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    Urnfield culture and R-Z93

    This site https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/ shows that 2-3 subclades of R-Z93 belonged to people of Urnfield culture. I thought that this culture had nothing to do with Indo-Iranians. Does it make any sense? Could anyone enlighten me?

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    I don't think so.

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    I think it relates to Indo-European migrations (Centum branch), not Indo-Iranian, in 1900 BC Indo-Iranians gradually migrated from the east and centum-speaking people migrated to Europe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    I think it relates to Indo-European migrations (Centum branch), not Indo-Iranian, in 1900 BC Indo-Iranians gradually migrated from the east and centum-speaking people migrated to Europe.

    Check the subclade R-YP5153. It appears that it was part of Urnfield culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    Check the subclade R-YP5153. It appears that it was part of Urnfield culture.
    That is also a subclade of R-Z2124, the original land was in the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    That is also a subclade of R-Z2124, the original land was in the Middle East.
    So which populations does it come from? I think it has to do with Scytho-Cimmerian branch of Srubna culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    That is also a subclade of R-Z2124, the original land was in the Middle East.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/

    no, it is not
    it is Sintashta culture and origin is Abashevo culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/

    no, it is not
    it is Sintashta culture and origin is Abashevo culture
    Yes but in 4700 ybp (2700 BC), in 1900 BC it was in the east of Iran and from this land it went to Europe.

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    I found it using "My Ancestors' Path"

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    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    This site https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/ shows that 2-3 subclades of R-Z93 belonged to people of Urnfield culture. I thought that this culture had nothing to do with Indo-Iranians. Does it make any sense? Could anyone enlighten me?
    which subclades are they?
    and what is their TMRCA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    which subclades are they?
    and what is their TMRCA?
    It is for sure R-YP5153 with TMRCA 2700 ybp. I also think there is a subclade under Y-57 but I have to check it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    It is for sure R-YP5153 with TMRCA 2700 ybp. I also think there is a subclade under Y-57 but I have to check it again.
    this could be

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP4768/

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    Yes it is YP4768 and a subclade of Y52 the YP1269 which appear to be part of Urnfield culture. The first of the eastern Urnfield and the second of the Central.

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    It is good to mention that Ossetians, the descendents of Scytho-Sarmatians in Russia, have no R1a too, however R1a has a high frequency in other parts of Russia.

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    Oh dear Lord, R1a-Z93 has nothing to do with the Urnfield culture! Urnfield culture was proto-Celtic, mostly R1b-U152 and R1b-U106 with western R1a minority clades R1a-L664 and R1a-M458.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    Oh dear Lord, R1a-Z93 has nothing to do with the Urnfield culture! Urnfield culture was proto-Celtic, mostly R1b-U152 and R1b-U106 with western R1a minority clades R1a-L664 and R1a-M458.
    Of course not proto-Celtic but probably Tyrrhenian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    Oh dear Lord, R1a-Z93 has nothing to do with the Urnfield culture! Urnfield culture was proto-Celtic, mostly R1b-U152 and R1b-U106 with western R1a minority clades R1a-L664 and R1a-M458.
    Where did these calls come from, including your own? The only one I'm aware of is R1a1a1b1a, which at least fits OK with the autosomal data.

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