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    Y dna of House of Plantagenet

    According to this ftdna page House of Plantagenet is R-BY45605.

    Hamelin (Plantagenet) DeWarenne. b 1124 d.1202 France R-BY45605

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1a-Z280>BY27799
    MtDNA haplogroup
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    Kit holder can write anything. I can write that I descend from Charles the Great and it will be visible at FTDNA.

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    it is True but ftdna can research it.

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    How could anyone still believe in this? The only way to find the haplogroup of the Plantagenets would be through exhumations of long dead Kings and that's not going to happen soon. Let us not not forget that there was a difference between the Dukes of Beaufort (R1b) and King Richard III (G).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venko2257 View Post
    How could anyone still believe in this? The only way to find the haplogroup of the Plantagenets would be through exhumations of long dead Kings and that's not going to happen soon. Let us not not forget that there was a difference between the Dukes of Beaufort (R1b) and King Richard III (G).
    Exactly right.

    Are Geoffrey of Anjou's bones still around?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Exactly right.

    Are Geoffrey of Anjou's bones still around?
    I don't know if that was aimed at me, but I'll give it a go.

    Wikipedia says that Geoffrey of Plantagenet was laid to rest in Le Mans cathedral following his death in 1151. There is no indication of his remains having ever been desecrated, unlike those in Saint-Denis. Of course, imagine if he were to be tested and it turns out that he was E or something

    P. S. Something just occured to me. Remember how the Bourbons were thought to be G, until the living ones were tested and they were R1b? It's almost the same with the Plantagenets: Richard III was G, but almost all of the living ones are R1b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venko2257 View Post
    I don't know if that was aimed at me, but I'll give it a go.
    Wikipedia says that Geoffrey of Plantagenet was laid to rest in Le Mans cathedral following his death in 1151. There is no indication of his remains having ever been desecrated, unlike those in Saint-Denis. Of course, imagine if he were to be tested and it turns out that he was E or something
    P. S. Something just occured to me. Remember how the Bourbons were thought to be G, until the living ones were tested and they were R1b? It's almost the same with the Plantagenets: Richard III was G, but almost all of the living ones are R1b.
    Somebody got some 'splainin to do!

    It'd be nice to get some sort of comprehensive analysis on some Plantagenets/Angevins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venko2257 View Post
    I don't know if that was aimed at me, but I'll give it a go.

    Wikipedia says that Geoffrey of Plantagenet was laid to rest in Le Mans cathedral following his death in 1151. There is no indication of his remains having ever been desecrated, unlike those in Saint-Denis. Of course, imagine if he were to be tested and it turns out that he was E or something

    P. S. Something just occured to me. Remember how the Bourbons were thought to be G, until the living ones were tested and they were R1b? It's almost the same with the Plantagenets: Richard III was G, but almost all of the living ones are R1b.
    At least, we'd know the y line at the "origin" for English dynastic purposes and the y of King Richard and King John.

    On the other hand, knowing Eleanor's reputation and her penchant for vengeance against her husband, who knows?

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    Perhaps it would be best to give a relatively brief overview of the House of Plantagenet. It came to rule the Kingdom of England towards the end of 1154 due to the following reasons:

    1) King Henry I of England (r. 1100 - 1135) had had a lot of illegitimate children, but from his legitimate ones, only Matilda and William survived into adulthood. As the latter predeceased his father (without leaving any issue), the King made his barons accept Matilda as his eventual successor. This they did, but once he was out of the picture, they proclaimed his nephew, Stephen, to be their new ruler.
    2) In 1128, Matilda married Geoffrey, Count of Anjou, a member of what we now call the House of Plantagenet.
    3) Before his death in 1154, King Stephen had decided to be succeeded by Matilda's son, Henry.

    So we have:
    1. King Henry II (r. 1154 - 1189). His wife was Eleanor of Aquitaine, who gave birth to his successor...
    2. King Richard I (r. 1189 - 1199). His wife, Berengaria of Navarre, did not bear him any issue. Due to the fact that the laws of succession had not been set in stone yet, he was succeeded not by his nephew Arthur I, Duke of Brittany, but by his brother...
    3. King John (r. 1199 - 1216). His wife, Isabella of Angouleme, gave birth to his successor...
    4. King Henry III (r. 1216 - 1272). His wife, Eleanor of Provence, gave birth to his successor...
    5. King Edward I (r. 1272 - 1307). His wife, Eleanor of Castile, gave birth to his successor...
    6. King Edward II (r. 1307 - 1327). His wife, Isabella of France, gave birth to his successor...
    7. King Edward III (r. 1327 - 1377). His eldest son, Edward, the Black Prince, had predeceased him, so he was succeeded by his grandson...
    8. King Richard II (r. 1377 - 1399). He did not have any issue and was made to abdicate in favour of his cousin from the House of Lancaster (agnatic primogeniture)...
    9. King Henry IV (r. 1399 - 1413). His wife, Mary de Bohun, gave birth to his successor...
    10. King Henry V (r. 1413 - 1422). His wife, Catherine of Valois, gave birth to his successor...
    11. King Henry VI (r. 1422 - 1461 and 1470 - 1471). He was deposed (twice) by his third cousin (agnatically) from the House of York...
    12. King Edward IV (r. 1461 - 1470 and 1471 - 1483). His wife, Elizabeth Woodville, gave birth to his successor...
    13. King Edward V (r. 1483). He and his siblings were all declared illegitimate by his paternal uncle who replaced him as...
    14. King Richard III (r. 1483 - 1485). He was defeated by Henry Tudor at the Battle of Bosworth Field, thus putting an end to the rule of the House of Plantagenet.

    Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick, was the last legitimate male of the House of Plantagenet (York). He was executed on the orders of King Henry VII in 1499. His elder sister, Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury, shared his fate in 1541, thanks to her first cousin-once-removed, King Henry VIII.
    Last edited by Venko2257; 09-06-19 at 20:59.

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