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    To those of you who suggest gedmatch, can you recommend which calculators would be best? There are so many and I am not sure if I should do the ones that have population search and put in Greek or Albanian.

    I tried this one out. The 4 population thing is confusing.

    puntDNAL K10 Ancient 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.


    puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 39.34
    2 WHG 29.27
    3 CHG 28.75
    4 Oceanian 1.10

    Finished reading population data. 108 populations found.
    10 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek @ 2.333421
    2 Albanian @ 3.512589
    3 Tuscan @ 6.480075
    4 Italian_South @ 7.253003
    5 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 8.075044
    6 Bulgarian @ 9.423691
    7 Sicilian @ 10.697453
    8 Italian_North @ 11.120453
    9 Sephardic_Jew @ 16.712898
    10 French @ 17.306381
    11 Turkish_Aydin @ 17.963797
    12 Spanish_Southwest @ 18.936243
    13 Croatian @ 19.158979
    14 Cypriot @ 19.582474
    15 German_South @ 19.691244
    16 Hungarian @ 20.031837
    17 Spanish_Northeast @ 20.457567
    18 Turkish_Kayseri @ 21.346851
    19 Utahn_white @ 21.820383
    20 Irish @ 22.270975

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Cypriot @ 1.481397

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Spanish_Northeast +25% Ashkenazi_Jew +25% Georgian @ 1.322121

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Lithuanian + Sardinian + Cypriot + Georgian @ 0.822851
    2 Ukrainian + Sardinian + Ashkenazi_Jew + Georgian @ 0.881984
    3 Spanish_Southwest + Italian_North + Tuscan + Georgian @ 1.003079
    4 Basque_Spanish + French + Cypriot + Georgian @ 1.015974
    5 Estonian + Sardinian + Cypriot + Georgian @ 1.024596
    6 Basque_Spanish + Albanian + Ashkenazi_Jew + Georgian @ 1.067165
    7 Spanish_Northeast + Tuscan + Tuscan + Georgian @ 1.071665
    8 Spanish_Southwest + Italian_North + Albanian + Georgian @ 1.075078
    9 Croatian + Tuscan + Italian_South + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.083643
    10 French + Tuscan + Albanian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.149891
    11 Croatian + Italian_South + Italian_South + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.157171
    12 German_North + Spanish_Northeast + Cypriot + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.160961
    13 German_North + Sardinian + Ashkenazi_Jew + Abkhasian @ 1.187494
    14 German_South + French + Sephardic_Jew + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.198888
    15 Croatian + Tuscan + Tuscan + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.203050
    16 Basque_Spanish + Sardinian + Kumyk + Georgian @ 1.204618
    17 Croatian + Italian_North + Sicilian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.207604
    18 German_South + Tuscan + Italian_South + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.208872
    19 Hungarian + Sardinian + Greek + Georgian @ 1.213698
    20 Spanish_Northeast + Italian_North + Italian_South + Georgian @ 1.226791


    Done.
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    This is the result using Oracle instead of Oracle-4 above without doing a Greek population search.

    puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 39.34
    2 WHG 29.27
    3 CHG 28.75
    4 Oceanian 1.1
    5 Siberian 0.89
    6 Sub-Saharan 0.64

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek 2.31
    2 Albanian 3.42
    3 Tuscan 6.21
    4 Italian_South 6.95
    5 Ashkenazi_Jew 7.88
    6 Bulgarian 9.12
    7 Sicilian 10.33
    8 Italian_North 10.68
    9 Sephardic_Jew 16.22
    10 French 16.72
    11 Turkish_Aydin 17.34
    12 Spanish_Southwest 18.09
    13 Croatian 18.56
    14 Cypriot 18.99
    15 German_South 19.08
    16 Hungarian 19.43
    17 Spanish_Northeast 19.59
    18 Turkish_Kayseri 20.54
    19 Utahn_white 21.14
    20 Irish 21.59

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 79.6% Tuscan + 20.4% Kumyk @ 1.09
    2 91.2% Albanian + 8.8% Georgian @ 1.34
    3 64.4% Spanish_Southwest + 35.6% Georgian @ 1.39
    4 50.6% Croatian + 49.4% Cypriot @ 1.46
    5 82.9% Tuscan + 17.1% North_Ossetian @ 1.46
    6 94.8% Greek + 5.2% Georgian @ 1.46
    7 91.8% Albanian + 8.2% Abkhasian @ 1.49
    8 83.6% Tuscan + 16.4% Lezgin @ 1.51
    9 93.3% Greek + 6.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.52
    10 56.3% Cypriot + 43.7% German_North @ 1.54
    11 88.9% Albanian + 11.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.58
    12 52.7% Cypriot + 47.3% Utahn_white @ 1.58
    13 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Abkhasian @ 1.58
    14 94.2% Greek + 5.8% Armenian @ 1.62
    15 64.3% French + 35.7% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.67
    16 61.1% Cypriot + 38.9% Norwegian @ 1.68
    17 81.6% Tuscan + 18.4% Chechen @ 1.69
    18 93.9% Greek + 6.1% Kumyk @ 1.7
    19 55% Cypriot + 45% English_South @ 1.7
    20 94% Greek + 6% Kurdish @ 1.71
    Last edited by inanna1111; 02-09-19 at 21:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    I asked you about this:
    Probably a bit exaggerated. The right figure should be 25%. I had in mind the amount of I1+I2a+R1a+R1b that is clearly of Slavic or North origin. I am aware not all of those haplogroups are of those origins, but if you add parts of them you come out to that figure.

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    I went to secondary school and worked with two Albanian immigrants, one of whom was named Illyri. Greece's imperial relationships with Persia and Rome often overshadow the most obvious indigenous basis of Hellenic identity in the Balkans, chiefly Illyricum. It's sad that Yugoslavian identity overwhelms Macedonia's Greek heritage, same as the Turks in Constantinople and Cyprus, although Anatolia is further afield.

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    @inanna1111, please don't get too caught up in the genetics or even your family tree. You are who you are no matter who your ancestors are. People get too caught up in this. Be proud of who you are now. I grew up in a village that was 90% Arvanites. Besides the fact that they spoke Arvanitika, very lovely people and I had a lot of friends from among the Arvanites community. So no matter what your ancestry tells you, be yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    Probably a bit exaggerated. The right figure should be 25%. I had in mind the amount of I1+I2a+R1a+R1b that is clearly of Slavic or North origin. I am aware not all of those haplogroups are of those origins, but if you add parts of them you come out to that figure.
    I1 and for sure R1b are not Slavic arrival's into early medieval Balkans. For now haplogroups most associated with Slavic arrival are R1a and I2a-CTS10228, however according to Albanian project these can be found around 20 % together in Tosks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    That calculator does not have Albanian cluster defined and they just throw Albanians into Greek cluster. Its a low quality calculator to be honest.

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