The fact is there is actually not a single shred of evidence to link modern Hay people to ancient Armenians, the names of Armenians in the Old Persian texts, like Dadarshi, never sound modern Armenian, it is not clear when Hay people migrated to Armenia but it certainly didn't happen before 500 BC. Names of Orontid kings of Armenia are also either Iranian or Urartian, I think modern Armenians came from Balkan after the fall of Achaemenid empire, they were probably some soldiers of Alexander of Macedonia.
That’s actually untrue. Yervand (probably connected to Hittite Aruwanda/Arnuwanda as much as Iranian Arruant, as for the Orontids, they were possibly native Armenian who were propped by the Iranians and who subsequently mixed with Iranians), Arakha, Argisti, Daias, and Arame/u/a all had acceptible Armenian etymologies (all these names besides Daias are still used—not sure how they could sound modern—they’re ancient). Khaldita was probably an Armenian-Urartian cross. Dardarshish is probably Iranian. Genetically Armenians are linked to the native peoples of the region. Linguistically, all major linguists who have studied Armenian suggest Armenians have been in the Armenia-region since at least 1200 BCE, but many researchers, such as Diakonoff, Greppin, Zimansky, Smeed, and I believe Vaux (none Armenian), suggest that Armenian formed in close proximity, and had very early exposure to, Hurro-Urartian and Kartvelian languages. They were certainly were not Grecian or whatever you think (Armenian isn’t even an Apple Language, nor does it use a “Wheel” term). Diakonoff was a proponent of the Balkan theory. The others were either Balkan agnostic or rejected it. Incidentally, according to that Nature article that I linked you (a major, respected peer reviewed publication) that I’m sure you didn’t look at, the Armenian ethnogenesis completed by 1200 BCE so your argument is basically impossible. Additionally, an earlier Armenian presence in supported by Reich, I think Wang, and even our Pip’s research. Like your Germanic “theory”, your reactionary Armenian “theory” is not based on archaeological, historical, or genetic records...at all. Why not read up on the ceramic cultures of Transcaucasia and Eastern Asia Minor during the Bronze Age collapse? Which direction was the ceramic culture migrating? I suppose that these potters were the same Germanics, who had constructed the 3rd millennium Indo-European grave complexes in Armenia, Georgia, and eastern Turkey? And where is the record of Armenians/Hyes in the Balkans? Surely by Alexander’s time there’d be a record of them. That suggestion if yours is just asinine. Also, if you think Greeks were in Iran 10 million years ago or whatever, and Armenians are closest to Greeks linguistically, wouldn’t it stand to reason that Armenians originated in Asia Minor according to your own argument?
We cannot prove that the modern Greeks are Ellenes or Rum or that the Deutsche are Germans or Alemanni or even that modern Persians are connected to ancient Parsi or that anybody in the ancient world was really connected to anybody today at all. Also, there’s no proof of Persians in northern Iran before 600 BCE.
Go to any university, probably even in Iran, and ask the Department of Hisory or Anthropology if they support the Shintashta theory of Indo-Aryan origins. Considering that they probably believe in linguistics, genetics, and archaeology, they’ll tell you yes.
So you’re either a) showing your ignorance now b) showing your anger over your crackpot theory of Germanic Aryan-ness being rejected or c) tr*lling. Or all of the above. Your “theories” (or so-called facts to you) are DOA.
Don’t you think if there were a Germanic/Iranian connection German linguists (highly respected in the fields of linguistics and anthropology) would have established this a long time ago? When your most notable ideological counterpart in terms of history and genetics is Adolf Hitler, I think you might want to reconsider your views.
See, the thing is, most people develop a theory or abandon it when presented with new or legitimate opposing information. You do not. You are not arguing in good faith at all. Your recent responses are testament to it.
I’m out of this thread. There’s no point. This has become a cause that you’re the sole champion for for some reason based not on any knowledge of history, archaeology, genetics, linguistics, or really anything but on faith, feelings, and wishful and wistful dreams.
Sorry to have bruised your ego and nationalistic pride. I just believe in science and not frivolous fantasy.
