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    Byzantine Emperors?

    do have any information haplogroup of byzantine emperors? it is interesting that.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Emperor

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capeti...e_of_Courtenay

    some latin emperors descended from courtenay family whose this family descended from capetian dynasty.

    peter II of courtenay (1216-1217)

    robert of courtenay (1221-1228)

    baldwin II of courtenay (1228-1271)

    have r1b-U106 Y dna.

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    many byzantine royal family have non greek origin. such as armenian, balkanian(illiyrian,thracian possibly vlach and other balkanic people.),anatolian(kommenian dynasty origin was kastamonu city of modern turkey in nort-western anatolia and roman diogenes is anatolian descended) and mesopotamian and arabic origin exist in some byzantine royal family.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikephoros_I

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staurakios

    nikephoros I and his son staurakion was of arabic origin. they have most probably J1-P58 or E-M123 Y dna.

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    Not one of the emperors was Greek. They had Greek names but were not Greek.

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    most anatolian greek is hellenized anatolian native people(hittites, paplagonians, luwians......) I think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Not one of the emperors was Greek. They had Greek names but were not Greek.
    Greeks had a lot to do with that empire! One reason Arvanites are in Greece today are Some of this Emperors. They wanted to supplement population lost in wars, or from epidemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    Greeks had a lot to do with that empire! One reason Arvanites are in Greece today are Some of this Emperors. They wanted to supplement population lost in wars, or from epidemies.
    Arvanites are a much later addition and were added by the Ottomans. Yes the language was Greek and the culture was Roman/Greek but the actual Byzantine/Christian empire was not very good for Greek culture. Christians under the protection of the emperors burned libraries, closed schools of philosophy, toppled sculptures, slaughtered Greeks that believed in the old Greek Gods, etc.
    A lot of the emperors were generals in the army or in the imperial guard that were elevated to the throne as a result of coups. There were a lot of infighting/civil wars just when the great population movements were happening. I am still amazed that it lasted for 1100 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Arvanites are a much later addition and were added by the Ottomans.
    That is hilarious.

    Even with so much free information online proving the opposite, there are still people trying to spread such lies.

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    Interesting indeed

    I agree that the most of origins of East Roman Emperrors had nothing to do with Greek
    But we have to see many things

    First the marriages of nobles
    even from the founder of Con/polis we see a marriage of a Roman with a Greek,
    which continues, Persians Iberians (caucasos) Armenians Syrrians Arabs etc
    till the Ottoman empire,
    the mother of Mohammet 2nd said was Greek
    and Sugleimans wife was Ruthinian etc

    Second the origins that claimed
    in the years of Christian tyrrany
    IT WAS DIFFICULT TO BE GREEK, CLAIM GREEK ANCESTRY AND BECOME KING
    Only Julian did such
    a good example is Pholkas who claimed ancestry from Roman family of Fabians as Attaleiates says

    SO EVEN IF SOMEONE WAS GREEK or HELLENISED
    WOULD NOT DARE TO CLAIM HELLENIC ANCESTRY
    DUE TO FEAR OF CHRISTIANS



    The ones were Called Illyrians were Flavians from Mapoli or Swiss
    The IBerians were probably from Georgia
    others from Syrria etc etc etc etc

    yet for some it is believed that were connected with Hellenic population
    for example the Amoricum origins ones
    the Makedonian dynasty ones (also might be Armani)

    But when Justinianus is in Italy Ravenna for Lagobards
    the West Roman scholars name his army and commanders as Greeks, which means exactly what might mean.


    @Bigsnake69
    true,
    the genocide of Greeks by Romans due to christians is a massive population destruction,
    Even Roman Families did not escape this massacres.
    Ροιδης gives about 19 million,and this not the only thing,
    also the destruction continues, the depopulation of Hellenic people and culture (both Hellenes and Hellenized)
    brought change of agriculture, the later plagues, the invasions etc etc.
    the last ones were the Cretans of Κλεαγετη at 961 BC



    YET
    I doupt if they give permission for genetical search
    but many Royalties 'bones' are in known places,
    For example only in monasteries in mt Athos are 2 as far as I know.



    Strange
    this is an Itallian actor


    His real name is
    Prinnce Antonio Focas Flavio Angelo Ducas Comneno De Curtis di Bisanzio Gagliardi!
    true ancestor or claimed nobility? from Phokas family?
    who knows,


    Also Huan de Fuca Vallerianos
    the Vancouver sea pioneer
    a Greek in Spain

    Etc Etc



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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Arvanites are a much later addition and were added by the Ottomans. Yes the language was Greek and the culture was Roman/Greek but the actual Byzantine/Christian empire was not very good for Greek culture. Christians under the protection of the emperors burned libraries, closed schools of philosophy, toppled sculptures, slaughtered Greeks that believed in the old Greek Gods, etc.
    A lot of the emperors were generals in the army or in the imperial guard that were elevated to the throne as a result of coups. There were a lot of infighting/civil wars just when the great population movements were happening. I am still amazed that it lasted for 1100 years.
    About Arvanites in Greece: The first one, according to documents arrived in Thessalia about year 1050. By 1350 there were many Arvanite colonies established in Peloponnesus, Attica and some other places. Arvanites resisted Turkish occupations in Peloponnesus longer than Greeks did, and when they lost, some of them arrived in South Italy. During the Ottoman years no Arvanites arrived in Greece with exception of Albanian mercenaries or drafted by force by Turks. Did they stay or leave its not quite clear. Roman Empire had a lot of Albanians at her helm, so did the Ottoman Empire. With the exception of one, or maybe two Albanians in Byzantine Empire others are Greeks, according to Albanian history about Byzantine Empire. Could have been some slaves, probably, since they were well established in Byzantine times. According to Albanian historians Arvanites were invited by Greek warlords, land was donated to them and according to agreements Arvanites had to have a number of war horses, equipment's, and in case of call to war all male body able to fight had to answer the call of the warlord who facilitated them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    About Arvanites in Greece: The first one, according to documents arrived in Thessalia about year 1050. By 1350 there were many Arvanite colonies established in Peloponnesus, Attica and some other places. Arvanites resisted Turkish occupations in Peloponnesus longer than Greeks did, and when they lost, some of them arrived in South Italy. During the Ottoman years no Arvanites arrived in Greece with exception of Albanian mercenaries or drafted by force by Turks. Did they stay or leave its not quite clear. Roman Empire had a lot of Albanians at her helm, so did the Ottoman Empire. With the exception of one, or maybe two Albanians in Byzantine Empire others are Greeks, according to Albanian history about Byzantine Empire. Could have been some slaves, probably, since they were well established in Byzantine times. According to Albanian historians Arvanites were invited by Greek warlords, land was donated to them and according to agreements Arvanites had to have a number of war horses, equipment's, and in case of call to war all male body able to fight had to answer the call of the warlord who facilitated them
    do not mix Arbanites of Latinocracy with rest

    The first Arbanites have origin from Maniakis army,
    after the rebelion of Maniakis moved to Korone and Maniaki Peloponese, and from there to Italy.

    The second Arbanites were invaded by Latin Rulers of Duchy of Athens and settle Boiotia, not Thessaly
    Then from the same stuff moved to Nauplion by invitation or licence of habitation even by Palaiologos
    These are the first and true Arbanites.

    The rest waves are different stories,

    Albanocracy of is the status that Albanians had priviledges comparing Greeks and Arbanites, and moved uncontrolled and raid, and starts around 1715 and ends theoritically by Ali Pasha,
    although it continued until 1860's in some areas.

    AND GUYS PLZ

    DON'T ..... this thread,
    it is other suubject

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    About Arvanites in Greece: The first one, according to documents arrived in Thessalia about year 1050. By 1350 there were many Arvanite colonies established in Peloponnesus, Attica and some other places. Arvanites resisted Turkish occupations in Peloponnesus longer than Greeks did, and when they lost, some of them arrived in South Italy. During the Ottoman years no Arvanites arrived in Greece with exception of Albanian mercenaries or drafted by force by Turks. Did they stay or leave its not quite clear. Roman Empire had a lot of Albanians at her helm, so did the Ottoman Empire. With the exception of one, or maybe two Albanians in Byzantine Empire others are Greeks, according to Albanian history about Byzantine Empire. Could have been some slaves, probably, since they were well established in Byzantine times. According to Albanian historians Arvanites were invited by Greek warlords, land was donated to them and according to agreements Arvanites had to have a number of war horses, equipment's, and in case of call to war all male body able to fight had to answer the call of the warlord who facilitated them
    The main wave was during the 16th century. The earlier migrations were small in number.

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