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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip View Post
    My best fit for modern Iranians (in the absence of Saka data) is some Sintashta admixture (say 10%) with a little Srubnaya. Rather than the steppic input to Iran being Scythian, I suspect it represented mainly people retreating from the Easterners, rather than the Scythian product of admixture with them.

    Having said that, Iran is a large and genetically diverse place, and ancestral mixes are likely to differ substantially across its range.
    I agree about Iran being genetically diverse place and East Eurasian levels and steppe levels will vary from ethnic group to ethnic group and region to region .

    One thing we can be sure of is that modern Iranians in general do have substantially higher east Eurasian levels compared to Chalcolithic Iranians. This is regardless of whether we use dstats, f3s, qpAdm, or even properly designed very low K ADMIXTURE run.

    The only uncertainty is how and when they acquired this east Asian admixture. Possibilities include Turkics and Iron Age Steppe nomads. Not sure what the east Asian levels would have been for Parthians .

    The confounding issue is that for most Iranians and Kurds I’ve looked at, the East Eurasian appears to be of a SE Asian nature, and as we know AASI has a ton of SE Asian alleles. Thus much of The east Eurasian shown by the dstats and other methods could be AASI related.

    Then again some Iranians and Kurds have more of the northeast Asian variety than the southeast Asian variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghani View Post
    One thing we can be sure of is that modern Iranians in general do have substantially higher east Eurasian levels compared to Chalcolithic Iranians. This is regardless of whether we use dstats, f3s, qpAdm, or even properly designed very low K ADMIXTURE run.

    The only uncertainty is how and when they acquired this east Asian admixture. Possibilities include Turkics and Iron Age Steppe nomads. Not sure what the east Asian levels would have been for Parthians .
    Do you know how much east asian admixture yazidis people has?

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...in_2017_18.jpg

    east asian admixture in anatolia:

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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    Do you know how much east asian admixture yazidis people has?

    Not sure, but I'm a project member of EurasianDNA, and they had mentioned to me that using their new SAPDA software that they have recently developed, the total E Eurasian admixture acquired from all ancestral sources for Iranians and Kurds (population averages) was about 11%, and for Zoroastrian Iranians was about 7%. So I would imagine Yazidis would be close to Zorastrian numbers.

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    Etymology of word Zoroaster, Zarethushtrah anyone?

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    I know its current etymology yet could it be from Zaret=Fair+hushtra=Wise, Wisdom. From Persian Hoosh+dar

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    E1b1b1c1 was also found among Azeri 9.5% and kurds 13 % from the same research , it surley had a strong presence in northwest iran 😎

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    E1b1b1c1 was also found among Azeri 9.5% and kurds 13 % from the same research , it surley had a strong presence in northwest iran ������
    Just like in Europe E1b1b1 is founding lineages in Middle East too yet with different subclades.

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    Yes in Europe it is E-v13
    in middle east it is mainly e1b1b1c1-m34 and e- v22 clades
    Out of the 30% e1b1b1 they found in Tehran Zoroastrian in this study actuley are:
    15% is e-v22
    , 7% is e1b1b1c1 -m34
    7% is e-m78 (×v22,v13,v12)

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    Zoroastrians of Tehran are most definitely a tiny minority of the population that in the last centuries could only maintain their particular religion by becoming increasingly endogamous. In such a situation it is no wonder that the already unsurprising and often intense effects of genetic drift of Y-DNA lineages will become even a lot more accelerated and pronounced, so that an originally minor lineage can increase steeply in frequency or a major lineage may decrease astoundingly in frequency by completely randomic processes, given that the present population derives from a small group of particularly resistant people, and within this small community some lineages might have been much more successful than others. That happens all the time in Y-DNA haplogroups, especially among small minority groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    No idea but rest assured Zoroastrianism spread with Eastern Iranian R1a
    What if Zoroastrianism started as a BMAC reaction to Andronovo migrations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleph View Post
    What if Zoroastrianism started as a BMAC reaction to Andronovo migrations?
    could be i like your direction of thinking :)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactri...ogical_Complex



    1. I4156 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan G

    2. I4899 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan J

    3. I4157 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan J2a

    4. I4159 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan J2a1

    5. I5604 1880-1697 calBCE (3465±20 BP, PSUAMS-2774) BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan L1a

    6. I4315 1609-1465 calBCE (3255±15 BP, PSUAMS-2518) BMAC Dzharkutan Uzbekistan R1b1



    8. I2085 2011-1886 calBCE (3580±20 BP, PSUAMS-2313) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan E1b1b1

    9. I2128 2198-2036 calBCE (3720±20 BP, PSUAMS-2316) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan J

    10. I1784 2201-2031 calBCE (3720±30 BP, Poz-83485) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan J1

    11. I2087 2196-2034 calBCE (3715±20 BP, PSUAMS-2335) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan R

    12. I1781 2009-1772 calBCE (3550±30 BP, PSUAMS-2065) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan T

    13. I7420 2000-1600 BCE BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan G2a2a

    14. I7421 1931-1767 calBCE (3525±25 BP, PSUAMS-3120) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan J2a

    15. I7494 2010-1883 calBCE (3575±20 BP, PSUAMS-3230) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan J2a1

    16. I4285 1873-1661 calBCE (3430±25 BP, PSUAMS-2536) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan L1a

    17. I7419 1881-1701 calBCE (3475±20 BP, PSUAMS-3229) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan R2a

    18. I7492 1971-1782 calBCE (3560±20 BP, PSUAMS-3121) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan R2a

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    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/292581v1



    i see here r2a not r1a .....

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    Yes, I think there was some R2a in Iran neolithic remains and as far as the R1b is concerned, it could have come from interactions with Afanasievo/Okunevo people.

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