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    What more is there to discuss here? R1b-M269+ was a singluar thrust by the northern Philistines from the Bronze Age collapse in the Aegean, and after a few hundred years local ancestry, or related ancestry inland, reclaimed the territory. YDNA L, T, J2, J1, or whatever iteration comes from the paper are all local and unrelated to the real Philistines.

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    Jovialis vs Philistines (Dodecad K12b in Ancestry format)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Jovialis vs Philistines (Dodecad K12b in Ancestry format)

    Well, well. :)

    Probably only one "actual", original Philistine then.

    Which Greek sample is that?

    I wonder what it would look like with a wider variety of Greek samples.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, well. :)

    Probably only one "actual", original Philistine then.

    Which Greek sample is that?

    I wonder what it would look like with a wider variety of Greek samples.
    Indeed, :)

    It is the Greek sample from the Dodecad k12b calculator. Looks like it is from the Peloponnese:

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     Greek,3.30,0.30,0.60,0.00,28.00,20.20,0.10,0.00,10.10,0.00,37.40,0.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Indeed, :)

    It is the Greek sample from the Dodecad k12b calculator. Looks like it is from the Peloponnese:

    Code:
     Greek,3.30,0.30,0.60,0.00,28.00,20.20,0.10,0.00,10.10,0.00,37.40,0.00
    Here are the samples from the study:

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    ASH2-3_Iron_Age1,4.96,0,12.41,0,10.20,0,4.20,0,1.89,0,66.34,0
    ASH008_Iron_Age2,10.84,0,4.00,0,11.39,0,0,0.63,29.23,0,43.90,0
    ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age,8.31,0,9.61,0,12.28,6.19,0,0,27.92,0,35.69,0
    ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age,5.83,0,4.07,0,10.30,3.87,0,0,28.76,0,47.17,0
    ASH034_Late_Bronze_Age,10.82,0,3.64,0.66,14.01,0,0,0.84,25.02,0,45.01,0
    ASH066_Iron_Age1,9.21,0,7.83,0,15.39,0,5.06,0.07,22.99,0.97,37.59,0.90
    ASH067_Iron_Age1,9.18,0,3.02,0,23.86,2.30,0,0,19.31,0,42.33,0
    ASH068_Iron_Age1,0,0,0,1.65,39.53,8.59,0,0.65,14.61,0,34.97,0
    ASH087_Iron_Age2,5.64,1.37,3.88,0,12.66,0,0,2.67,32.15,0,41.63,0
    ASH135_Iron_Age2,5.14,0,17.24,0.39,6.20,6.72,0,3.35,27.59,0,33.18,0.18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Indeed, :)

    It is the Greek sample from the Dodecad k12b calculator. Looks like it is from the Peloponnese:

    Code:
     Greek,3.30,0.30,0.60,0.00,28.00,20.20,0.10,0.00,10.10,0.00,37.40,0.00
    I was wondering where Aegean Greeks would plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I was wondering where Aegean Greeks would plot.


    Here is the other Greek populations, plus one of the new one from Crete added to the updated spreadsheet for Dodecad K12b.

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    This is one with Cypriots included.

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    Is Crete closer to some of the Iron Age samples than modern Greeks?

    and how much Minoan do the modern Cretes carry?

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    Joker: You are correct, the Hellenized Jewish populations lived in throughout the Roman world and spoke Greek typically. The Greek version of the OT, the Septuagint, referred to as the (LXX) since the tradition was that 70 scholars produced a similar translation from the Hebrew sources is supports your view. This version was indeed the primary source used by the Apostles and was the source for some 70% of the OT quotes cited in the NT. Among the most well know Hellenist Jews was none other than Saint Paul.
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    Here is also me included, thanks to Jovialis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios View Post
    Here is also me included, thanks to Jovialis.

    Sorry, Demetrios, could you remind me of the source of your ancestry in Greece.

    More broadly, I wonder if the original group of "Philistines" was very small, or rather we just got a skewed sample by happenstance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Is Crete closer to some of the Iron Age samples than modern Greeks?

    and how much Minoan do the modern Cretes carry?
    in k13 ancient
    R850 is very close to Greek islanders

    Distance to: IA_Ardea_R850

    3.75234926 Greek_Dodecanese
    5.15025242 Greek_Chios
    5.63412815 Calabria
    6.15024390 Greek_Symi_Island
    6.84200263 Malta
    7.89309825 East_Sicilian
    8.02167065 Sicily
    8.33562835 Sephardic_Jewish
    8.56379589 Turk_Cypriot
    8.73838658 Campania
    8.96293479 Central_Greek
    8.98079618 Algerian_Jewish
    9.85417678 Ashkenazi
    10.03299556 Apulia
    10.04940794 Italian_Jewish
    10.92001374 Tunisian_Jewish
    10.96685005 Molise
    11.07381596 Basilicata
    11.32964254 Greek_Andros_Island
    11.37861591 Cyprian
    11.37861591 Greek_Cypriot
    11.55393007 Libyan_Jewish
    11.74064734 Abruzzo
    12.41358127 Moroccan_Jew
    13.03697434 West_Sicilian



    R437 is more closer to apulia and other italian regions than to greek islanders

    Distance to: IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437

    6.38026645 Apulia
    6.45295281 Sicily
    6.95716896 Molise
    7.18591678 Campania
    7.23656687 West_Sicilian
    7.38411809 Abruzzo
    7.51745968 Basilicata
    8.26925631 Central_Greek
    8.27702845 East_Sicilian
    8.45297581 Calabria
    8.59064608 Malta
    9.60696622 Lazio
    9.94789425 Marche
    10.52866563 Greek_Western-Thrace
    10.75656544 Greek_Symi_Island
    10.83325436 Umbria
    10.88487023 Greek_Andros_Island
    11.89452395 Greek_Chios
    11.95423774 Greek_Peloponnese
    12.14779815 Romagna
    12.17968493 Greek_Dodecanese
    12.47757589 Tuscan
    12.75343091 FrenchCorsica
    13.31135230 Sephardic_Jewish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Sorry, Demetrios, could you remind me of the source of your ancestry in Greece.

    More broadly, I wonder if the original group of "Philistines" was very small, or rather we just got a skewed sample by happenstance.
    Father from Messenia, mother from Corinthia. Even though my father's family resides in Gargalianoi (Messenia), it seems (based on my father's last name frequency) to hail from the same location where the original Mycenaean Pylos (not the modern one) was located, namely in Chora (Messenia). In general Messenia is famous for its Mycenaean remains. For example, highest tumuli density in Greece is observed in Messenia (Crete is not included but i presume it peaks over it as well), including the best preserved Mycenaean Palace (Nestor's).


    I don't know what to tell you about the Philistine sample that clusters with us though. Jovialis observed some bugs concerning the PCA. For example, when he adds more populations things get shifted a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios View Post
    Father from Messenia, mother from Corinthia. Even though my father's family resides in Gargalianoi (Messenia), it seems (based on my father's last name frequency) to hail from the same location where the original Mycenaean Pylos (not the modern one) was located, namely in Chora (Messenia). In general Messenia is famous for its Mycenaean remains. For example, highest tumuli density in Greece is observed in Messenia (Crete is not included but i presume it peaks over it as well), including the best preserved Mycenaean Palace (Nestor's).


    I don't know what to tell you about the Philistine sample that cluster's with us though. Jovialis observed some bugs concerning the PCA. For example, when he adds more populations things get shifted a bit.
    Yes, that's always the case with pcas. It's looking at the relationship between the samples the algorithm is given.

    I do think we can see that a lot of the "Philistine" samples we have, if not all the Philistines, were very mixed with locals.

    I also think we can safely that the Stamatoyannopoulos paper on the Peloponnese, as some of us here interpreted it, showed a close genetic relationship between the people of the Peloponnese and Southern Italians.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Yes, that's always the case with pcas. It's looking at the relationship between the samples the algorithm is given.

    I do think we can see that a lot of the "Philistine" samples we have, if not all the Philistines, were very mixed with locals.

    I also think we can safely that the Stamatoyannopoulos paper on the Peloponnese, as some of us here interpreted it, showed a close genetic relationship between the people of the Peloponnese and Southern Italians.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718
    Regarding the PCA bug, it was something different. Jovialis will explain it better.

    I agree, it seems Philistines mixed with the locals rather quickly. As the "
    Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines" paper also stated, "Our analysis suggests that this genetic distinction is due to a European-related gene flow introduced in Ashkelon during either the end of the Bronze Age or the beginning of the Iron Age. This timing is in accord with estimates of the Philistines arrival to the coast of the Levant, based on archeological and textual records. *We find that, within no more than two centuries, this genetic footprint introduced during the early Iron Age is no longer detectable and seems to be diluted by a local Levantine-related gene pool.*".

    Last, yeah Peloponnesians and southern Italians are indeed very close. But even though i am Peloponnesian i don't seem to cluster with southern Italians, but somewhere in between i presume, certainly as a result of being northern-shifted by additional Slavic admixture. I believe this Eurogenes K36 map shows modern autosomal affinity a little better because it seems to include many reference populations. In it i get some 78-79s with the Greek islanders and southern Italians.

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    I pruned the Dodecad K12b PCA to only have West Eurasian populations. I tried my best to mirror Wang et al 2018 PCA. With the West Eurasian modern populations included, the Philistine (ASH068) is in a more appropriate position on the PCA.

    Modern West Eurasian populations:

    Code:
    Abhkasians,17.20,0.90,0.00,0.60,0.00,11.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.20,70.00,0.00Adygei,17.18,2.40,0.00,0.30,1.90,20.18,0.20,0.00,0.00,1.30,56.54,0.00
    Albanian_Kosovo,5.18,0.14,0.62,0.17,29.47,27.1,0.23,0.01,8.13,0.26,28.69,0
    Albanian_North,4.49,0,1.15,0.03,29.7,28.3,0.21,0.05,7.34,0.12,28.6,0
    Andalucia,7.19,0.00,5.09,0.00,52.55,18.08,0.00,0.60,3.20,0.10,12.89,0.30
    Aragon,6.31,0.10,3.40,0.00,56.16,21.82,0.40,0.00,3.00,0.00,8.81,0.00
    Argyll,13.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.20,45.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00
    Armenian_East,18.78,0.24,0.62,0.08,10.82,5.54,0.48,0.02,14.21,0.13,49.01,0
    Armenian_West,17.23,0.05,0.79,0.11,12.26,3.33,0.39,0.1,16.05,0.08,49.54,0
    Ashkenazi,2.10,0.50,4.70,0.00,25.90,13.00,0.90,0.20,13.90,0.50,38.30,0.00
    Ashkenazy_Jews,2.80,0.60,4.20,0.00,25.13,13.21,1.30,0.40,12.81,0.50,39.04,0.00
    Assyrian,18.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.60,0.90,0.10,0.00,18.90,0.00,52.20,0.00
    Avar_Dagestan,25.18,2.76,0,0,6.09,25.32,1.19,0,2.06,0.28,37.13,0
    Baleares,5.50,0.00,3.70,0.00,49.40,22.50,0.20,0.00,4.40,0.00,14.20,0.10
    Balkars,15.80,3.90,0.00,0.10,0.80,19.40,0.10,0.00,0.00,3.30,56.60,0.00
    Bashkir,10.27,23.64,0.15,1.07,8,30.73,1.87,0.01,0.49,16.51,7.24,0.01
    Bedouin,5.00,0.00,4.90,0.00,8.20,0.40,0.00,5.30,43.30,0.00,30.80,2.10
    Belorussian,0.00,0.30,0.00,0.00,16.12,67.87,0.50,0.00,1.90,0.00,13.31,0.00
    Bosnian,4.81,0.53,0.39,0.12,25.91,42.79,0.74,0.03,4.67,0.07,19.92,0.01
    British,11.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,43.50,43.60,0.00,0.00,0.30,0.00,1.30,0.00
    British_Isles,9.50,0.00,0.00,0.00,42.50,45.70,0.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.20,0.00
    Bulgarian,3.30,0.30,0.50,0.00,23.70,34.80,0.50,0.00,6.40,0.40,30.10,0.00
    Bulgarians,1.50,0.90,0.30,0.00,25.03,34.93,0.30,0.00,5.71,0.60,30.73,0.00
    Canarias,5.00,0.30,11.80,0.60,46.70,17.60,0.10,2.80,3.70,0.00,11.20,0.20
    Cantabria,5.70,0.10,3.10,0.00,54.80,23.50,0.30,0.30,3.00,0.00,8.90,0.30
    Castilla_La_Mancha,6.80,0.40,3.50,0.00,54.30,21.10,0.00,0.60,4.50,0.00,8.80,0.00
    Castilla_Y_Leon,5.40,0.00,6.10,0.00,51.20,22.30,0.40,0.60,4.00,0.00,10.00,0.00
    Cataluna,7.30,0.00,2.40,0.00,52.10,25.20,0.30,0.00,3.50,0.00,9.20,0.00
    CEU30,10.60,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.40,44.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.30,0.00
    Chechens,21.80,2.60,0.00,0.70,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.60,51.30,0.00
    Chuvashs,4.50,20.02,0.00,0.00,6.71,52.75,1.00,0.00,0.70,4.10,10.21,0.00
    Circassian,19.16,3.23,0,0.66,5.2,17.08,0.5,0.04,3.75,2.3,48.03,0.07
    Cornwall,11.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,43.80,42.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.00,0.00
    Cypriots,5.81,0.00,2.10,0.00,20.52,4.50,0.00,0.00,17.72,0.00,49.35,0.00
    Druze,8.91,0.10,2.90,0.00,12.51,0.90,0.70,1.10,23.12,0.00,49.55,0.20
    Dutch,9.90,0.00,0.00,0.00,39.10,45.60,0.00,0.00,0.60,0.00,4.80,0.00
    English,10.62,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.58,44.59,0.00,0.00,0.10,0.00,3.11,0.00
    Extremadura,6.91,0.00,6.01,0.00,48.25,22.12,0.30,1.00,4.30,0.00,10.71,0.40
    FIN30,0.90,7.20,0.00,0.10,14.10,73.50,0.70,0.00,2.20,0.00,1.30,0.00
    Finnish,0.30,6.70,0.00,0.00,13.40,75.50,0.20,0.00,2.60,0.00,1.30,0.00
    French,7.91,0.00,0.20,0.00,44.44,36.54,0.00,0.00,2.50,0.00,8.41,0.00
    French_Basque,9.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,73.10,17.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    French,8.08,0.00,0.60,0.00,43.81,36.83,0.10,0.00,2.69,0.00,7.88,0.00
    Galicia,5.09,0.00,5.00,0.00,48.25,23.38,0.70,0.90,5.39,0.00,11.09,0.20
    Georgia_Jews,16.92,0.00,0.70,0.40,7.41,3.60,0.00,0.00,18.82,0.00,52.15,0.00
    Georgian_Adjara,19.54,0.59,0,0,7.8,4.1,0.54,0.05,8.46,0.31,58.62,0
    Georgian_Gurian,18.73,0.31,0.02,0.34,4.51,10.73,0.17,0.12,6.12,0,58.94,0
    Georgian_Imereti,19.33,0.33,0,0.11,5.3,7.93,0.47,0,6.83,0.1,59.61,0
    Georgian_Mingrelian,18.78,0.69,0.15,0.13,4.16,9.36,0.24,0.05,5.1,0.36,60.98,0
    Georgian_Svan,20.22,1.36,0,0.33,2.71,11.49,0.15,0,4.27,0.67,58.82,0
    Georgian_Turkey,19.82,0.44,0,0.02,6.6,5.2,0.35,0.03,8.32,0.39,58.77,0
    German,7.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,33.00,48.20,0.00,0.00,1.70,0.00,9.80,0.00
    Greek,3.30,0.30,0.60,0.00,28.00,20.20,0.10,0.00,10.10,0.00,37.40,0.00
    Greek_Cappadocia,11.66,0.41,0.6,0,18.85,6.27,0.13,0,14.23,0.1,47.73,0.02
    Greek_Crete,8.02,0.02,2.63,0.2,23.4,12.24,0.17,0.23,14.43,0.17,38.45,0.04
    Greek_Pontus,14.93,0.01,0.41,0.06,12.38,4.19,0.13,0.02,12.78,0.1,54.94,0
    Hungarians,4.10,0.70,0.00,0.00,27.00,48.40,0.30,0.00,3.00,0.30,16.20,0.00
    Iranian,28.80,2.10,0.00,0.60,5.60,6.00,3.60,0.10,12.40,0.50,40.30,0.00
    Iran_Central_East,27.96,1.89,0.38,0.41,5.35,8.62,8.65,0.55,12.57,0.81,33.71,0.24
    Iranian_Jews,18.80,0.40,1.80,0.40,6.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,22.50,0.00,49.30,0.00
    Iranians,30.90,1.00,0.90,0.30,5.90,4.20,4.20,0.90,14.20,0.30,36.70,0.50
    Iraq_Jews,16.80,0.00,1.60,0.10,8.90,0.00,0.10,0.00,24.70,0.00,47.80,0.00
    Irish,11.91,0.00,0.00,0.00,42.74,45.15,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.20,0.00
    Swiss_Italian,3.9175,0.0825,1.1025,0,39.8525,28.55,0.185,0.0625,5.7975,0,20.45,0
    Italy_Aosta_Valley,5.817,0.055,1.62,0.1424,40.6528,29.9942,0.2457,0.052857,4.298,0.03,16.98,0.111
    Italy_Trentino,4.792,0.216,0.726,0.044,38.714,29.792,0,0,5.468,0.02,20.222,0
    Italy_FriuliVG,5.44,0.278,1.174,0.014,34.924,29.32,0.076,0,7.032,0,21.72,0.022
    Italy_Veneto,5.443,0.0427,1.433,0.17818,36.93,27.16,0.062,0,5.728,0.15,22.83,0.03
    Italy_Lombardy,4.749,0.123,1.119,0.039,39.628,25.077,0.166,0.013,6.41,0.026,22.618,0.0266
    Italy_Piedmont,5.92,0.132,1.729,0.085,37.82,26.0195,0.035,0.035,6.7275,0.02395,21.37,0.1
    Italy_Liguria,5.1,0.05,2.014,0.0922,37.89,23.225,0.2477,0.053,7.89,0.048,23.39,0
    Italy_Emilia,6.13,0,1.15,0.1801,37.614,22.757,0.14,0.107,7.396,0.25,24.22,0.055
    Italy_Romagna,6.08,0,1.87,0.13,34.66,20.98,0.1,0,8.99,0,27.19,0
    Italy_Tuscany,6.12,0.049,1.21,0.139,36.889,21.811,0.157,0.055,8.206,0,25.364,0
    Italy_Lazio,6.725,0,2.67,0.0525,31.7,19.8175,0.2575,0.07,9.785,0.1725,28.747,0
    Italy_Marche,6.421,0.082,2.38,0.048,32.91,18.72,0.294,0.267,9.802,0,29.042,0.034
    France_Corsica,4.812,0,2.998,0,39.95,17.762,0.09,0,8.306,0.064,25.994,0.024
    Italy_Abruzzo,7.586,0.0283,3.225,0.0383,29.12,16.1,0,0.0783,10.91,0.316,32.598,0
    Italy_Campania,7.065,0.086,2.818,0.085,28.905,13.727,0.111,0.334,12.32,0.02,34.342,0.111
    Italy_Apulia,7.382,0.32,2.812,0.336,26.188,17.186,0.274,0.266,11.314,0.412,33.356,0.154
    Italy_Sicily,7.313,0.482,4.594,0.101,27.216,13.451,0.249,0.653,12.095,0.047,33.163,0.635
    Italy_Calabria,7.006,0.1308,4.1825,0.0759,27.005,11.44083,0.2616,0.5983,13.52416,0.22,35.4525,0.0975
    Jordanians,9.60,0.00,5.50,0.00,10.80,0.90,0.20,4.90,27.90,0.10,38.00,2.10
    Kent,10.49,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.86,43.86,0.00,0.00,0.20,0.00,3.60,0.00
    Kumyks,20.00,3.90,0.00,0.50,3.10,18.80,0.40,0.00,3.30,3.70,46.30,0.00
    Kurd,28.70,1.50,0.90,0.40,5.90,5.70,1.10,0.40,14.00,1.00,40.40,0.00
    Kurds,28.20,0.60,0.00,0.60,6.30,6.70,0.80,0.10,14.30,0.20,42.20,0.00
    Kurd_Kurmanji,24.19,1.39,1.15,0.18,8.64,7.09,2.59,0.26,13.97,0.62,39.81,0.1
    Kurd_Sorani,24.26,0.4,1.22,0.48,7.29,6.28,3.79,0.94,16,0.5,38.62,0.24
    Lebanese,10.80,0.20,4.70,0.60,11.80,3.70,0.00,2.40,23.50,0.00,41.30,1.00
    Lezgins,27.80,1.70,0.00,0.00,0.30,23.80,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.00,45.60,0.00
    Lithuanian,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.90,73.70,0.70,0.00,1.60,0.00,10.10,0.00
    Lithuanians,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.71,77.18,0.10,0.00,1.00,0.00,8.01,0.00
    Mixed_Germanic,10.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,38.40,44.10,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00,6.30,0.00
    Mixed_Slav,0.90,1.50,0.00,0.10,16.58,64.34,0.70,0.00,2.20,0.40,13.29,0.00
    Mordovians,4.00,5.90,0.00,0.70,10.90,63.80,0.90,0.00,0.60,0.90,12.30,0.00
    Morocco_Jews,5.41,0.00,9.51,0.00,27.33,4.30,0.50,1.10,17.02,0.00,34.03,0.80
    Murcia,5.50,0.00,6.00,0.00,50.60,19.60,0.00,0.20,5.90,0.60,11.20,0.40
    Nogais,12.87,11.38,0.00,0.50,4.49,21.26,0.70,0.00,0.10,11.48,37.23,0.00
    North_Ossetians,16.50,3.90,0.00,0.20,0.00,19.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.50,56.70,0.00
    Norwegian,8.20,1.00,0.00,0.00,36.00,54.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.10,0.00
    Nusayri_Turkey,12.48,0.49,3.15,0.39,16.16,2.82,0.58,1.16,19.46,0.1,42.95,0.25
    Orcadian,12.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,42.40,45.60,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Orkney,11.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.80,46.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Pais_Vasco,9.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,67.30,22.40,0.00,0.00,1.20,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Palestinian,6.81,0.00,5.41,0.10,10.91,0.30,0.60,5.21,30.43,0.00,38.24,2.00
    Polish,0.50,0.10,0.00,0.00,20.88,63.24,0.90,0.00,2.30,0.00,12.09,0.00
    Portuguese,6.01,0.00,7.71,0.00,47.55,22.32,0.90,0.10,5.01,0.00,9.71,0.70
    Romanians,3.00,0.30,0.00,0.00,24.60,36.00,1.50,0.00,5.90,0.30,28.40,0.00
    Russian,2.00,7.30,0.00,0.10,12.10,65.40,1.10,0.00,2.00,0.80,9.20,0.00
    Russian_B,0.20,2.70,0.10,0.40,13.11,66.57,0.80,0.00,0.60,1.20,14.31,0.00
    Russian,1.80,3.00,0.00,0.00,14.11,66.47,0.40,0.00,1.40,1.10,11.71,0.00
    Sardinian,0.00,0.00,2.60,0.00,70.57,0.00,0.10,0.00,5.81,0.00,20.92,0.00
    Saudis,3.60,0.00,1.40,0.00,2.60,0.90,0.30,2.60,67.77,0.00,20.52,0.30
    Sephardic_Jews,5.69,0.20,6.19,0.00,26.47,6.09,0.40,0.70,16.18,0.00,38.06,0.00
    Spaniards,6.50,0.00,3.00,0.00,53.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,3.60,0.00,10.80,0.10
    Spanish,6.21,0.00,5.11,0.00,52.55,22.72,0.20,0.00,4.00,0.00,8.81,0.40
    Swedish,7.70,0.60,0.00,0.00,32.90,56.80,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.00,1.20,0.00
    Syrians,11.41,0.20,1.50,0.00,11.61,2.70,1.30,2.90,27.93,0.00,38.64,1.80
    Turkmens,28.03,6.61,0.00,1.70,4.70,10.31,5.41,0.00,6.81,7.71,28.73,0.00
    Turkmen_Iraq,22.27,0.67,1.16,1.07,8.73,5.64,2.04,1.15,16.7,1.85,38.58,0.15
    Turkmen_Iran,24.24,7.38,0.60,1.82,4.86,11.74,5.99,0.06,7.48,7.61,28.14,0.08
    Turkmen_Uzbekistan,19.54,13.24,0.18,2.04,6.54,12.86,5.08,0.05,6.49,13.96,19.93,0.07
    Turk_Ahiska,19.35,0.34,0.42,0.23,7.75,8.24,0.40,0,9.56,0.46,53.16,0.03
    Turk_Anatolia,14.62,5.01,0.96,0.61,12.83,10.75,1.35,0.2,10.92,4.87,37.71,0.09
    Turk_Northwest,12.88,6.48,1.14,0.79,14.39,14.21,1.13,0.17,9.59,5.55,33.5,0.11
    Turk_Southwest,13.7,6.04,1.17,0.56,13.69,12.02,1.33,0.34,10.1,5.8,35.08,0.09
    Turk_West_BlackSea,13.21,4.61,0.72,0.81,14.4,12.92,1.24,0.06,10.47,4.49,36.98,0.03
    Turk_Central_West,14.48,4.37,0.96,0.53,13.53,10.75,1.35,0.16,11.57,4.52,37.65,0.08
    Turk_Central_East,15.68,3.8,0.89,0.55,12.23,9.33,1.45,0.16,11.66,3.91,40.18,0.08
    Turk_South,15.42,5.44,1.11,0.51,11.29,10.08,1.6,0.28,11.37,5.1,37.52,0.23
    Turk_Central_Black_Sea,14.81,5.86,0.58,0.81,11.54,9.37,1.09,0.12,10.34,5.63,39.78,0.02
    Turk_East_Black_Sea,15.19,0.80,0.39,0.13,11.01,5.28,0.30,0,11.25,1.17,54.42,0
    Turk_Southeast,18.06,3.07,0.72,0.29,10.83,8.49,2.18,0.88,13.65,3.48,38.12,0.16
    Turk_East,18.08,1.73,0.78,0.60,10.65,7.55,1.17,0.08,12.17,1.35,45.75,0.04
    Ukranians,0.30,0.80,0.00,0.00,16.30,62.10,0.90,0.00,3.00,0.20,16.40,0.00
    Valencia,6.81,0.00,3.00,0.00,55.46,22.22,0.00,0.00,2.40,0.00,9.91,0.20
    Yemen_Jews,0.20,0.00,3.10,0.00,4.20,0.00,0.00,4.70,53.85,0.00,33.93,0.00
    Yemenese,5.89,0.70,3.30,0.50,3.70,1.10,2.40,9.39,36.56,0.00,27.67,8.79
    Here are the Ancient samples I included above:

    Code:
    R850_Iron_Age_Ardea,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
    R851_Iron_Age_Ardea,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
    R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
    R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
    R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
    R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
    R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34
    R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
    R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
    R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
    R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
    R2_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.98,0,54.75,0,0,0,11.90,0,29.37,0
    R8_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.83,0,53.23,0,0,0,13.82,0.25,29.87,0
    R9_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.27,0,50.85,0,0,0,13.25,0,32.63,0
    R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,5.17,0,66.71,11.16,0,0.32,7.34,0.20,9.11,0
    R3_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,4.22,0.05,52.70,0,0,0,11.29,0,31.68,0.06
    R10_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.50,0,53.49,0,0,0,13.65,0,29.36,0
    R16_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,2.95,0,58.11,1.77,0,0,9.21,0,27.95,0
    R17_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,4.12,0,50.89,3.18,0,0,13.16,0,28.66,0
    R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,3.88,0,56.14,0.65,0,0,10.10,0,29.22,0
    R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,3.76,0,52.08,0,0,0.13,9.55,0,34.48,0
    R4_Chalcolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.77,0.12,60.45,3.99,0,0,10.54,0.02,21.81,0.32
    R5_Chalcolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.97,0,63.17,3.07,0,0,10.39,0,20.40,0
    R1014_Chalcolithic_Monte_San_Biagio,0,0,4.04,0,62.82,4.57,0,0,10.06,0,18.52,0
    R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,0,0.61,34.46,64.51,0,0,0,0,0,0.42
    R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,0,0.14,34.33,64.73,0,0,0,0,0,0.79
    I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,0,2.55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95
    I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.49,0,3.07,0,37.80,0.67,0,0,13.01,0,44.93,0.03
    I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,1.28,0.51,37.14,0,0,0,15.36,0,45.71,0
    I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,3.39,0.38,35.55,0,0,0,13.26,0,47.43,0
    I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.41,0,4.34,0,39.06,0,0,0,12.70,0,43.49,0
    I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
    I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,4.14,0,1.89,0,36.48,4.77,0,0,8.08,1.19,43.45,0
    I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,6.11,0,2.47,0,40.07,15.84,0,0,9.79,0.87,24.86,0
    I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,0,0,40.48,0,0,0,4.75,0,54.78,0
    I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,3.72,0.51,3.62,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.12,2.88,21.92,0
    I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,6.66,0,43.44,0,0,0,11.86,0,37.93,0
    I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,1.10,0,0,0,43.10,0,0,0,17.55,0,38.25,0
    I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,4.59,0,0,0,33.89,0,0,0,19.71,0,41.08,0.73
    I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0,0,3.52,1.43,38.53,7.73,0,0.65,13.96,0,34.19,0
    I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese,1.33,1.22,3.40,0,40.19,9.10,0.52,0,7.58,0.48,33.22,2.96
    I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,2.87,0,2.57,0,37.48,8.67,0,0.36,10.29,0,37.52,0.24
    I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,6.79,0,1.92,1.07,27.17,4.07,0,0,14.65,0,42.98,1.35
    I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.21,0,0.11,0.47,27.71,4.33,0,0.81,12.84,0,44.53,0
    I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.16,0.07,1.74,0.67,24.77,1.32,0,0,14.88,0,45.56,1.81
    ASH2-3_Iron_Age1,4.96,0,12.41,0,10.20,0,4.20,0,1.89,0,66.34,0
    ASH008_Iron_Age2,10.84,0,4.00,0,11.39,0,0,0.63,29.23,0,43.90,0
    ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age,8.31,0,9.61,0,12.28,6.19,0,0,27.92,0,35.69,0
    ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age,5.83,0,4.07,0,10.30,3.87,0,0,28.76,0,47.17,0
    ASH034_Late_Bronze_Age,10.82,0,3.64,0.66,14.01,0,0,0.84,25.02,0,45.01,0
    ASH066_Iron_Age1,9.21,0,7.83,0,15.39,0,5.06,0.07,22.99,0.97,37.59,0.90
    ASH067_Iron_Age1,9.18,0,3.02,0,23.86,2.30,0,0,19.31,0,42.33,0
    ASH068_Iron_Age1,0,0,0,1.65,39.53,8.59,0,0.65,14.61,0,34.97,0
    ASH087_Iron_Age2,5.64,1.37,3.88,0,12.66,0,0,2.67,32.15,0,41.63,0
    ASH135_Iron_Age2,5.14,0,17.24,0.39,6.20,6.72,0,3.35,27.59,0,33.18,0.18
    I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,5.34,0,0,0,47.45,28.85,0.64,0,3.59,1.22,12.27,0.65
    I2477_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,0,0,6.01,0.21,60.29,7.43,0,0.07,7.60,0.08,18.30,0
    I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,0,1.31,0,0,43.62,20.47,0,0,8.75,0,25.64,0.20
    I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily,0,0,10.64,0,41.31,0.42,0,0,9.55,0,38.08,0

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    @Demetrios, here is a version with your coordinates included, which is closer to the "Greek" sample; I still think it is Peloponnese, with you a bit more north of it. The two Albanian samples, further north of you, could be seen as a proxy for Thessaloniki, since they overlap with them.


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    When using the Modern West Eurasian populations, with the Ancient samples, the Philistine overlaps with the Mycenaeans. Which is slightly south, and much further to the west of me, contrary to the initial PCA I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    When using the Modern West Eurasian populations, with the Ancient samples, the Philistine overlaps with the Mycenaeans. Which is slightly south, and much further to the west of me, contrary to the initial PCA I posted.
    Yeah, it appears i am a typical Peloponnesian, which means intermediary location between Thessaloniki and Southern Italians, the latter evidently clustering with the Mycenaeans and the Philistine sample in question. By the way, what is the designation of the BA Armenoi sample on the PCA?

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    Amenoi_Crete is close to TSI30 (I will include that in an update when I get a chance tonight), as well as the France_Corsica sample.(The corsica sample is close to TSI30.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios View Post
    Yeah, it appears i am a typical Peloponnesian, which means intermediary location between Thessaloniki and Southern Italians, the latter evidently clustering with the Mycenaeans and the Philistine sample in question. By the way, what is the designation of the BA Armenoi sample on the PCA?
    Crete_Armenoi is different from the Mycenaeans and Minoans, in Lazaridis's PCA it plots with northern Greeks from Thessaloniki. In Gedmatch Crete_Armenoi plots a bit away from modern populations, towards Northern Italians/Tuscans and Bulgarians/Northern Greeks. Crete_Armenoi gets the worst distances in K15.

    Gedmatch Kit Number: Z401678 (Crete_Armenoi I9123)






    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 39.64
    2 Neolithic 34.24
    3 NorthEastEuropean 11.71
    4 Steppe 6.52
    5 Amerindian 2.87
    6 Australian 2.26
    7 Ancestor 2.06


    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 11.663928
    2 Albanian_Albania @ 12.000857
    3 Greek_Athens @ 12.228420
    4 Italian_Tuscany @ 12.684225
    5 Sicilian_Sicily @ 13.045312
    6 Greek_Greece @ 13.209495
    7 Kosovar_Kosovo @ 13.225756
    8 Italian_SouthItaly @ 13.542761
    9 Greek_Peloponnes @ 13.546643
    10 Maltese_Malta @ 13.893864
    11 Greek_Greece @ 13.965723
    12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.261950
    13 Greek_Macedonia @ 15.071374
    14 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 15.338378
    15 Jew_Ashkenazim @ 15.710345
    16 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 15.954588
    17 Corsican_Corsica @ 16.125498
    18 Italian_Bergamo @ 16.229155
    19 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 16.368599
    20 Gagauz_Gagauzia @ 16.508347

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Sardinian_Sardinia +50% Turk_Trabzon @ 9.353472


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Thessaloniki +25% Sardinian_Sardinia +25% Turk_Trabzon @ 7.496452


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Greek_Thessaloniki + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.466018
    2 Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.496452
    3 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.527965
    4 Kosovar_Kosovo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.537002
    5 Albanian_Albania + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.563157
    6 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.573567
    7 Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.576386
    8 Albanian_Albania + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.589819
    9 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.621921
    10 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.625950
    11 Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.651759
    12 Albanian_Albania + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.665133
    13 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.668783
    14 Albanian_Albania + Albanian_Albania + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.686642
    15 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.697384
    16 Italian_Tuscany + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.708766
    17 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.720934
    18 Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.778342
    19 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_NorthIitaly + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.785923
    20 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.811959



    Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle


    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 29.14
    2 Baltic 16.19
    3 North_Atlantic 15.55
    4 East_Med 14.16
    5 Red_Sea 12.66
    6 West_Asian 10.69


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.139467
    2 Bulgarian @ 19.459091
    3 Tuscan @ 19.659492
    4 Central_Greek @ 20.105986
    5 East_Sicilian @ 20.423048
    6 West_Sicilian @ 20.439310
    7 Romanian @ 20.484518
    8 North_Italian @ 20.791340
    9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.877569
    10 South_Italian @ 23.176262
    11 Serbian @ 23.301306
    12 Ashkenazi @ 24.852739
    13 Spanish_Extremadura @ 26.338322
    14 Spanish_Galicia @ 26.537903
    15 Portuguese @ 26.838459
    16 Moldavian @ 26.909927
    17 Algerian_Jewish @ 27.724848
    18 Spanish_Andalucia @ 27.982512
    19 Moroccan @ 28.321758
    20 Spanish_Murcia @ 28.841026

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Moldavian +50% Moroccan @ 14.127831


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Moldavian +25% Sardinian +25% Saudi @ 11.489973


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.156603
    2 Kabardin + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.246059
    3 Kabardin + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.269535
    4 Estonian_Polish + Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.293427
    5 Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 10.332965
    6 Balkar + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.424162
    7 Balkar + Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.442448
    8 Balkar + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.452525
    9 Balkar + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.456155
    10 Kumyk + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.495074
    11 Belorussian + Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.503551
    12 Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Ossetian + Sardinian @ 10.516138
    13 Adygei + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.538552
    14 Adygei + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.546384
    15 Adygei + Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.553177
    16 Adygei + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.560045
    17 Moroccan + Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.561866
    18 Kabardin + Lithuanian + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.568363
    19 Kumyk + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.575541
    20 Kumyk + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.577345

    Done.

    Elapsed time 1.9058 seconds.


    Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 36.43
    2 North_European 21.54
    3 Caucasus 20.53
    4 Southwest_Asian 10.38
    5 Northwest_African 5.63
    6 Gedrosia 4.34
    7 East_Asian 1.15


    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 8.968685
    2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 10.243786
    3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 10.511731
    4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 10.526886
    5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 12.314641
    6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 13.114214
    7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 15.858938
    8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.151669
    9 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 16.735641
    10 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 16.817284
    11 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 17.347780
    12 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 17.713610
    13 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 19.331276
    14 Greek_Dodecad @ 19.624538
    15 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 19.795702
    16 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 19.902699
    17 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.248411
    18 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.746887
    19 Spanish_Dodecad @ 21.090904
    20 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 21.341671

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 3.181978


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Galicia_1000Genomes +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar +25% Romanians_Behar @ 2.797688


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.112039
    2 Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.204129
    3 Aragon_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.213219
    4 Aragon_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.216226
    5 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spanish_Dodecad @ 2.257011
    6 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.261468
    7 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 2.267900
    8 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 2.270832
    9 Canarias_1000Genomes + Cantabria_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.288237
    10 Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.307066
    11 French_Basque_HGDP + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.323120
    12 German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.352118
    13 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Dutch_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.398038
    14 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.468009
    15 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + British_Isles_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Murcia_1000Genomes @ 2.470825
    16 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.472091
    17 Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 2.491874
    18 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.498900
    19 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + British_Isles_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 2.506960
    20 British_Isles_Dodecad + Canarias_1000Genomes + North_Italian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.515589

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 26.42
    2 Atlantic 18.22
    3 West_Asian 14.41
    4 Baltic 14.11
    5 Red_Sea 13.89
    6 East_Med 6.32
    7 Eastern_Euro 3.35
    8 North_Sea 1.74


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Bulgarian @ 23.968235
    2 Tuscan @ 24.014156
    3 Greek @ 24.185492
    4 North_Italian @ 24.485718
    5 Greek_Thessaly @ 25.374260
    6 Romanian @ 25.475012
    7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 26.588182
    8 East_Sicilian @ 26.684841
    9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 26.823009
    10 Central_Greek @ 27.004074
    11 West_Sicilian @ 27.130219
    12 Ashkenazi @ 27.704870
    13 Spanish_Extremadura @ 27.981295
    14 Serbian @ 28.234880
    15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 28.693233
    16 Portuguese @ 28.727505
    17 Spanish_Galicia @ 28.790810
    18 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 28.804472
    19 South_Italian @ 28.889931
    20 Spanish_Valencia @ 29.109421

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Nogay +50% Sardinian @ 19.573439


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Sardinian +25% Turkish +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.136768


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
    1 Estonian_Polish + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.704981
    2 North_Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.742607
    3 Belorussian + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.830244
    4 Lithuanian + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.869636
    5 North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.012613
    6 Balkar + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.031731
    7 Balkar + Estonian_Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.043739
    8 Kabardin + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.052666
    9 Adygei + Estonian_Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.070629
    10 Adygei + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.083134
    11 Estonian_Polish + Kabardin + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.085138
    12 Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + North_Ossetian + Sardinian @ 16.105034
    13 North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 16.128746
    14 Balkar + Belorussian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.131834
    15 Moroccan + North_Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 16.135401
    16 Balkar + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.151211
    17 Estonian_Polish + Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.152056
    18 Belorussian + Kabardin + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.176079
    19 Adygei + Belorussian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.179466
    20 North_Ossetian + Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.189388

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    Great thread. My single distances (top 25) using Dodecad updated K12B and using the sample Jovialis put together in post 117. My results are consistent as with my ancestors all immigrating from Sicilia, regione Trapani, Palermo, Agrigento. My results as Angela noted in citing Stamatoyannopoulus (2017) are consistent with Peloponnesean Greeks sharing a close genetic relationship with Southern Italians [Figure 2, page .639]

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    3.56228943 Italy_Campania
    3.83059103 Italy_Abruzzo
    4.03985458 Italy_Sicily
    4.18976133 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    5.85659507 Italy_Calabria
    6.30021809 Italy_Apulia
    7.04316676 Italy_Marche
    7.65791512 Italy_Lazio
    9.80278022 Ashkenazi
    10.34941544 Ashkenazy_Jews
    10.37221770 Greek_Crete
    10.45749014 Italy_Romagna
    10.84031826 Greek
    11.55112549 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    11.64560432 Sephardic_Jews
    12.32164762 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    12.46343452 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    12.53945374 Morocco_Jews
    12.70455178 France_Corsica
    13.19014973 Italy_Tuscany
    13.23641568 R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    13.59141273 ASH068_Iron_Age1
    13.62262456 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    14.40640483 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
    14.95868467 Italy_Emilia

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    Quote Originally Posted by brick View Post
    Crete_Armenoi is different from the Mycenaeans and Minoans, in Lazaridis's PCA it plots with northern Greeks from Thessaloniki. In Gedmatch Crete_Armenoi plots a bit away from modern populations, towards Northern Italians/Tuscans and Bulgarians/Northern Greeks. Crete_Armenoi gets the worst distances in K15.

    Gedmatch Kit Number: Z401678 (Crete_Armenoi I9123)
    Thanks, i am aware that the Armenoi sample is not viewed as Mycenaean or Minoan. Here is what Lazaridis had written a day after the paper was published, https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/status/892931776372498434.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios View Post
    Thanks, i am aware that the Armenoi sample is not viewed as Mycenaean or Minoan. Here is what Lazaridis had written a day after the paper was published, https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/...31776372498434.
    Thanks for posting that. Crete_Armenoi is a low quality sample so it can give unreliable results with Gedmatch.


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