area ),3,海内北经(chapter of further Northern area , 4, 大荒北经(chapter of wild northern area), 5,海内经。(chapter of lands within the four seas ) names for the chapters are my own translation , not to be used without caution .

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    Quote Originally Posted by xiaodragon View Post
    P was a wanderer , it divided into two groups , one ended up in the south of east Asia, the other ended up in Siberia ,so the link of these two should be some where in East Asia land route that the group took to arrive in Siberia . The book [shanhaijing ]tentatively translated as 'the book of mountains and seas '【山海经】 has documented the spread of ancient tribes from the south all the way up to north, the tip of the northeast China , which is the furtherest part of a possible travel route from the south . Also ,the ancient tribes went from Shanxi(山西汾河)the Fen river mouth area to go to north . This area of Shanxi (山西)provide an ancient corridor for the tribes going north and south . In the book of Mountains and Seas (山海经) there are 5 volumns devoting to the northern part of ancient Huaxia (古华夏)。 1. 北山经(c hapter Northern Mountains )2. 海外北经(chapter of Nearer northern area ),3,海内北经(chapter of further Northern area , 4, 大荒北经(chapter of wild northern area), 5,海内经。(chapter of lands within the four seas ) names for the chapters are my own translation , not to be used without caution .
    I fancy first a K* split and short after a P* split in northern India, one branch east into Sundaland, another northwest over the Hindu Kush and along the mountain desert frontier toward the Altai Mts and into Siberia.
    Archeology has given plenty of proof the corridor from the Hindu Kush and along the mountain desert frontier toward the Altai was used frequently, not only by modern humans, also by Neanderthals before that.
    During LGM the Thar desert expanded all over northern India, the tribes that remained there got extinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    I fancy first a K* split and short after a P* split in northern India, one branch east into Sundaland, another northwest over the Hindu Kush and along the mountain desert frontier toward the Altai Mts and into Siberia.
    Archeology has given plenty of proof the corridor from the Hindu Kush and along the mountain desert frontier toward the Altai was used frequently, not only by modern humans, also by Neanderthals before that.
    During LGM the Thar desert expanded all over northern India, the tribes that remained there got extinct.
    Surely, seima turbino used the corridor to maybe steal tin technology from south east caspian and finally attack south india:

    1. Anthropomorph in 2000 BC Sanauli, IVC vs altai petroglyph
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....tai-petroglyph (post 2)

    2. sanauli comb vs seima turbino comb:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....417#post550417 (post 3598)

    okunevo symbol and kalash symbol:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....tai-petroglyph (post #10)

    3. okunevo third eye and modern indian third eye:

    antennae sword, copper hoard india vs seima turbino sword:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....troglyph/page2 (post 17)

    4. seima turbino sword in shimao pyramid in china bronze and mesoamerican type hindu pyramid

    5. mayan yoga and hindu yoga

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