Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 94

Thread: Why Zoroastrians (Tehran) have no R1a?

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    2 out of 3 members found this post helpful.

    Why Zoroastrians (Tehran) have no R1a?

    As you probably know according to Avesta, Tehran (ancient Rhages) is the holiest Zoroastrian city and the most ancient Zoroastrian sites exist in this city, with no doubt Zoroastrians of Tehran are the oldest religious community of Iran, but why they have no R1a?


  2. #2
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    ToBeOrNotToBe's Avatar
    Join Date
    31-12-16
    Posts
    1,116


    Country: United Kingdom



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    No idea but rest assured Zoroastrianism spread with Eastern Iranian R1a

  3. #3
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points

    Join Date
    10-12-18
    Posts
    29
    Points
    762
    Level
    7
    Points: 762, Level: 7
    Level completed: 6%, Points required for next Level: 188
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Canada



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    No idea but rest assured Zoroastrianism spread with Eastern Iranian R1a
    What if Zoroastrianism started as a BMAC reaction to Andronovo migrations?

  4. #4
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    kingjohn's Avatar
    Join Date
    05-09-16
    Posts
    279
    Points
    5,604
    Level
    22
    Points: 5,604, Level: 22
    Level completed: 11%, Points required for next Level: 446
    Overall activity: 64.0%


    Country: Uruguay



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by aleph View Post
    What if Zoroastrianism started as a BMAC reaction to Andronovo migrations?
    could be i like your direction of thinking :)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactri...ogical_Complex



    1. I4156 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan G

    2. I4899 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan J

    3. I4157 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan J2a

    4. I4159 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan J2a1

    5. I5604 1880-1697 calBCE (3465±20 BP, PSUAMS-2774) BMAC Bustan Uzbekistan L1a

    6. I4315 1609-1465 calBCE (3255±15 BP, PSUAMS-2518) BMAC Dzharkutan Uzbekistan R1b1



    8. I2085 2011-1886 calBCE (3580±20 BP, PSUAMS-2313) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan E1b1b1

    9. I2128 2198-2036 calBCE (3720±20 BP, PSUAMS-2316) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan J

    10. I1784 2201-2031 calBCE (3720±30 BP, Poz-83485) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan J1

    11. I2087 2196-2034 calBCE (3715±20 BP, PSUAMS-2335) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan R

    12. I1781 2009-1772 calBCE (3550±30 BP, PSUAMS-2065) BMAC Gonur Turkmenistan T

    13. I7420 2000-1600 BCE BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan G2a2a

    14. I7421 1931-1767 calBCE (3525±25 BP, PSUAMS-3120) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan J2a

    15. I7494 2010-1883 calBCE (3575±20 BP, PSUAMS-3230) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan J2a1

    16. I4285 1873-1661 calBCE (3430±25 BP, PSUAMS-2536) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan L1a

    17. I7419 1881-1701 calBCE (3475±20 BP, PSUAMS-3229) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan R2a

    18. I7492 1971-1782 calBCE (3560±20 BP, PSUAMS-3121) BMAC Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan R2a

    source
    :
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/292581v1



    i see here r2a not r1a .....

  5. #5
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points

    Join Date
    10-12-18
    Posts
    29
    Points
    762
    Level
    7
    Points: 762, Level: 7
    Level completed: 6%, Points required for next Level: 188
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Canada



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Yes, I think there was some R2a in Iran neolithic remains and as far as the R1b is concerned, it could have come from interactions with Afanasievo/Okunevo people.

  6. #6
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    No idea but rest assured Zoroastrianism spread with Eastern Iranian R1a
    Indo-Iranian migration to Iran is just a myth, it has been also said that haplogroup R1b relates to Indo-Iranians but we see this haplogroup has the highest frequency among Assyrians in Tehran.


  7. #7
    Viscount Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    350
    Points
    8,267
    Level
    27
    Points: 8,267, Level: 27
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 483
    Overall activity: 2.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    Indo-Iranian migration to Iran is just a myth, it has been also said that haplogroup R1b relates to Indo-Iranians but we see this haplogroup has the highest frequency among Assyrians in Tehran.
    The oldest Sarmatians(fire) so far are R1b-Z2109(also found in Yamnaya- and Sintashta cultures.)Grugni 2012 R1b samples are unclear in the exact clade of R1b found in Zoastrian and Lurs.

    Be wary of those who graduate from the university of perversity & diversity by destroying and
    demonizing the past, underestimating the present, and glorifying the future.

  8. #8
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class1000 Experience Points3 months registered

    Join Date
    12-06-19
    Posts
    244
    Points
    1,233
    Level
    9
    Points: 1,233, Level: 9
    Level completed: 42%, Points required for next Level: 117
    Overall activity: 24.0%


    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    Indo-Iranian migration to Iran is just a myth, it has been also said that haplogroup R1b relates to Indo-Iranians but we see this haplogroup has the highest frequency among Assyrians in Tehran.

    How is Indo-Iranian migration to Iran a myth? Isn't it supported by the genetic and linguistic records?

  9. #9
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    Quote Originally Posted by tyuiopman
    How is Indo-Iranian migration to Iran a myth? Isn't it supported by the genetic and linguistic records?
    I don't see any genetic or linguistic evidence which supports it, if you know please tell me.

  10. #10
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class1000 Experience Points3 months registered

    Join Date
    12-06-19
    Posts
    244
    Points
    1,233
    Level
    9
    Points: 1,233, Level: 9
    Level completed: 42%, Points required for next Level: 117
    Overall activity: 24.0%


    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    I don't see any genetic or linguistic evidence which supports it, if you know please tell me.
    The entire migration of Indo-Aryans from the eastern Steppes. Shintashta and Andronovo. It's super widely accepted.

    I'm actually really curious what your alternate theories are though. I'd sincerely like to hear them!

  11. #11
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    Quote Originally Posted by tyuiopman
    The entire migration of Indo-Aryans from the eastern Steppes. Shintashta and Andronovo. It's super widely accepted.

    I'm actually really curious what your alternate theories are though. I'd sincerely like to hear them!
    I think you meant Indo-Iranians, Iranians are not an Indo-Aryan people.

    As I have said in some other threads in this forum, I believe the main Iranian people who migrated to Iran were Cimmerians (Persians) who came through the Caucasus and Anatolia in the 1st millennium BC. Their main haplogroups are J2 and R1b, other than Zoroastrians, we see Persians in Persia (modern Fars) have also a very low frequency of R1a (about 4%), whenas we know Persia was the center of Iranian culture in Iran.

    It is meaningless to say Afghans and Tajiks who adopted Persian culture are genetically Iranian but Persians in Persia are not!

  12. #12
    Elite member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    10-12-15
    Posts
    520
    Points
    6,247
    Level
    23
    Points: 6,247, Level: 23
    Level completed: 40%, Points required for next Level: 303
    Overall activity: 14.0%


    Country: Canada



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by tyuiopman View Post
    The entire migration of Indo-Aryans from the eastern Steppes. Shintashta and Andronovo. It's super widely accepted.

    I'm actually really curious what your alternate theories are though. I'd sincerely like to hear them!
    1. Can IE people from East europe reach to south India by relay-race migration?
    what did sintashta people do with worldly-praising chariot?

    see seima turbino territory which everybody knows. So every body think that ST were uralic.

    https://indo-european.eu/tag/seima-turbino/

    2. Problem is that is not enough. see what happened around 3.5ky ago:

    According to Grigoryev,
    [...settlements with round plan, ceramics with roller, bone plate armours, developed metallurgy and domesticanimals.During XVI-XV centuries artefacts closely related to Seyma tradition became typical for hoards in Pannonia, France and England. Thus, these bronzes distribution marks the moving of Celts.A new wave of newcomers left F’odorovo culture sites. Some include usually this culture, together withAlakul culture, in Andronovo culture.]


    From Seima-Turbino traditions in Northern France:



    there is, probably, one more testimony to the invasion of central europe by the seima-turbino peoples. on bronze age settlements in saxony, burials are known of skulls and pieces of bones showing signs of cannibalism. unfortunately, the publication does not define more exactly to which period these finds relate [grimm, 1997]. in particular, many simi-lar finds have been made in slovakia, on settlements of the veterov, madjarovce and otomani cultures.they are known on unětice settlements very rarely.often, traces of scraping and incisions are visible on bones, and the cooking of body parts is not ex-cluded. sometimes there are pieces of skull. a cer-emonial mask found on the nitriansky hrádok set-tlement, made from the front of a skull, is especiallyinteresting [furmanek, jakab, 1997]. it should be noted that the distribution here of bronzes of seima-turbino type is dated exactly to this time and found on settlements of this group. the connection of suchrituals with these cultural groups can be demon-strated also by an example from south-westernpoland, where, at the end of phase br a2, the nowagerekwia group occurs, whose formation is usuallyconnected with the abovementioned cultural devel-opments in slovakia. at this time both fortified set-tlements and burials on settlements appeared here.very often there are separate human bones, espe-cially skulls and pieces of skull. it was uncharacter-istic of unětice culture and is subsequently absentfrom trzciniec culture.
    https://www.academia.edu/3742220/Anc...nsk_Rifei_2002

    To china (PIE was in china bronze):



    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...64/core-reader

    abstract records on human sacrifice have been revealed by the oracle-bone inscriptions of shang dynasty. human sacrifices carry special symbolic significance in shang dynasty for worshipping spirits. different methods of killing were used in worship rituals. as the inscription reveals, some words are used as the methods of killing of human beings in general. in the meantime, some special characters are used to refer to specific killing methods through analysis of the characters and structures of the language. the lecture will focus on 12 different methods of killing human sacrifice. the methods include beheading, splitting the body into halves, dismembering bodies, beating to death, chopping to death, extracting blood, burying alive, drowning, burning to death, boiling, corpse displaying, exposing body part to hot sun. with the analysis of the different methods of human sacrifice, it is easy to conclude that human sacrifice was a very common religious practice in shang dynasty. these practices reflect the cruelty of the rulers to their subjects and their piety towards the spirits they worship.

    3. I think ST people were just like mongol, therefore, I think horse people in central asia started to butcher farming land since 3500 year ago.

    4. India was an exception?
    Surely ST culture seems to reach there in copper hoard culture in india.
    Andronovo never reached near India.
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....tai-petroglyph

    5. However, don't underestimate altai seima turbino people, who were pyramid people like mayan: That is why i think mesoamerican type pyramid is in india and china now.
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...and-poll/page2 (post #35)


    6. all steppe culture is related with vedic culture, b/c siberian shamanism entered India. That is b/c hindu civilization is extremely close to mayan civilization. European bloggers say that their people went to India, while indian bloggers ask why hindu culture is so close to mayan culture.

    Last edited by johen; 20-06-19 at 02:36.

  13. #13
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience PointsThree Friends
    spruithean's Avatar
    Join Date
    29-08-12
    Posts
    332
    Points
    9,000
    Level
    28
    Points: 9,000, Level: 28
    Level completed: 42%, Points required for next Level: 350
    Overall activity: 5.0%


    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Quote Originally Posted by tyuiopman View Post
    How is Indo-Iranian migration to Iran a myth? Isn't it supported by the genetic and linguistic records?
    From the latest genetic data (and linguistic records) it is supported. Some people however are contrarian and deny evidence if it doesn't fit their narrative.

  14. #14
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    17-03-16
    Posts
    526
    Points
    5,076
    Level
    21
    Points: 5,076, Level: 21
    Level completed: 6%, Points required for next Level: 474
    Overall activity: 30.0%


    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    Indo-Iranian migration to Iran is just a myth, it has been also said that haplogroup R1b relates to Indo-Iranians but we see this haplogroup has the highest frequency among Assyrians in Tehran.
    Yeah, I think we will find R1b-L23 among Elamites.

    Some say Elamite was equidistant between Afroasiatic and Dravidian. Both Ashur and Elam are sons of Shem in the Hebrew Bible.

    The migration is real in a way, imho, but the homeland, the timeframe, the routes etc. are all wrong.

  15. #15
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered
    Joey37's Avatar
    Join Date
    11-06-18
    Location
    Coventry, Rhode Island
    Posts
    330
    Points
    3,967
    Level
    18
    Points: 3,967, Level: 18
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 283
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1a-YP445
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J1c2b

    Ethnic group
    Celto-Germanic
    Country: USA - Rhode Island



    As R1b and E1b are not particularly common in Iran, I would guess it was some kind of founder effect/genetic bottleneck that resulted in these current haplogroup percentages. J2 is the only one I would have expected to be that frequency.

  16. #16
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    As R1b and E1b are not particularly common in Iran, I would guess it was some kind of founder effect/genetic bottleneck that resulted in these current haplogroup percentages. J2 is the only one I would have expected to be that frequency.
    It seems there is a big difference between what you expect and what the reality is, R1b has the highest frequency in Turkmenistan (northeast of Iran) and Armenia (northwest of Iran), I don't know why you didn't expect this frequency in Iran.

  17. #17
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    15-12-17
    Posts
    71
    Points
    1,429
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,429, Level: 10
    Level completed: 40%, Points required for next Level: 121
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Italy



    Why would they have Turkic Y-DNA? As the south central Asia paper has shown there was no R1a in Indo-Iranian territory until 500BC when the Turkic invasions begin.

    On the other hand aDNA on Turks/Huns that we have:
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...000000005&z=11
    DA89 R1a-M417
    DA86 Q-M25
    DA224 R1a-Z93
    DA29 R1a-Z280
    DA27 R1a-Z93
    DA385 R1a-Z2125
    DA101 R1a-Z93
    We also have leaked information that Khazars were R1a, so Turkic peoples in general derived from and were the same as Andronovo.

  18. #18
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered
    Joey37's Avatar
    Join Date
    11-06-18
    Location
    Coventry, Rhode Island
    Posts
    330
    Points
    3,967
    Level
    18
    Points: 3,967, Level: 18
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 283
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1a-YP445
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J1c2b

    Ethnic group
    Celto-Germanic
    Country: USA - Rhode Island



    Oh, yes, 9.5% of a haplogroup is an abundance. And I'm using data from this site. That is the same amount as the percentage of R1a in western Germany (where my male line comes from) and that is considered to be a small amount.

  19. #19
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    30-09-16
    Posts
    175
    Points
    4,834
    Level
    20
    Points: 4,834, Level: 20
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 216
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Canada



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    Zoroastrians of Tehran are the oldest religious community of Iran, but why they have no R1a?
    Because n=13? As you know the Yazd Zoroastrians (n=34) in the same study had 18% R1a.

  20. #20
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saetrus View Post
    Why would they have Turkic Y-DNA? As the south central Asia paper has shown there was no R1a in Indo-Iranian territory until 500BC when the Turkic invasions begin.
    On the other hand aDNA on Turks/Huns that we have:
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...000000005&z=11
    DA89 R1a-M417
    DA86 Q-M25
    DA224 R1a-Z93
    DA29 R1a-Z280
    DA27 R1a-Z93
    DA385 R1a-Z2125
    DA101 R1a-Z93
    We also have leaked information that Khazars were R1a, so Turkic peoples in general derived from and were the same as Andronovo.
    I also believe that Indo-Iranians were actually an Altaic people who adopted an Indo-European culture (Altaic substrate), of course first Uralic people created Satem language in the Corded Ware culture. Anyway Indo-Iranian phonology and sound changes clearly show Altaic influence. It is too soon for talking about Turks.

  21. #21
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    Oh, yes, 9.5% of a haplogroup is an abundance. And I'm using data from this site. That is the same amount as the percentage of R1a in western Germany (where my male line comes from) and that is considered to be a small amount.
    R1b just exists in the north and west of Iran, even in the west of Iran it has a very low frequency among Kurds, it also shows that it couldn't be Indo-Iranian haplogroup, as I said it also has a high frequency among Assyrians, Armenians and some other non-Iranian people in Iran.

  22. #22
    Viscount Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    350
    Points
    8,267
    Level
    27
    Points: 8,267, Level: 27
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 483
    Overall activity: 2.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    R1b just exists in the north and west of Iran, even in the west of Iran it has a very low frequency among Kurds, it also shows that it couldn't be Indo-Iranian haplogroup, as I said it also has a high frequency among Assyrians, Armenians and some other non-Iranian people in Iran.
    If you parse the data to the correct branch of R1b you can get a better idea. The most northerly Eastern Iranian speaking branch of R1b is Z2110+ found in modern day Alan-Ossettians. It is the only branch related to R1b-Z2109 found in -Yamnaya,Afansievo,Poltavka,Catacombe,Eastern Bell Beaker[Hungary],Sintashta,proto-Sarmatian [R-Y20993*=Sarmatian-id:YF03134 I0575,
    The Sarmatians differed from the Scythians in their veneration of the god of fire rather than god of nature
    .
    Modern day Alans R1b-Z2110+and Yamnaya- Catacombe /Sarmatian culture R1b-Z2109+. In same region as Eneolithic Progress samples R1b-V1636+


    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map.../44.181/45.174

    Language[edit]

    The language of the Catacomb culture must naturally remain unknown. Within the context of the Kurgan hypothesis expounded by Marija Gimbutas, an Indo-European component is speculated about, particularly in the later stages. Placing the ancestors of the Greek, Albanian and Armenian (perhaps Paleo-Balkan) dialects here is tempting, as it would neatly explain certain shared features.
    More recently, the Ukrainian archaeologist V. Kulbaka has argued that the Late Yamnaya cultures of c. 3200–2800 BC, esp. the Budzhak, Starosilsk, and Novotitarovka groups, might represent the Balkan-Indo-European-"Iranian" ancestors, and the Catacomb culture (to c. 2500 BC) that of the then still unified Indo-Iranians.[citation needed] However, according to recent glottochronological computations, these splits occurred much earlier.[citation needed]
    Grigoryev's (1998) version of the Armenian hypothesis connects Catacomb culture with Indo-Aryans, because catacomb burial ritual had roots in South-Western Turkmenistan from the early 4th millennium (Parkhai cemetery).[citation needed] The same opinion is supported by Leo Klejn in his various publications.[citation needed]


    http://homeland.ku.dk/
    Last edited by Silesian; 08-06-19 at 02:49.

  23. #23
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    Because n=13? As you know the Yazd Zoroastrians (n=34) in the same study had 18% R1a.
    Yazd dates back to the Sassanid era, in Avesta people of this region, the same as Persia and Media, were not considered as an Iranian people.

  24. #24
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    30-09-16
    Posts
    175
    Points
    4,834
    Level
    20
    Points: 4,834, Level: 20
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 216
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Canada



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    Yazd dates back to the Sassanid era, in Avesta people of this region, the same as Persia and Media, were not considered as an Iranian people.
    Yeah, I'm sure this modern sample of 13 is a great indication of the genetic profile of the Avestan period. I regret replying to you already, bye.

  25. #25
    Banned Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class3 months registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    09-10-18
    Posts
    545
    Points
    1,481
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,481, Level: 10
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 69
    Overall activity: 99.0%


    Country: Iran



    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    The oldest Sarmatians(fire) so far are R1b-Z2109(also found in Yamnaya- and Sintashta cultures.)Grugni 2012 R1b samples are unclear in the exact clade of R1b found in Zoastrian and Lurs.
    What do you mean by the oldest Sarmartians? Grugni talks about R1b-L23 and R1b-L151 (R1b1a2a1a) in Iran.

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •