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Thread: I1 in the Balkans

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    Hello,

    if your friend's family comes from Asia Minor, then he may be related to the Gothograeci.
    They lived in the region of Gothograecia (Opsikion) in the western part of Asia Minor, near Bursa/Prusa in present day Turkey.

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    There were a few different Gothic groups in the Balkans, the Thracian Goths, the Moesian Goths and the Pannonian Goths. Goths were also settled in Macedonia. They were part of the Ostrogoths and active in the 4th, fifth and 6th centuries. The Gothograeci were resettled Goths from an elite military unit, the Optimates. They are a later gothic group from the 8th to the 10th century.

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    Smallish update
    The newly formed subclade (still only on the live YTree version) under Y16808 which includes my friend and the Pomak.

    According to a fellow greek user on another site the TMRCA will most probably be around 1500 ybp so right around the age of the Balkan Goths as you say.

    Does anyone know from the various pages/sites how many Greeks are currently known to be under I-L22 in general ?
    I have found only 2 on the I1 and the Greek dna ftdna pages, one from Peloponnese and one from Paros I think.
    Most of the I1 greeks that I have seen are on different subclades ( I-Z58 ? ) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    There were a few different Gothic groups in the Balkans, the Thracian Goths, the Moesian Goths and the Pannonian Goths. Goths were also settled in Macedonia. They were part of the Ostrogoths and active in the 4th, fifth and 6th centuries. The Gothograeci were resettled Goths from an elite military unit, the Optimates. They are a later gothic group from the 8th to the 10th century.

    I am not quite sure, but I think that the Goths that had settled in Macedonia left for Italy during the reign of the king Theodoric.
    The Moesian/Thracian Goths were probably assimilated into the Bulgarian ethnicity, while the Gothogreaci were assimilated into the Byzantine Romans.

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    So much informative information in this thread. I am FTDNA I-M253 (I1a), and downstream to I-Z58 (acc to 23andme). Just ordered Biy Y for more definitive result. Thanks for all the info folks!

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    Post I1 on the Balkans

    Because it turned out that I am also this haplogroup I1, I was interested in how it happened and it has come to the Balkans and I made the following conclusions:

    1. First, I1 haplogroup has roots somewhere in Central Europ during the late Paleolit when it separated from the main branch I. After that it appeared in the Scandinavian Peninsula around 3000 year BC, later migrated again to the British Isles and Northern Europe, somewhere in the middle of the Bronze Age 1700 BC.
    2. The first massive migrations of this group were with the celts came from central Europe 400 years BC.
    3. The second wave was with the Goths between 3 and 4 centuries during the Goth-Roman wars. After that with the Alano-Goths invasions 5-6 centuries AD. With the Balto-Slavo-Germanic tribes settled on the Balkans 6-7 centuries. And also with the ostrogoths came probably with Bulgarians from the region of the Crimean peninsula 7-8 century.

    4. Another way for I1 to come to the Balkans were variangian invasions from Kievan Rus in the 10th century AD and Viking mercenaries served in the Eastern Roman Empire
    5. The Normans and the Latin Empire, which they founded in the 13th century, are another possible way for the branches of this haplogroup to end up to the Balkans.
    6. And the last way I found and the least known are the Saxon miners, called also by the locals - Sasi, who came to the Balkans in the 13th-14th centuries, invited by the local kings of Serbia, Bosnia and Bulgaria to mine iron ore and produce high-quality steel needed for production of weapons and tools for household and agriculture works.

    Here is some information from Wikipedia about the Saxon miners (Sassi) in Serbia.

    The earliest mention of the Saxons in Serbia is from 1253-54, which shows them as an established community. These Saxons, or Sassi, inhabited the Kingdom of Serbia during the reign of Stefan Uroš I (b. 1243–1276), from the Kingdom of Hungary. Under Stefan Uros I, Serbia became a significant power in the Balkans, in part due to economic development through the opening of mines. The mines were developed by Sassi, who had experience in mining. Their minefields had a privileged status - they lived by their own laws and were allowed to adhere to Catholicism and build their churches. The mines include Barskovo, Novo Bardo and others.

    Greetings
    Last edited by Kristiyan; 13-06-21 at 21:58.

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