Insights needed on Greek and Albanian ancestry

Its in Albanian: "Gjenetika Shqiptare". Its a pie chart very well designed. With Slavic I mean haplogroup I2a the slavic clade, some of R1a and with Gothic I1 and some of I2a2a

I thought you had found another one :). The Tosk sample is actually close to 300. Anyway this is Y-DNA lines; autosomal DNA might be a bit different. Ausotomally, there could be a higher input from Neolithic Balkan peoples and lower one from Medieval arrivals. It is true that Albanians and Greeks share some ancestral components.

I responded to you but for some reason it is waiting for approval. I have to get used to how this forum works since it is different from forums I mod. I am not sure if you will see this but just wanted to let you know.

Yeah I cannot see it for some reason. Anyway, hope it helped.
 
I am curious to see your reults. I could help you to interpret them if you have any questions.

Cool, that would be great. :)
 
Yeah I cannot see it for some reason. Anyway, hope it helped.
I am not sure what I said in my reply that may need mod approval as I wrote it in a stream of thought but yes it was helpful and made me think about some things. :)
 
To those of you who suggest gedmatch, can you recommend which calculators would be best? There are so many and I am not sure if I should do the ones that have population search and put in Greek or Albanian.

I tried this one out. The 4 population thing is confusing.

puntDNAL K10 Ancient 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.


puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 39.34
2 WHG 29.27
3 CHG 28.75
4 Oceanian 1.10

Finished reading population data. 108 populations found.
10 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 2.333421
2 Albanian @ 3.512589
3 Tuscan @ 6.480075
4 Italian_South @ 7.253003
5 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 8.075044
6 Bulgarian @ 9.423691
7 Sicilian @ 10.697453
8 Italian_North @ 11.120453
9 Sephardic_Jew @ 16.712898
10 French @ 17.306381
11 Turkish_Aydin @ 17.963797
12 Spanish_Southwest @ 18.936243
13 Croatian @ 19.158979
14 Cypriot @ 19.582474
15 German_South @ 19.691244
16 Hungarian @ 20.031837
17 Spanish_Northeast @ 20.457567
18 Turkish_Kayseri @ 21.346851
19 Utahn_white @ 21.820383
20 Irish @ 22.270975

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Cypriot @ 1.481397

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Northeast +25% Ashkenazi_Jew +25% Georgian @ 1.322121

Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Lithuanian + Sardinian + Cypriot + Georgian @ 0.822851
2 Ukrainian + Sardinian + Ashkenazi_Jew + Georgian @ 0.881984
3 Spanish_Southwest + Italian_North + Tuscan + Georgian @ 1.003079
4 Basque_Spanish + French + Cypriot + Georgian @ 1.015974
5 Estonian + Sardinian + Cypriot + Georgian @ 1.024596
6 Basque_Spanish + Albanian + Ashkenazi_Jew + Georgian @ 1.067165
7 Spanish_Northeast + Tuscan + Tuscan + Georgian @ 1.071665
8 Spanish_Southwest + Italian_North + Albanian + Georgian @ 1.075078
9 Croatian + Tuscan + Italian_South + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.083643
10 French + Tuscan + Albanian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.149891
11 Croatian + Italian_South + Italian_South + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.157171
12 German_North + Spanish_Northeast + Cypriot + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.160961
13 German_North + Sardinian + Ashkenazi_Jew + Abkhasian @ 1.187494
14 German_South + French + Sephardic_Jew + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.198888
15 Croatian + Tuscan + Tuscan + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.203050
16 Basque_Spanish + Sardinian + Kumyk + Georgian @ 1.204618
17 Croatian + Italian_North + Sicilian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.207604
18 German_South + Tuscan + Italian_South + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.208872
19 Hungarian + Sardinian + Greek + Georgian @ 1.213698
20 Spanish_Northeast + Italian_North + Italian_South + Georgian @ 1.226791


Done.
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This is the result using Oracle instead of Oracle-4 above without doing a Greek population search.

puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 39.34
2 WHG 29.27
3 CHG 28.75
4 Oceanian 1.1
5 Siberian 0.89
6 Sub-Saharan 0.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 2.31
2 Albanian 3.42
3 Tuscan 6.21
4 Italian_South 6.95
5 Ashkenazi_Jew 7.88
6 Bulgarian 9.12
7 Sicilian 10.33
8 Italian_North 10.68
9 Sephardic_Jew 16.22
10 French 16.72
11 Turkish_Aydin 17.34
12 Spanish_Southwest 18.09
13 Croatian 18.56
14 Cypriot 18.99
15 German_South 19.08
16 Hungarian 19.43
17 Spanish_Northeast 19.59
18 Turkish_Kayseri 20.54
19 Utahn_white 21.14
20 Irish 21.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.6% Tuscan + 20.4% Kumyk @ 1.09
2 91.2% Albanian + 8.8% Georgian @ 1.34
3 64.4% Spanish_Southwest + 35.6% Georgian @ 1.39
4 50.6% Croatian + 49.4% Cypriot @ 1.46
5 82.9% Tuscan + 17.1% North_Ossetian @ 1.46
6 94.8% Greek + 5.2% Georgian @ 1.46
7 91.8% Albanian + 8.2% Abkhasian @ 1.49
8 83.6% Tuscan + 16.4% Lezgin @ 1.51
9 93.3% Greek + 6.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.52
10 56.3% Cypriot + 43.7% German_North @ 1.54
11 88.9% Albanian + 11.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.58
12 52.7% Cypriot + 47.3% Utahn_white @ 1.58
13 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Abkhasian @ 1.58
14 94.2% Greek + 5.8% Armenian @ 1.62
15 64.3% French + 35.7% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.67
16 61.1% Cypriot + 38.9% Norwegian @ 1.68
17 81.6% Tuscan + 18.4% Chechen @ 1.69
18 93.9% Greek + 6.1% Kumyk @ 1.7
19 55% Cypriot + 45% English_South @ 1.7
20 94% Greek + 6% Kurdish @ 1.71
 
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I asked you about this:

Probably a bit exaggerated. The right figure should be 25%. I had in mind the amount of I1+I2a+R1a+R1b that is clearly of Slavic or North origin. I am aware not all of those haplogroups are of those origins, but if you add parts of them you come out to that figure.
 
I went to secondary school and worked with two Albanian immigrants, one of whom was named Illyri. Greece's imperial relationships with Persia and Rome often overshadow the most obvious indigenous basis of Hellenic identity in the Balkans, chiefly Illyricum. It's sad that Yugoslavian identity overwhelms Macedonia's Greek heritage, same as the Turks in Constantinople and Cyprus, although Anatolia is further afield.
 
@inanna1111, please don't get too caught up in the genetics or even your family tree. You are who you are no matter who your ancestors are. People get too caught up in this. Be proud of who you are now. I grew up in a village that was 90% Arvanites. Besides the fact that they spoke Arvanitika, very lovely people and I had a lot of friends from among the Arvanites community. So no matter what your ancestry tells you, be yourself.
 
Probably a bit exaggerated. The right figure should be 25%. I had in mind the amount of I1+I2a+R1a+R1b that is clearly of Slavic or North origin. I am aware not all of those haplogroups are of those origins, but if you add parts of them you come out to that figure.
I1 and for sure R1b are not Slavic arrival's into early medieval Balkans. For now haplogroups most associated with Slavic arrival are R1a and I2a-CTS10228, however according to Albanian project these can be found around 20 % together in Tosks.



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