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    J1-ysc235

    According to FTDNA my haplogroup is J1-YSC235 (negative for everything else after it)!
    First I thought that my ancestor was arab because they were here for almost 800 years (Portugal) but Maciamo says that only FGC12 subclade is linked to the propagation of islam and the arabic language from Saudi Arabia from the 7th century (CE).
    Can you guys help me? How did my ancestor ended up here? Was he a farmer from the late neolithic? A jew maybe? Or maybe a soldier from the roman empire?
    My admixture:
    Iberian 46%
    British Isles 29%
    Southeast Europe 17%
    North Africa 6%
    East Central Africa <2%
    East Europe <1%
    My DYS388 as a value of 15 and YCAII 22-22

    Btw, the admin of FTDNA J1 project has placed me under the Z27682 clade.
    Last edited by luispaulo53; 11-09-19 at 12:28.

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    Hi Luis, I suppose you've already seen this

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z2317/

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    Your ancient male paternal ancestor must be an Alan.

    The Alans were a people of Iranian origin in northeastern Caucasus, between the Don River and the Caspian Sea. They punctuated among the peoples who penetrated the late Roman Empire during the period of migrations of the barbarian peoples, migrating westward in the IV-V centuries.


    In 460, the Huns destroyed their empire, forcing many to cross Europe to the Iberian Peninsula (in 609). In this migration, they eventually joined the suevi and the vandals that simultaneously occupied with them the Hispania.


    The Alans settled in the Iberian Peninsula and, led by Atax, founded a kingdom in Lusitania, based in Pax Julia, the present-day city of Beja, Portugal. The city was destroyed in 418, forcing the Alans to move to North Africa where under Kings Gunderico and Genserico, founded the Kingdom of Vandals and Alans, that would be extinguished in century VI, with the Byzantine domination.


    The Alans were an Iranian nomadic group among the Sarmatian peoples, war-ready nomadic shepherds of diverse backgrounds, who spoke an Iranian language and shared in a broad sense a common culture.

    See:


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans

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    https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alanos

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    Most J1 is arab in origin, some moved out to find new life, some moved out as conquerers and some stayed

    That 6% north African and 2% East African points to an ancestor from that region but some of it could also be from the mothers side because 6-8% seems high, what is the average amount in Portugal?

    It could also be a more recent migration instead of directly from early Arab conquests since there is also J1 in Morocco, Tunisia, Spain and other countries below Portugal due to that previous period
    Last edited by ShpataEMadhe; 07-11-19 at 17:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luispaulo53 View Post
    Btw, the admin of FTDNA J1 project has placed me under the Z27682 clade.





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    My big Y results are here!! My haplogroup is indeed J-Z27682!
    I still have no clue how the hell my ancestor got here. The only thing I know for sure (right?) is that he was not arab or jew. Can you guys help me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luispaulo53 View Post
    My big Y results are here!! My haplogroup is indeed J-Z27682!
    I still have no clue how the hell my ancestor got here. The only thing I know for sure (right?) is that he was not arab or jew. Can you guys help me?
    Congratulations!
    If your J1 ancestor came 1000 or much more years ago from outside Europe, you have no way of knowing. We don't know either.

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