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    Quote Originally Posted by brick View Post
    Crete_Armenoi is different from the Mycenaeans and Minoans, in Lazaridis's PCA it plots with northern Greeks from Thessaloniki. In Gedmatch Crete_Armenoi plots a bit away from modern populations, towards Northern Italians/Tuscans and Bulgarians/Northern Greeks. Crete_Armenoi gets the worst distances in K15.

    Gedmatch Kit Number: Z401678 (Crete_Armenoi I9123)






    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 39.64
    2 Neolithic 34.24
    3 NorthEastEuropean 11.71
    4 Steppe 6.52
    5 Amerindian 2.87
    6 Australian 2.26
    7 Ancestor 2.06


    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 11.663928
    2 Albanian_Albania @ 12.000857
    3 Greek_Athens @ 12.228420
    4 Italian_Tuscany @ 12.684225
    5 Sicilian_Sicily @ 13.045312
    6 Greek_Greece @ 13.209495
    7 Kosovar_Kosovo @ 13.225756
    8 Italian_SouthItaly @ 13.542761
    9 Greek_Peloponnes @ 13.546643
    10 Maltese_Malta @ 13.893864
    11 Greek_Greece @ 13.965723
    12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.261950
    13 Greek_Macedonia @ 15.071374
    14 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 15.338378
    15 Jew_Ashkenazim @ 15.710345
    16 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 15.954588
    17 Corsican_Corsica @ 16.125498
    18 Italian_Bergamo @ 16.229155
    19 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 16.368599
    20 Gagauz_Gagauzia @ 16.508347

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Sardinian_Sardinia +50% Turk_Trabzon @ 9.353472


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Thessaloniki +25% Sardinian_Sardinia +25% Turk_Trabzon @ 7.496452


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Greek_Thessaloniki + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.466018
    2 Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.496452
    3 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.527965
    4 Kosovar_Kosovo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.537002
    5 Albanian_Albania + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.563157
    6 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.573567
    7 Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.576386
    8 Albanian_Albania + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.589819
    9 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.621921
    10 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.625950
    11 Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.651759
    12 Albanian_Albania + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.665133
    13 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.668783
    14 Albanian_Albania + Albanian_Albania + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.686642
    15 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.697384
    16 Italian_Tuscany + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.708766
    17 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.720934
    18 Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.778342
    19 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_NorthIitaly + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.785923
    20 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.811959



    Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle


    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 29.14
    2 Baltic 16.19
    3 North_Atlantic 15.55
    4 East_Med 14.16
    5 Red_Sea 12.66
    6 West_Asian 10.69


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.139467
    2 Bulgarian @ 19.459091
    3 Tuscan @ 19.659492
    4 Central_Greek @ 20.105986
    5 East_Sicilian @ 20.423048
    6 West_Sicilian @ 20.439310
    7 Romanian @ 20.484518
    8 North_Italian @ 20.791340
    9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.877569
    10 South_Italian @ 23.176262
    11 Serbian @ 23.301306
    12 Ashkenazi @ 24.852739
    13 Spanish_Extremadura @ 26.338322
    14 Spanish_Galicia @ 26.537903
    15 Portuguese @ 26.838459
    16 Moldavian @ 26.909927
    17 Algerian_Jewish @ 27.724848
    18 Spanish_Andalucia @ 27.982512
    19 Moroccan @ 28.321758
    20 Spanish_Murcia @ 28.841026

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Moldavian +50% Moroccan @ 14.127831


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Moldavian +25% Sardinian +25% Saudi @ 11.489973


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.156603
    2 Kabardin + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.246059
    3 Kabardin + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.269535
    4 Estonian_Polish + Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.293427
    5 Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 10.332965
    6 Balkar + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.424162
    7 Balkar + Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.442448
    8 Balkar + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.452525
    9 Balkar + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.456155
    10 Kumyk + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.495074
    11 Belorussian + Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.503551
    12 Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Ossetian + Sardinian @ 10.516138
    13 Adygei + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.538552
    14 Adygei + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.546384
    15 Adygei + Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.553177
    16 Adygei + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.560045
    17 Moroccan + Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.561866
    18 Kabardin + Lithuanian + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.568363
    19 Kumyk + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.575541
    20 Kumyk + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.577345

    Done.

    Elapsed time 1.9058 seconds.


    Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 36.43
    2 North_European 21.54
    3 Caucasus 20.53
    4 Southwest_Asian 10.38
    5 Northwest_African 5.63
    6 Gedrosia 4.34
    7 East_Asian 1.15


    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 8.968685
    2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 10.243786
    3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 10.511731
    4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 10.526886
    5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 12.314641
    6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 13.114214
    7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 15.858938
    8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.151669
    9 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 16.735641
    10 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 16.817284
    11 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 17.347780
    12 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 17.713610
    13 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 19.331276
    14 Greek_Dodecad @ 19.624538
    15 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 19.795702
    16 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 19.902699
    17 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.248411
    18 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.746887
    19 Spanish_Dodecad @ 21.090904
    20 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 21.341671

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 3.181978


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Galicia_1000Genomes +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar +25% Romanians_Behar @ 2.797688


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.112039
    2 Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.204129
    3 Aragon_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.213219
    4 Aragon_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.216226
    5 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spanish_Dodecad @ 2.257011
    6 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.261468
    7 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 2.267900
    8 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 2.270832
    9 Canarias_1000Genomes + Cantabria_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.288237
    10 Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.307066
    11 French_Basque_HGDP + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.323120
    12 German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.352118
    13 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Dutch_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.398038
    14 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.468009
    15 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + British_Isles_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Murcia_1000Genomes @ 2.470825
    16 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.472091
    17 Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 2.491874
    18 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.498900
    19 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + British_Isles_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 2.506960
    20 British_Isles_Dodecad + Canarias_1000Genomes + North_Italian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.515589

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 26.42
    2 Atlantic 18.22
    3 West_Asian 14.41
    4 Baltic 14.11
    5 Red_Sea 13.89
    6 East_Med 6.32
    7 Eastern_Euro 3.35
    8 North_Sea 1.74


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Bulgarian @ 23.968235
    2 Tuscan @ 24.014156
    3 Greek @ 24.185492
    4 North_Italian @ 24.485718
    5 Greek_Thessaly @ 25.374260
    6 Romanian @ 25.475012
    7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 26.588182
    8 East_Sicilian @ 26.684841
    9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 26.823009
    10 Central_Greek @ 27.004074
    11 West_Sicilian @ 27.130219
    12 Ashkenazi @ 27.704870
    13 Spanish_Extremadura @ 27.981295
    14 Serbian @ 28.234880
    15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 28.693233
    16 Portuguese @ 28.727505
    17 Spanish_Galicia @ 28.790810
    18 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 28.804472
    19 South_Italian @ 28.889931
    20 Spanish_Valencia @ 29.109421

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Nogay +50% Sardinian @ 19.573439


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Sardinian +25% Turkish +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.136768


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
    1 Estonian_Polish + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.704981
    2 North_Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.742607
    3 Belorussian + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.830244
    4 Lithuanian + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.869636
    5 North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.012613
    6 Balkar + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.031731
    7 Balkar + Estonian_Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.043739
    8 Kabardin + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.052666
    9 Adygei + Estonian_Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.070629
    10 Adygei + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.083134
    11 Estonian_Polish + Kabardin + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.085138
    12 Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + North_Ossetian + Sardinian @ 16.105034
    13 North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 16.128746
    14 Balkar + Belorussian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.131834
    15 Moroccan + North_Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 16.135401
    16 Balkar + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.151211
    17 Estonian_Polish + Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.152056
    18 Belorussian + Kabardin + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.176079
    19 Adygei + Belorussian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.179466
    20 North_Ossetian + Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.189388
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    I wonder if that is from the 2017 submission, or the 2018 one. I noticed there was a re-upload of the BAM files. The coordinates I made are from the 2018 version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios View Post
    Yeah, it appears i am a typical Peloponnesian, which means intermediary location between Thessaloniki and Southern Italians, the latter evidently clustering with the Mycenaeans and the Philistine sample in question. By the way, what is the designation of the BA Armenoi sample on the PCA?
    All my known ancestors are also from the Peloponnese (mostly Arcadia but one ancestor may have come from Laconia). I haven’t taken an autosomal ancestry test, but a relative did, with maybe typical results: Greek/Balkans/Italian. I imagine that based on the Peloponnesian academic study, I should cluster with you and others. Any recommendation on which company I should use, where the results can also be analyzed like they are in the model above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphie Boy View Post
    All my known ancestors are also from the Peloponnese (mostly Arcadia but one ancestor may have come from Laconia). I haven’t taken an autosomal ancestry test, but a relative did, with maybe typical results: Greek/Balkans/Italian. I imagine that based on the Peloponnesian academic study, I should cluster with you and others. Any recommendation on which company I should use, where the results can also be analyzed like they are in the model above?
    The mother of my paternal grandfather also hailed from Arcadia. Anyway, regarding the autosomal tests, i have only tried MyHeritage, which is very cheap if you order it during a discount season. I ordered it during the last Black Friday, when the price had reached 49$. Now it's 79$ which defeats the aforementioned purpose. But, even before i made the order i wasn't that interested in the autosomal results of any of these commercial companies, simply in acquiring my raw data, which i then uploaded on a number of other websites/platforms that were much more informative in terms of my autosomal background. I can help you as far as my current knowledge goes through PM when you do order and get your results. By the way, i sent you a PM approximately 2 weeks ago, have you seen it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios View Post
    The mother of my paternal grandfather also hailed from Arcadia. Anyway, regarding the autosomal tests, i have only tried MyHeritage, which is very cheap if you order it during a discount season. I ordered it during the last Black Friday, when the price had reached 49$. Now it's 79$ which defeats the aforementioned purpose. But, even before i made the order i wasn't that interested in the autosomal results of any of these commercial companies, simply in acquiring my raw data, which i then uploaded on a number of other websites/platforms that were much more informative in terms of my autosomal background. I can help you as far as my current knowledge goes through PM when you do order and get your results. By the way, i sent you a PM approximately 2 weeks ago, have you seen it?
    Got your PM and responded. Thanks so much for writing and sorry I didn’t see it sooner.

    You put it well—raw data. That’s what I’m interested in, getting the raw data and running it in the calculators. I was previously urged to take an autosomal test and ought to do it.

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