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    Insights needed on Greek and Albanian ancestry

    I hope this is the right subforum. If not maybe someone could move it for me.

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    1. Greek (4.527)
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    I don't usually respond to my own posts but Mytrueancestry got me thinking about my other ancient ancestry results from Geno 2.0 as well as my ancestry from My Heritage and Ancestry DNA. I found this forum after I paid for the above . I wanted to find out how well it correlates with other ancestry results and what I know of my family. I don't know if the novelty of this has worn off now for some of you but I will put it here in case someone has some insights to offer.

    On my mother's side, my family has lived in Karpenisi for generations. My grandfather comes from a village that my mother says only had about 100 residents when she was a child. Google now puts it somewhere between 100-200. Her mother is from the Village of Fourna which only has about 625 residents, from a recent google search. Probably less when my grandmother moved away to live with my grandfather. I doubt many of these people are doing dna tests which makes it hard to find any live matches to ask. On my mother's side the women in her maternal line all had blonde hair and blue eys which apparently has skipped me for some reason as I didn't get the blue eyes. I have heard some say this is impossible for Greeks but I assure them we are Greeks going back as far as word or mouth and lands passed down for generations goes. My DNA and my mother's confirms this as she got even higher % of Greek on her test than I did . Not sure if the eyes and hair are all that relevant but thought I would mention it.

    What I know about my father is that his family has Greek, Arvanite and some more recent Albanian ancestry. One of his parents is Greek and the other has both Arvanite and recent Albanian ancestry. For some reason when I mention this to American Greeks this is controversial which I do not understand. My mother only acknowledged he is half Albanian after I took a DNA test. I grew up thinking both of them were Greek. I feel a bit cheated for not being told, at least when I was older. I understand my mother wanted me to fully embrace my Greek heritage but still... I felt bit of an alien my whole life, as if I knew something was off.

    I was born in Lamia. I lived with my parents in Malesina as a small child. I moved with my mother to the USA a few years later.

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    "My Maternal Lineage Began About 150,000 Years Ago.
    My maternal ancestors carried farming culture from the region of the Fertile Crescent into Europe. This revolutionized not only the way food was grown but introduced a shift from a nomadic lifestyle to a settled one. Changes to tools, pottery, and weapons may not otherwise have been possible. Thus, my cousins have played an important role in the history of the Fertile Crescent region and of Europe."

    Your Regional Ancestry
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    I Am
    52% Southern Europe
    31% Asia Minor
    15% Eastern Europe
    2% Jewish Diaspora

    Your First Reference Population: Greek

    This reference population is based on native populations from Greece. The large Southern European and Asia Minor components reflect the strong influence of agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East, who arrived here more than 10,000 years ago. The smaller Eastern European component likely comes from the pre-agricultural population of Europe. Today, this component predominates in northern European populations, while the Mediterranean component is more common in southern Europe.

    Your Second Reference Population: Iberian (Spain & Portugal)

    This reference population is based on groups native to Iberia, the peninsula of Spain and Portugal. The large Southern Europe component reflects the strong influence of agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East who arrived here some 10,000 years ago. While the Western European and Great Britain and Ireland components likely come from mixture with neighboring groups with genetic links to the pre-agricultural population of Europe—the earlier settlers. The North African component reflects the historic migration of populations north across the Strait of Gibraltar into Iberia in the past 2,000 years.

    NEANDERTHAL
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    Ancestry DNA

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    Greece & the Balkans 94%
    Greece, Turkey & Albania
    Eastern Europe & Russia 3%
    Italy 3%
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    My Heritage

    Europe 98.9%

    South Europe 83.7%
    Greek and South Italian 80.3%
    Iberian 3.4%

    East Europe 13.9%
    Balkan 13.9%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 1.3%

    West Africa 1.1%
    Nigerian
    1.1%
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    DNA.Land

    West Eurasian 100%
    Balkan 78%
    Includes: Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria and Greek in (2 sites) Greece

    Mediterranean Islander 22% (It has 22% ashkenazi/levantine when I click on the blue under this)
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    I just wonder if all this aligns with Mytrueancestry results and whether I should pay for the highest level for more information. I have no way of finding out anything about my father's side of my family which is unfortunate. We have not heard from him since we moved to the USA. I have no brothers to get Y-DNA from which makes me feel like something in missing and will remain a mystery without the paternal line. I also cannot find anything meaningful related to my mtDNA other than it has been labeled rare by some sites. So that's kind of my story. I used my dna mostly to find out about my health traits before I got interested in ancestry.

    Mytrueancestry also matched me with an Egyptian sample in deep dive which I suppose might be related to the bit of Nigerian shown above in My Heritage? I have not really seen African ancestry on anything else. Most of my friends do not show African on their's.

    tl;dr

    Should I pay for the highest level on the site to see if I can learn more of my father's side or is that unlikely? Could I narrow the paternal line possibilities down at least to figure out what random dna I got from each parent?


    Edit:I just noticed that where MyHeritage once had me as just 80% Greek it now expanded it to include south Italy. My full blood sister has 22.8% Balkans, 4.4% Iberian, 6.2% West Asian (I got 1% Nigerian) and the rest is Greek and South Italy. She has dark hair and dark eyes unlike the females on my maternal side of the family. I know it is random what is passed down but still fascinating.

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    Your results look typical and in line with your known ancestry.

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    Thank you. That is actually reassuring. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by inanna1111 View Post
    I hope this is the right subforum. If not maybe someone could move it for me.



    I don't usually respond to my own posts but Mytrueancestry got me thinking about my other ancient ancestry results from Geno 2.0 as well as my ancestry from My Heritage and Ancestry DNA. I found this forum after I paid for the above . I wanted to find out how well it correlates with other ancestry results and what I know of my family. I don't know if the novelty of this has worn off now for some of you but I will put it here in case someone has some insights to offer.

    On my mother's side, my family has lived in Karpenisi for generations. My grandfather comes from a village that my mother says only had about 100 residents when she was a child. Google now puts it somewhere between 100-200. Her mother is from the Village of Fourna which only has about 625 residents, from a recent google search. Probably less when my grandmother moved away to live with my grandfather. I doubt many of these people are doing dna tests which makes it hard to find any live matches to ask. On my mother's side the women in her maternal line all had blonde hair and blue eys which apparently has skipped me for some reason as I didn't get the blue eyes. I have heard some say this is impossible for Greeks but I assure them we are Greeks going back as far as word or mouth and lands passed down for generations goes. My DNA and my mother's confirms this as she got even higher % of Greek on her test than I did . Not sure if the eyes and hair are all that relevant but thought I would mention it.

    What I know about my father is that his family has Greek, Arvanite and some more recent Albanian ancestry. One of his parents is Greek and the other has both Arvanite and recent Albanian ancestry. For some reason when I mention this to American Greeks this is controversial which I do not understand. My mother only acknowledged he is half Albanian after I took a DNA test. I grew up thinking both of them were Greek. I feel a bit cheated for not being told, at least when I was older. I understand my mother wanted me to fully embrace my Greek heritage but still... I felt bit of an alien my whole life, as if I knew something was off.

    I was born in Lamia. I lived with my parents in Malesina as a small child. I moved with my mother to the USA a few years later.

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    MATERNAL LINE
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    Your maternal haplogroup is shared by <0.1% of all participants in the project

    "My Maternal Lineage Began About 150,000 Years Ago.
    My maternal ancestors carried farming culture from the region of the Fertile Crescent into Europe. This revolutionized not only the way food was grown but introduced a shift from a nomadic lifestyle to a settled one. Changes to tools, pottery, and weapons may not otherwise have been possible. Thus, my cousins have played an important role in the history of the Fertile Crescent region and of Europe."

    Your Regional Ancestry
    (500 Years - 10,000 Years Ago)

    I Am
    52% Southern Europe
    31% Asia Minor
    15% Eastern Europe
    2% Jewish Diaspora

    Your First Reference Population: Greek

    This reference population is based on native populations from Greece. The large Southern European and Asia Minor components reflect the strong influence of agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East, who arrived here more than 10,000 years ago. The smaller Eastern European component likely comes from the pre-agricultural population of Europe. Today, this component predominates in northern European populations, while the Mediterranean component is more common in southern Europe.

    Your Second Reference Population: Iberian (Spain & Portugal)

    This reference population is based on groups native to Iberia, the peninsula of Spain and Portugal. The large Southern Europe component reflects the strong influence of agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East who arrived here some 10,000 years ago. While the Western European and Great Britain and Ireland components likely come from mixture with neighboring groups with genetic links to the pre-agricultural population of Europe—the earlier settlers. The North African component reflects the historic migration of populations north across the Strait of Gibraltar into Iberia in the past 2,000 years.

    NEANDERTHAL
    *Out of a maximum of 5%
    1.0%
    -----

    Ancestry DNA

    Ethnicity Estimate

    Greece & the Balkans 94%
    Greece, Turkey & Albania
    Eastern Europe & Russia 3%
    Italy 3%
    ---

    My Heritage

    Europe 98.9%

    South Europe 83.7%
    Greek and South Italian 80.3%
    Iberian 3.4%

    East Europe 13.9%
    Balkan 13.9%

    Ashkenazi Jewish 1.3%

    West Africa 1.1%
    Nigerian
    1.1%
    ---
    DNA.Land

    West Eurasian 100%
    Balkan 78%
    Includes: Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria and Greek in (2 sites) Greece

    Mediterranean Islander 22% (It has 22% ashkenazi/levantine when I click on the blue under this)
    ---

    I just wonder if all this aligns with Mytrueancestry results and whether I should pay for the highest level for more information. I have no way of finding out anything about my father's side of my family which is unfortunate. We have not heard from him since we moved to the USA. I have no brothers to get Y-DNA from which makes me feel like something in missing and will remain a mystery without the paternal line. I also cannot find anything meaningful related to my mtDNA other than it has been labeled rare by some sites. So that's kind of my story. I used my dna mostly to find out about my health traits before I got interested in ancestry.

    Mytrueancestry also matched me with an Egyptian sample in deep dive which I suppose might be related to the bit of Nigerian shown above in My Heritage? I have not really seen African ancestry on anything else. Most of my friends do not show African on their's.

    tl;dr

    Should I pay for the highest level on the site to see if I can learn more of my father's side or is that unlikely? Could I narrow the paternal line possibilities down at least to figure out what random dna I got from each parent?


    Edit:I just noticed that where MyHeritage once had me as just 80% Greek it now expanded it to include south Italy. My full blood sister has 22.8% Balkans, 4.4% Iberian, 6.2% West Asian (I got 1% Nigerian) and the rest is Greek and South Italy. She has dark hair and dark eyes unlike the females on my maternal side of the family. I know it is random what is passed down but still fascinating.
    It appears that Greeks, Albanians are 75% the same people genetically. Another 25% Greeks have Italian+Anatolian+Middle eastern different from Albanian. Albanians on the other hand have more Balkan (whatever Balkan is) and strangely we get Iberian.( god knows why). Also Northern Macedonia, Bulgaria are 50% the same like Albanians and Greeks. So I personally believe that theory of Pellasgoi makes sense. We were once all Pellasgoi, after Hellenes invaded south who became linguistically Greeks, Illyrians invaded North and we became linguistically Albanians. The theory that Greeks believe that Greek colonies is the cause for Greek DNA among Albanians and others doesn't quite stand the test of Dna. Let say Greeks and Albanians were both under Rome,. Only 18% of Albanians have Italian DNA compared with 40% for Greeks. Keep in mind Albanians were under Rome 150 years longer than Greeks.. Also Greeks and Albanians had the same invaders Romans, Turks, Visigoths, Slavs who have left their DNA among our people. That's why we appear almost one people genetically, two cultures

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    Quote Originally Posted by inanna1111 View Post
    On my mother's side, my family has lived in Karpenisi for generations.
    What I know about my father is that his family has Greek, Arvanite and some more recent Albanian ancestry. One of his parents is Greek and the other has both Arvanite and recent Albanian ancestry. For some reason when I mention this to American Greeks this is controversial which I do not understand. My mother only acknowledged he is half Albanian after I took a DNA test. I grew up thinking both of them were Greek. I feel a bit cheated for not being told, at least when I was older. I understand my mother wanted me to fully embrace my Greek heritage but still... I felt bit of an alien my whole life, as if I knew something was off.
    Hi! I know of a Greek person whose father, also from Karpenisi, had Arvanite ancestry too, so the Arvanite part makes sense. Unfortunately this is a sensitive issue for many people, and knowledge of foreign ancestry is often suppressed. Arvanite and Albanian ancestry, especially in Epirus, Attica and Peloponnese is much more widespread than people from these areas recognize today.

    In any case, if you are looking to get to estimates of Greek vs. Albanian ancestry for yourself, I have to say it is a bit difficult (especially for continental Greek) given all the population movements in the area. Since high-quality Y-DNA testing is not an option, you can try GEDmatch and see where you plot there. There is some overlap but it could be helpful.

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    I'm comparing my own results (Peloponnesian Greek) to yours and you're a little more Aegean shifted based on mytrueancestry modern populations as well as DNA Land. I have Kosovo as my first population (mytrueancestry) you have Greek (with close proximity). Try Gedmatch and we can compare results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    It appears that Greeks, Albanians are 75% the same people genetically. Another 25% Greeks have Italian+Anatolian+Middle eastern different from Albanian. Albanians on the other hand have more Balkan (whatever Balkan is) and strangely we get Iberian.( god knows why). Also Northern Macedonia, Bulgaria are 50% the same like Albanians and Greeks. So I personally believe that theory of Pellasgoi makes sense. We were once all Pellasgoi, after Hellenes invaded south who became linguistically Greeks, Illyrians invaded North and we became linguistically Albanians. The theory that Greeks believe that Greek colonies is the cause for Greek DNA among Albanians and others doesn't quite stand the test of Dna. Let say Greeks and Albanians were both under Rome,. Only 18% of Albanians have Italian DNA compared with 40% for Greeks. Keep in mind Albanians were under Rome 150 years longer than Greeks.. Also Greeks and Albanians had the same invaders Romans, Turks, Visigoths, Slavs who have left their DNA among our people. That's why we appear almost one people genetically, two cultures
    I'm a mainland Greek and have never scored anything other than European on testing sites. No Middle Eastern or Anatolian has appeared. If you're referencing Cretans or Aegean Islanders then yes there is a Levantine component that is most likely post Neolithic. I would say that Tosks are pretty similar to any mainland Greek population with the exception of Eastern Macedonians who may be a bit more Slavic influenced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadworf View Post
    I'm a mainland Greek and have never scored anything other than European on testing sites. No Middle Eastern or Anatolian has appeared. If you're referencing Cretans or Aegean Islanders then yes there is a Levantine component that is most likely post Neolithic. I would say that Tosks are pretty similar to any mainland Greek population with the exception of Eastern Macedonians who may be a bit more Slavic influenced.
    According to Myheretage 89% of Greeks have Greek Dna, which means 11% have not, even they are Greeks and have lived in Greece,. 38% of Greeks have Anatolian, 36 % have Italian DNA, AND 13% middle eastern,. So it could be a person having all of these ancestries, or like you saying you might not have some of them.
    According to myHeretage 86% of Albanians have Greek Dna, 18% Italian, 12% Iberic and I FORGOT HOW MUCH BALLKANIC. It could be other heritages in low percentages like Anatolian maybe 5%. Tosk Albanians have at least 30% Slavic and Gothic Dna according to an Albanian Dna website, in a sample of 500.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    Tosk Albanians have at least 30% Slavic and Gothic Dna according to an Albanian Dna website, in a sample of 500.
    Which website is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ownstyler View Post
    Which website is that?

    Its in Albanian: "Gjenetika Shqiptare". Its a pie chart very well designed. With Slavic I mean haplogroup I2a the slavic clade, some of R1a and with Gothic I1 and some of I2a2a

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    Awesome! :)

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    Upload your raw data on gedmatch. You will get many information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    It appears that Greeks, Albanians are 75% the same people genetically. Another 25% Greeks have Italian+Anatolian+Middle eastern different from Albanian. Albanians on the other hand have more Balkan (whatever Balkan is) and strangely we get Iberian.( god knows why). Also Northern Macedonia, Bulgaria are 50% the same like Albanians and Greeks. So I personally believe that theory of Pellasgoi makes sense. We were once all Pellasgoi, after Hellenes invaded south who became linguistically Greeks, Illyrians invaded North and we became linguistically Albanians. The theory that Greeks believe that Greek colonies is the cause for Greek DNA among Albanians and others doesn't quite stand the test of Dna. Let say Greeks and Albanians were both under Rome,. Only 18% of Albanians have Italian DNA compared with 40% for Greeks. Keep in mind Albanians were under Rome 150 years longer than Greeks.. Also Greeks and Albanians had the same invaders Romans, Turks, Visigoths, Slavs who have left their DNA among our people. That's why we appear almost one people genetically, two cultures
    I am just starting to get into ancient history again. So much to learn about my own family history and few people I can ask. I do need some starting points since it is like jumping in the middle of the ocean not knowing which way to swim right now. I did study it a bit but mostly in the form of mythology. I will look into the theory you mention. I am more motivated now with my dna results to find real connections.

    A funny thing is that Americans often ask me if I am Spanish or similar. When I go to a new Greek community they stare at me like they are trying to figure it out. I have had Greek strangers at a store, or other places, just come up and ask if I am Greek. I guess they suspect and just have to know. :) Never been asked if I am Albanian but I imagine people here do not think of that. Sometimes people say I look Slavic. Never been mistaken for Italian but my sister has even though she inherited more Balkan than I did according to MyHeritage. We both got low on Italian according to Ancestry DNA. Thank you for the information.

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    Ownstyler,

    I responded to you but for some reason it is waiting for approval. I have to get used to how this forum works since it is different from forums I mod. I am not sure if you will see this but just wanted to let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    According to Myheretage 89% of Greeks have Greek Dna, which means 11% have not, even they are Greeks and have lived in Greece,. 38% of Greeks have Anatolian, 36 % have Italian DNA, AND 13% middle eastern,. So it could be a person having all of these ancestries, or like you saying you might not have some of them.
    According to myHeretage 86% of Albanians have Greek Dna, 18% Italian, 12% Iberic and I FORGOT HOW MUCH BALLKANIC. It could be other heritages in low percentages like Anatolian maybe 5%. Tosk Albanians have at least 30% Slavic and Gothic Dna according to an Albanian Dna website, in a sample of 500.


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    Quote Originally Posted by matadworf View Post
    I'm comparing my own results (Peloponnesian Greek) to yours and you're a little more Aegean shifted based on mytrueancestry modern populations as well as DNA Land. I have Kosovo as my first population (mytrueancestry) you have Greek (with close proximity). Try Gedmatch and we can compare results.
    So, I went ahead and paid for the next level up on Mytrueancestry (their business model can be irresistible. I will have to keep it in mind for future business models) lol) . Now it is a bit more interesting since I can compare more family kits and it got a bit more specific, :) I am not sure how to use gedmatch properly since there are so many calculators.. I am willing to send my kit number in pm to anyone who wants to compare since I might learn something from those who are more familiar with interpreting results.

    I don't even know what to do with all this new Mytrueancestry information yet but I imagine I will spend the day searching it out. Thank you for your response. Gives me more to think about.

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
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    1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.19 - SZ36
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    2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71 - SZ43
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    Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate 1050 AD

    I7499

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    Carthaginian Roman 275 BC

    I8204

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    JK2888

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    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    Upload your raw data on gedmatch. You will get many information.
    Thanks, I am going to use it more after I read a bit more on interpreting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Nga i gjen keto xhevahire pash Zotin.


    [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.6)]The percentages represent the portion of MyHeritage DNA users in Albania who have that ethnicity.[/COLOR]
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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Nga i gjen keto xhevahire pash Zotin.
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...LL9_5yJ6FgSwpA

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    Quote Originally Posted by inanna1111 View Post
    Thanks, I am going to use it more after I read a bit more on interpreting.
    I am curious to see your reults. I could help you to interpret them if you have any questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    Its in Albanian: "Gjenetika Shqiptare". Its a pie chart very well designed. With Slavic I mean haplogroup I2a the slavic clade, some of R1a and with Gothic I1 and some of I2a2a
    I thought you had found another one :). The Tosk sample is actually close to 300. Anyway this is Y-DNA lines; autosomal DNA might be a bit different. Ausotomally, there could be a higher input from Neolithic Balkan peoples and lower one from Medieval arrivals. It is true that Albanians and Greeks share some ancestral components.

    Quote Originally Posted by inanna1111 View Post
    I responded to you but for some reason it is waiting for approval. I have to get used to how this forum works since it is different from forums I mod. I am not sure if you will see this but just wanted to let you know.
    Yeah I cannot see it for some reason. Anyway, hope it helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    I asked you about this:
    Tosk Albanians have at least 30% Slavic and Gothic Dna according to an Albanian Dna website, in a sample of 500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    I am curious to see your reults. I could help you to interpret them if you have any questions.
    Cool, that would be great. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ownstyler View Post
    Yeah I cannot see it for some reason. Anyway, hope it helped.
    I am not sure what I said in my reply that may need mod approval as I wrote it in a stream of thought but yes it was helpful and made me think about some things. :)

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