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Thread: Actual Medieval Rurikid DNA - not from modern people who claim descent from Rurik

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    I do not think people from Veneto , Italy have significant East European or NE European or Baltic admixture, that the Slavs brought.

    Now back to the thread, that Southern DMA of Gleb is West/East Balkanic ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    if you have a more recent paper than this below......let me know
    The only issue I have is that the town Oderzo was an shared illyrian/venetic trading town.........it was a place amber was traded , as the illyrians got the amber in modern Vienna and traded in oderzo

    https://www.academia.edu/5857512/On_...ard=view-paper
    Thanks for the link: I had a glance at it, very quickly; it needs more acute reading to weight the diverse ressemblances/differences - ATW you 're right: Sergent's book is of just before the 2000's, yours is of 2012 (seemingly) -

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    Quote Originally Posted by td120 View Post
    I see an overwhelming number of German , Scandinavian , Italian and Spanish etc. flags here:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120/

    Or maybe its carriers among Goths all perished in battle ...
    Overwhelming?? Where did you get Spanish?? This is the breakdown not including unknown kits on Y-full. All come from one man in 200BC....

    Northern/Western/South Western Europe - Italy(2), Sweden(3), Germany(8), Switzerland(1)

    Central/East/North-East/South-East Europe - Russia(25), Poland(22), Ukraine(19), Serbia(12), Bulgaria(10), Bosnia(10), Belarus(9), Croatia(9), Hungary(7), Montenegro(6), Czech(6), Slovak(4), Romania(4), Moldova(3), Lithuania(3), Latvia(2),

    Greece(12 - most of which forms an older Greek specific branch shared with E-European Jews)

    Also, Y-Full only listed full genome sequenced tests uploaded. There are testers in FTDNA who arent on Y-Full, including YSEQ testers. I2a1b-CTS10228 is overwhelmingly dominated by Slavs.

    Even L1029 is more common in west Slavs, Germans, Scandinavians with a wider spread all over europe, even a couple cases in England and you don't see anyone denying its demographic expansion with Slavs. The case is even more obvious with I2a1b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    ..............
    Dude, just stop. You have been educated, and spoon-fed detail by detail on I2a1b-Din and its Slavic origin. Its earliest ancestor being in western europe during the neolithic doesn't mean they stayed there. Almost 100 percent of I2a1b men today are all Slavs and most of these men descend from one man in 200BC. Beginning to sound like a broken record. On 2 genetics sites, spewing your same nonsense that people who have way more understanding of genetics than you or me have told you already.

    I2a1b is big in Romania, we get it. You don't wan't to acknowledge Slavs had a big impact in your land. Don't think anyone falls for your game though. You're willfully ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Papadimitriou View Post
    These estimates may change though and they have changed in the past too.
    Concerning 'paleo-Balkan' lineages you should see the subclades. Even if an haplogroup is 'paleo-Balkan' back migrations are possible.
    A 'Greek' lineage returning to Greece as a Goth, Bulgar, Slav,Vlach, Albanian and whatnot is something that could have happened.
    Could have sure. These are not one of those cases. The only branch we can say had no participation in Slavic migrations may well be the Greek Isolate branch shared with some East European Jews.

    Nearly 100 percent of I2a1b carriers are Slavic, and even the non-Slavs have common ancestors within the last 1500-2000 years. The only Paleo-Balkan lines alive today that are I2, are I2a2a clades minimally found in Albanians, Greeks, and Bulgarians. The Greek cluster could have entered the Balkans earlier with a Proto-Slavic/Balto-Slavic guy that could have arrived with Bastarnae into Macedonia during the time of Phillip.

    This is largely specific to mostly Greeks for now. So old Baltic, and Proto-Slavic guys who joined Greek colonies on the black sea coast could have also brought it to Greece.

    This isn't the case for the rest of it which matches perfectly with the Slavic migration, even more so than some Balto-Slavic R1a branches. People just aren't comfortable with the idea they don't descend from their paleo-proto-ancestor of their nation. Y-Chromosome is just a fraction of thousands and thousands of Y & X ancestors who contributed generations of genes to us.

    My own line is probably Proto-Slavic too. Yet I have a Albanian haplotype/founder effect. Last 1200 years ancestor was most likely Albanian, before that most likely Slavic. So my ancestors participated in the late proto-Albanian/Albanian ethnogenesis and expanded from there. Yet, his ancestor was not Illyrian. Every ethnogenesis involved mixing.

    No point in making mental hurdles. Doesn't make anyone special to be descended from this guy or the next. Cool yea, special no. Every man makes himself. I am sure there are plenty pathetic ****** who descend from Kings and great men descended from the poor or down trodden. People cling to the past. Those people never knew or had anything to do with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    if you have a more recent paper than this below......let me know
    The only issue I have is that the town Oderzo was an shared illyrian/venetic trading town.........it was a place amber was traded , as the illyrians got the amber in modern Vienna and traded in oderzo

    https://www.academia.edu/5857512/On_...ard=view-paper
    I read it. Interesting. I stay puzzled, sure of nothing.
    the paper speaks of the Celtic Veneti of Brittany. What it says is often true, but the explanations of the causes of breton Venetic (Vannetais or Gwenedeg) appearent closeness to old Venetic trends are a bit too quickly made. Gwenedeg is the dialect I speak, and the [dj] to[zh] evolution in it is exceptionnel and purely individual, under French evolution. And French as a whole is closer to modern Slavic phonetic evolutions than ths Breton dialect, you can trust in me. So the continental Celts had some ties with Slavs? Or it's rather a similar substrata influence? Or it is just hazard (I don't like it, it's true).

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    "to rely on me", better!
    ATW, I'm not sure at all old continental Venetic influence is responsible for Slavics evolution. I doubt.

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